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In gaming, a '''tier list''' is a list that ranks all [[character]]s in a game based on the strength of their fighting abilities, as well as their potential to win matches under [[tournament legal|tournament]] conditions, assuming players are of equal skill. Tier lists are most commonly made for fighting games that are played at a high [[competitive]] level, though games with large character pools, such as the {{uv|Pokémon}} series, can also have their [[bulbapedia:Tiers|own tier lists]].
In gaming, a '''tier list''' is a list that ranks all [[character]]s in a game based on the strength of their fighting abilities, as well as their potential to win matches under [[tournament legal|tournament]] conditions, assuming players are of equal skill. Tier lists are most commonly made for fighting games that are played at a high [[competitive]] level, though games with large character pools, such as the {{uv|Pokémon}} series, can also have their [[bulbapedia:Tiers|own tier lists]].


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===The character's tournament results===
===The character's tournament results===
In general, higher tournament results for characters yields higher tier placings, as winning major tournaments implies that a character has more tools to compete, and thus, a deeper metagame. The top characters in all four tier lists have all maintained large playerbases and excellent results in tournaments, while characters directly below them also generally perform well or have large playerbases. Top-tiered characters are also most often used by the game's top players; the top players on the [[SSBMRank]], [[SSBBRank]], [[Panda Global Rankings]], and other [[power ranking]]s are most often seen using top-tiered and high-tiered characters. Characters towards the bottom of the tier list, however, generally have smaller playerbases and poorer results, with some low-tiered characters lacking any notable representation in tournaments; {{SSBM|Pichu}}, for instance, currently has very few notable players that exclusively main it, and has never finished in the top 96 of any high-level ''Melee'' tournament.
In general, higher tournament results for characters yield higher tier placings, as winning major tournaments implies that a character has more tools to compete, and thus, a deeper metagame. The top characters in all five tier lists have all maintained large playerbases and excellent results in tournaments, while characters directly below them also generally perform well or have large playerbases. Top-tiered characters are also most often used by the game's top players; the top players on the [[SSBMRank]], [[SSBBRank]], [[Panda Global Rankings]], [[LumiRank]], and other [[power ranking]]s are most often seen using top-tiered and high-tiered characters. Characters towards the bottom of the tier list, however, generally have smaller playerbases and poorer results, with some low-tiered characters lacking any notable representation in tournaments; {{SSBM|Pichu}}, for instance, currently has very few notable players that exclusively main it, and has never finished in the top 96 of any high-level ''Melee'' tournament.


''Smash Bros.'' characters are often placed into different groups of "viability", which rates their potential and empirical ability to perform in tournaments. At the top of this grouping are characters considered to be able to consistently win major tournaments. In ''Melee'', this list generally includes four characters: {{SSBM|Fox}}, {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}}, {{SSBM|Marth}}, and {{SSBM|Falco}}, all of whom have been able to consistently able to win large tournaments against a variety of opponents. Below these four are the characters who are considered to have the potential to win a major, but have one or more especially problematic matchups which makes this much more difficult. This grouping includes {{SSBM|Sheik}}, {{SSBM|Captain Falcon}}, {{SSBM|Peach}}, {{SSBM|Ice Climbers}}, {{SSBM|Pikachu}}, {{SSBM|Yoshi}}, and {{SSBM|Samus}} (the lower end of this list is subject to significant debate). It is acknowledged that a player winning a major with one of these characters is usually the result of a favorable bracket or a player using [[counterpick]] characters against their most troublesome matchups. For example, although Peach saw large amounts of tournament success under {{Sm|Armada}}, he switched to his secondary characters when facing {{Sm|Hungrybox}}'s Jigglypuff, against whom he was unable to take a single game off of as Peach. Most of solo Peach's tournament victories have come when Armada avoided Hungrybox in the bracket. Sheik, despite being considered top tier for much of the game's competitive lifespan, had never won a major tournament as a solo main until {{Trn|GENESIS 9}} in 2023, as Sheik players, such as {{Sm|Mew2King}} and {{Sm|Plup}}, have always switched to counterpick characters against certain matchups and players, such as Jigglypuff. Conversely, although Pikachu has won a major earlier (when {{Sm|Axe}} placed first at {{Trn|Smash Summit 8}}), Pikachu still remains lower-tiered than Sheik, as Pikachu's matchup spread against the other top tiers is considered worse than Sheik's. Sheik has had more sustained top 8 success, while Axe's tournament results have been less consistent.
''Smash Bros.'' characters are often placed into different groups of "viability", which rates their potential and empirical ability to perform in tournaments. At the top of this grouping are characters considered to be able to consistently win major tournaments. In ''Melee'', this list generally includes four characters: {{SSBM|Fox}}, {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}}, {{SSBM|Marth}}, and {{SSBM|Falco}}, all of whom have been able to consistently able to win large tournaments against a variety of opponents. Below these four are the characters who are considered to have the potential to win a major, but have one or more especially problematic matchups which makes this much more difficult. This grouping includes {{SSBM|Sheik}}, {{SSBM|Captain Falcon}}, {{SSBM|Peach}}, {{SSBM|Ice Climbers}}, {{SSBM|Pikachu}}, {{SSBM|Yoshi}}, and {{SSBM|Samus}} (the lower end of this list is subject to significant debate). It is acknowledged that a player winning a major with one of these characters is usually the result of a favorable bracket or a player using [[counterpick]] characters against their most troublesome matchups. For example, although Peach saw large amounts of tournament success under {{Sm|Armada}}, he switched to his secondary characters when facing {{Sm|Hungrybox}}'s Jigglypuff, against whom he was unable to take a single game off of as Peach. Most of solo Peach's tournament victories have come when Armada avoided Hungrybox in the bracket. Sheik, despite being considered top tier for much of the game's competitive lifespan, had never won a major tournament as a solo main until {{Trn|GENESIS 9}} in 2023, as Sheik players, such as {{Sm|Mew2King}} and {{Sm|Plup}}, have always switched to counterpick characters against certain matchups and players, such as Jigglypuff. Conversely, although Pikachu has won a major earlier (when {{Sm|Axe}} placed first at {{Trn|Smash Summit 8}}), Pikachu still remains lower-tiered than Sheik, as Pikachu's matchup spread against the other top tiers is considered worse than Sheik's. Sheik has had more sustained top 8 success, while Axe's tournament results have been less consistent.
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Furthermore, an increase in results for a character can lead to a higher tier standing, as improvements to results can be attributed to metagame changes either in the entirety of the metagame or for an individual character. Characters such as {{SSBM|Pikachu}} and {{SSBM|Yoshi}} in ''Melee'' or {{SSBB|Ike}} and {{SSBB|Sonic}} in ''Brawl'' saw improvements in tier standing due to players discovering new techniques or applications for the character, yielding deeper individual metagames that could stand up in the general metagame; Ike players such as {{Sm|San}}, for instance, demonstrated that the character had a surprisingly powerful aerial game, alongside an extremely powerful and flexible [[jab]] that demonstrated Ike's neutral game was not as slow or unsafe as previously thought.  
Furthermore, an increase in results for a character can lead to a higher tier standing, as improvements to results can be attributed to metagame changes either in the entirety of the metagame or for an individual character. Characters such as {{SSBM|Pikachu}} and {{SSBM|Yoshi}} in ''Melee'' or {{SSBB|Ike}} and {{SSBB|Sonic}} in ''Brawl'' saw improvements in tier standing due to players discovering new techniques or applications for the character, yielding deeper individual metagames that could stand up in the general metagame; Ike players such as {{Sm|San}}, for instance, demonstrated that the character had a surprisingly powerful aerial game, alongside an extremely powerful and flexible [[jab]] that demonstrated Ike's neutral game was not as slow or unsafe as previously thought.  


Conversely, a drop in notable tournament results can result in a character falling on the tier list. For example, in ''Melee'', {{Sm|Shroomed}} was widely considered a top ten player in the world from 2011 to 2013 while using {{SSBM|Dr. Mario}}, who was seen as a borderline viable character, ranked 9th on the tier list during that time. However, starting in 2014, Shroomed dropped Dr. Mario in favor of Sheik, which has left Dr. Mario with a major lack of tournament results since. No other Dr. Mario player has been able to achieve remotely similar results compared to Shroomed; the next best representative in modern ''Melee'' has been {{Sm|Franz}}, who is only ranked in the middle of the Top 100. As a result, Dr. Mario has since fallen on the tier list, and most top players consider him to be lower-ranked than Yoshi (even lower than his 11th ranking on the 2015 Smash Back Room tier list). However, it is unclear whether Dr. Mario is truly less tournament viable than characters like Yoshi and Pikachu, or if there are just not enough tournament results and metagame presence to generate a meaningful comparison between these characters.
Conversely, a drop in notable tournament results can result in a character falling on the tier list. For example, in ''Melee'', {{Sm|Shroomed}} was widely considered a top ten player in the world from 2011 to 2013 while using {{SSBM|Dr. Mario}}, who was seen as a borderline viable character, ranked 9th on the tier list during that time. However, starting in 2014, Shroomed dropped Dr. Mario in favor of Sheik, which has left Dr. Mario with a major lack of tournament results since. No other Dr. Mario player has been able to achieve remotely similar results compared to Shroomed; the next best representative in modern ''Melee'' has been {{Sm|Franz}}, who has only been ranked at the lower end or in the middle of the Top 100. As a result, Dr. Mario has since fallen on the tier list, and most top players consider him to be lower-ranked than Yoshi (even lower than his 11th ranking on the 2015 Smash Back Room tier list). However, it is unclear whether Dr. Mario is truly less tournament viable than characters like Yoshi and Pikachu, or if there are just not enough tournament results and metagame presence to generate a meaningful comparison between these characters.


That said, tournament results do not necessarily equate to higher or lower tier standings, nor do larger playerbases yield higher tier standings. In ''Melee'', {{SSBM|Yoshi}} has attained a large amount success at large tournaments, having appeared in the top 32 of several major international tournaments; the character's success, however, has primarily been buoyed by {{sm|aMSa}}, and as such, Yoshi only ranks 10th in a pool of 26 characters despite his incredible potential. Similarly, in ''Brawl'', {{Sm|Salem}}'s surprise victory with {{SSBB|Zero Suit Samus}} at [[Apex 2013]] did not move her into the top tiers. While Salem used Zero Suit Samus's [[Power Suit Piece]]s to a level that was never seen before, his victory has been attributed to a lack of matchup experience from his opponents, rather than Zero Suit Samus being one of the best characters in the game. This was supported by the fact that Salem was unable to replicate his Apex 2013 level of dominance, failing to place in the top eight of any ''Brawl'' major before the release of ''Smash 4''. As such, Zero Suit Samus remained a high-tier character following Salem's victory, since she was still considered less competitively viable than the characters above her.
That said, tournament results do not necessarily equate to higher or lower tier standings, nor do larger playerbases yield higher tier standings. In ''Melee'', {{SSBM|Yoshi}} has attained a large amount success at large tournaments, having appeared in the top 32 of several major international tournaments; the character's success, however, has primarily been buoyed by {{sm|aMSa}}, and as such, Yoshi only ranks 10th in a pool of 26 characters despite his incredible potential. Similarly, in ''Brawl'', {{Sm|Salem}}'s surprise victory with {{SSBB|Zero Suit Samus}} at [[Apex 2013]] did not move her into the top tiers. While Salem used Zero Suit Samus's [[Power Suit Piece]]s to a level that was never seen before, his victory has been attributed to a lack of matchup experience from his opponents, rather than Zero Suit Samus being one of the best characters in the game. This was supported by the fact that Salem was unable to replicate his Apex 2013 level of dominance, failing to place in the top eight of any other ''Brawl'' major before the release of ''Smash 4''. As such, Zero Suit Samus remained a high-tier character following Salem's victory, since she was still considered less competitively viable than the characters above her.
 
It should be noted that tournament results are not necessarily the same as tournament representation or popularity. While a general rule of thumb is that high tier characters will be more common in tournaments due to players naturally wanting as many advantages as possible, exceptions to this have existed throughout the competitive history of the ''Smash'' series. Some characters that are otherwise considered low-tier may have a single powerful tool that gives them good matchups and thus are not an uncommon sight in tournaments, such as {{SSB|Donkey Kong}} in ''Smash 64'' or {{SSBU|King K. Rool}} in ''Ultimate''. Other characters have been considered high-tier, but incredibly difficult to use and not considered worth learning, leading to low tournament representation relative to their tier list position, such as [[Pikachu]] in every game except ''Smash 64''.


==''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'' tier list==
==''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'' tier list==
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{{for|the Japanese ''Brawl'' tier list|Japanese tier list}}
{{for|the Japanese ''Brawl'' tier list|Japanese tier list}}
{{for|the post-''Brawl'' community tier list|Post-Brawl community tier list}}
{{for|the post-''Brawl'' community tier list|Post-Brawl community tier list}}
The following is the eighth ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' tier list produced by the Smash Back Room. It was last updated on April 25th, 2013. <ref>http://smashboards.com/threads/official-swf-tier-list-v8.335959/</ref>
The following is the eighth ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' tier list produced by the Smash Back Room. Zelda and Sheik were voted both as individuals, with a third option representing them as a single character. Zero Suit Samus is separated from Samus due to their primary method of transformation being banned Final Smashes, while Pokémon Trainer was voted as just the team due to his stamina mechanic. It was last updated on April 25th, 2013. <ref>http://smashboards.com/threads/official-swf-tier-list-v8.335959/</ref>
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{{for|a list of all ''Smash 4'' tier lists|List of SSB4 tier lists}}
{{for|a list of all ''Smash 4'' tier lists|List of SSB4 tier lists}}
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The following is the fourth ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'' tier list produced by the Smash Back Room. It was last updated on December 11th, 2017, and reflects version [[List of updates (SSB4-3DS)#1.1.7|1.1.7]] of the game.<ref>https://smashboards.com/threads/4br-smash-for-wii-u-tier-list-v4.452109/</ref> Pit and Dark Pit were voted on as the same character, while Mii Fighters were excluded entirely. [[Character customization]] was not taken into account due to their collective ban since [[EVO 2015]].
The following is the fourth ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'' tier list produced by the Smash Back Room. It was last updated on December 11th, 2017, and reflects version [[List of updates (SSB4-3DS)#1.1.7|1.1.7]] of the game.<ref>https://smashboards.com/threads/4br-smash-for-wii-u-tier-list-v4.452109/</ref> Pit and Dark Pit were voted on as the same character, while Mii Fighters were excluded entirely. [[Character customization]] was not taken into account due to their collective ban since [[EVO 2015]]. Characters who differed by less than 0.1 in average score were considered to be tied in placement. The tiers in this list were split into groups: Top (S,A); High (B,C); Middle (D, E); Low (F, G).
The tiers in this list were split into groups: Top (S,A); High (B,C); Middle (D, E); Low (F, G)
 
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==''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' tier list==
==''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' tier list==
{{for|a list of all ''Ultimate'' tier lists|List of SSBU tier lists}}
{{for|a list of all ''Ultimate'' tier lists|List of SSBU tier lists}}
The following is the first ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' tier list, created by [[UltRank]], and released on February 24th, 2023.<ref>[https://twitter.com/UltRankSSB/status/1629218378182279168]</ref> {{SSBU|Pokémon Trainer}} was voted as the entire team instead of individually, as were {{SSBU|Pyra}} and {{SSBU|Mythra}}. Miis were ranked, unlike the last ''SSB4'' tier list. Additionally, the following [[Echo Fighter]] pairs were voted together: {{SSBU|Peach}} and {{SSBU|Daisy}}, {{SSBU|Simon}} and {{SSBU|Richter}}, {{SSBU|Samus}} and {{SSBU|Dark Samus}}, and {{SSBU|Pit}} and {{SSBU|Dark Pit}}.
The following is the most recent ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' tier list, created by [[LumiRank]], and released on February 15th, 2024.<ref>[https://twitter.com/LumiRank/status/1758177004824695106]</ref> {{SSBU|Pokémon Trainer}} was voted as the entire team instead of individually, as were {{SSBU|Pyra}} and {{SSBU|Mythra}}. Miis were ranked, unlike the last ''SSB4'' tier list. Additionally, the following [[Echo Fighter]] pairs were voted together due to their lack of significant differences: {{SSBU|Peach}} and {{SSBU|Daisy}}, {{SSBU|Simon}} and {{SSBU|Richter}}, {{SSBU|Samus}} and {{SSBU|Dark Samus}}, and {{SSBU|Pit}} and {{SSBU|Dark Pit}}. Tiers ranged from A to E, however the tiers were not explicitly defined.


The voting process for this tier list differs from those from previous games. Rather than taking an average of panelists' opinions of a character's overall ranking, panelists were asked to rate characters from 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest and 1 being the lowest. Panelists were also asked to give an ordered list of their Top 5 characters, and after panelist responses were normalized, their Top 5 would be scored from as 10.X (from 10.5 to 10.1). Each character's highest and lowest 3 responses were then removed.
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{{UltimateTiers}}
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==Existence of tiers==
==Existence of tiers==
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It is a common opinion among new or casual players of a fighting game that all the characters in the series are equal and have the same amount of potential. These players believe that the inherent strengths and weaknesses of characters balance them out, thus eliminating the need for tiers. However, the consensus of competitive players and knowledgeable spectators is that tiers do exist. In reality, it would be almost impossible for developers to balance a game of unique characters, because the differing properties of each character produce a large number of variables that cannot be constantly monitored and modified on the spot for the purpose of perfect balance. Thus, developers may not be able to foresee top level strategies before their game's release date, and even deliberate efforts (i.e. updates to ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'') will not perfectly balance a game at a professional level. Furthermore, [[Masahiro Sakurai]] did not solely intend for the ''Smash'' games to be played at high competitive levels under tournament rulesets, which are what tiers are based off of, and his idea of balancing may have been different from that of other competitive games.  
It is a common opinion among new or casual players of a fighting game that all the characters in the series are equal and have the same amount of potential. These players believe that the inherent strengths and weaknesses of characters balance them out, thus eliminating the need for tiers. However, the consensus of competitive players and knowledgeable spectators is that tiers do exist. In reality, it would be almost impossible for developers to balance a game of unique characters, because the differing properties of each character produce a large number of variables that cannot be constantly monitored and modified on the spot for the purpose of perfect balance. Thus, developers may not be able to foresee top level strategies before their game's release date, and even deliberate efforts (i.e. updates to ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'') will not perfectly balance a game at a professional level. Furthermore, [[Masahiro Sakurai]] did not solely intend for the ''Smash'' games to be played at high competitive levels under tournament rulesets, which are what tiers are based off of, and his idea of balancing may have been different from that of other competitive games.  


The main disadvantage to having a tier list is that it may eventually become outdated or obsolete as a metagame progresses, or when new characters are introduced and updates bring gameplay-altering changes. Additionally, tier lists that are not based solely on statistics and community results will almost always contain some bias based on the experiences and opinions of the tier list maker. In casual play, the tier list is basically useless, as items, stage hazards and Final Smashes skew the game balance. For example, {{SSBB|Sonic}}’s speed and powerful Final Smash make him a better user of items.
The main disadvantage to having a tier list is that it may eventually become outdated or obsolete as a metagame progresses, or when new characters are introduced and updates bring gameplay-altering changes. Additionally, tier lists that are not based solely on statistics and community results will always contain some bias based on the experiences and opinions of the tier list maker. In casual play, the tier list is basically useless, as items, stage hazards and Final Smashes skew the game balance. For example, {{SSBB|Sonic}}’s speed and powerful Final Smash make him a better user of items.


[[Power rankings]] have suggested that the best ''Smash'' players generally use high-tiered characters, with only a handful of outliers; even then, for example, {{Sm|Plup}}, who mained {{SSBM|Samus}}, eventually switched to a higher-tiered character in {{SSBM|Sheik}}, and was ranked higher than in [[2014 SSBMRank|the previous rankings]], while {{Sm|Axe}}, despite continuing to use his lower-tiered main {{SSBM|Pikachu}}, has picked up one or several top tier secondary characters. In ''Melee'', {{Sm|Armada}}, despite being considered the best player in the world for much of ''Melee''{{'}}s history, had to pick up a stronger character in {{SSBM|Fox}} in order to overcome his {{SSBM|Peach}}'s matchup issues against other top players like {{Sm|Hungrybox}} and {{Sm|Leffen}}. For ''Brawl'', {{Sm|Vinnie}} switched from {{SSBB|Mr. Game & Watch}} to the {{SSBB|Ice Climbers}} and immediately saw better results, eventually being ranked 9th in the [[2014 SSBBRank]], and a large amount of the players on said power rankings have a secondary or pocket {{SSBB|Meta Knight}} if they do not main him. Despite being touted as the best {{SSB4|Bowser Jr.}} player in the world, {{Sm|Tweek}} dropped him in favor of {{SSB4|Cloud}}, who he perceived to be a better choice in becoming the best ''Smash 4'' player, and following the switch, he would become one of the best ''Smash 4'' players in the world, eventually being considered the second best on the [[PGR v5|fifth PGR]]. There was also a noticeable trend of players picking up {{SSB4|Bayonetta}} and performing far better than they ever did with their prior main, up to the top level at majors, with some of the most standout examples being {{Sm|Salem}}, {{Sm|Captain Zack}}, {{Sm|Mistake}}, and {{Sm|Lima}}. Generally, after patch [[1.1.5]], a multitude of both Cloud and Bayonetta mains emerged.
[[Power rankings]] have suggested that the best ''Smash'' players generally use high-tiered characters, with only a handful of outliers; even then, for example, {{Sm|Plup}}, who mained {{SSBM|Samus}}, eventually switched to a higher-tiered character in {{SSBM|Sheik}}, and was ranked higher than in [[2014 SSBMRank|the previous rankings]], while {{Sm|Axe}}, despite continuing to use his lower-tiered main {{SSBM|Pikachu}}, has picked up one or several top tier secondary characters. In ''Melee'', {{Sm|Armada}}, despite being considered the best player in the world for much of ''Melee''{{'}}s history, had to pick up a stronger character in {{SSBM|Fox}} in order to overcome his {{SSBM|Peach}}'s matchup issues against other top players like {{Sm|Hungrybox}} and {{Sm|Leffen}}. For ''Brawl'', {{Sm|Vinnie}} switched from {{SSBB|Mr. Game & Watch}} to the {{SSBB|Ice Climbers}} and immediately saw better results, eventually being ranked 9th in the [[2014 SSBBRank]], and a large amount of the players on said power rankings have a secondary or pocket {{SSBB|Meta Knight}} if they do not main him. Despite being touted as the best {{SSB4|Bowser Jr.}} player in the world, {{Sm|Tweek}} dropped him in favor of {{SSB4|Cloud}}, who he perceived to be a better choice in becoming the best ''Smash 4'' player, and following the switch, he would become one of the best ''Smash 4'' players in the world, eventually being considered the second best on the [[PGR v5|fifth PGR]]. There was also a noticeable trend of players picking up {{SSB4|Bayonetta}} and performing far better than they ever did with their prior main, up to the top level at majors, with some of the most standout examples being {{Sm|Salem}}, {{Sm|Captain Zack}}, {{Sm|Mistake}}, and {{Sm|Lima}}. Generally, after patch [[1.1.5]], a multitude of both Cloud and Bayonetta mains emerged.