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:::Won't that vary from one tournament from another ? The point of the page is to have kind of a common ground, otherwise, it will end up being a page with a different list for each event, won't it ? Anyway, I'm nowhere near being a competitive player, I was just using the page to make a ruleset for my 1v1 serious matches, and ended up completing it with the what seemed to be the most obvious to me. Now people who know better can finish the job by making small editions (I have no idea what the 4 tildes will do, but I will try right away) [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 11:39, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:::Won't that vary from one tournament from another ? The point of the page is to have kind of a common ground, otherwise, it will end up being a page with a different list for each event, won't it ? Anyway, I'm nowhere near being a competitive player, I was just using the page to make a ruleset for my 1v1 serious matches, and ended up completing it with the what seemed to be the most obvious to me. Now people who know better can finish the job by making small editions (I have no idea what the 4 tildes will do, but I will try right away) [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 11:39, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:::I have thought about it a bit since and I think there is a problem here : first, you told me that it's tournament ruleset and that's it, but if so, why some stage have a double status while only one tournament is referenced so far ? WarioWare is Banned/Starter, but the only tournament referenced is Smashadelphia, where WarioWare was a Starter, so where does the Banned part come from ? Also, due to the Stage Hazards Toggle, I think the page will end up having a problem : to keep the list short, tournament list will keep some viable stage out, and sooner or later, the list will probably end up mostly with stage that are either "varies" or "banned", and at this point, it will make the whole list useless (what's the informative value of "varies" ?). Shouldn't the people who work on this wiki start to think about a rule like "If the stage is a starter in at least X % of tournaments, then it's a starter, otherwise if it's a conterpick in at least Y % of the tournaments, then it's a counterpick, overwise it's banned" (and if two similar stages end up being both legal because of such a rule, you can still add a footnote "Those two stage a commonly considered legal but are never both allowed in the same tournament for they are too similar"). Just some input from a random user [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 05:12, 25 December 2018 (EST)
:::I have thought about it a bit since and I think there is a problem here : first, you told me that it's tournament ruleset and that's it, but if so, why some stage have a double status while only one tournament is referenced so far ? WarioWare is Banned/Starter, but the only tournament referenced is Smashadelphia, where WarioWare was a Starter, so where does the Banned part come from ? Also, due to the Stage Hazards Toggle, I think the page will end up having a problem : to keep the list short, tournament list will keep some viable stage out, and sooner or later, the list will probably end up mostly with stage that are either "varies" or "banned", and at this point, it will make the whole list useless (what's the informative value of "varies" ?). Shouldn't the people who work on this wiki start to think about a rule like "If the stage is a starter in at least X % of tournaments, then it's a starter, otherwise if it's a conterpick in at least Y % of the tournaments, then it's a counterpick, overwise it's banned" (and if two similar stages end up being both legal because of such a rule, you can still add a footnote "Those two stage a commonly considered legal but are never both allowed in the same tournament for they are too similar"). Just some input from a random user [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 05:12, 25 December 2018 (EST)
::::If you look at the recent big tournaments, it looks like the 5 starter and 3 counterpick stages will probably become the standard. [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 11:48, 28 December 2018 (EST)
:::::OK, I'll let people that are more educated than me on the matter handle it. You'll still have my proposition about how to deal with it if you ever need to. By the way, just another idea, you could also separate "banned" in 2 status if tournaments end up not using the same standard : something like "avoided" (mostly banned but not always) and "banned" (never ever legal in any tournament ever). [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 08:48, 3 January 2019 (EST)
::::::Is there a reason why similar stages are banned and if so, can we have that explanation on the main page? Is it so they don't get double up in random selections? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 09:52, 5 January 2019 (EST)


== Banned Battlefield/Omega Forms ==
== Banned Battlefield/Omega Forms ==


While all BF/FD versions of stages are the same on a functional level, there will be a few that get banned for visual and readability problems. Fountain of Dreams has reflections on all forms so that's gonna cause framerate issues, especially in doubles and Ice Climbers matches. Should we have a list of stages banned in all forms too? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 19:56, 21 December 2018 (EST)
While all BF/FD versions of stages are the same on a functional level, there will be a few that get banned for visual and readability problems. Fountain of Dreams has reflections on all forms so that's gonna cause framerate issues, especially in doubles and Ice Climbers matches. Should we have a list of stages banned in all forms too? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 19:56, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:No, There's no framerate issue for that stage, even on Double. [[User:Trimint123|Trimint123]] ([[User talk:Trimint123|talk]]) 14:05, 10 January 2019 (WIB)
== "Banned/Starter/Counterpick" ==
I noticed that two stages in Ultimate have something along the lines of "Banned/Counterpick/Starter" as their legality status. (Specifically, WarioWare, Inc. and Lylat Cruise.) Shouldn't the legality status be "Varies" or do I not know how tournament picks work? [[User:CardboardLuigi|CardboardLuigi]] ([[User talk:CardboardLuigi|talk]]) 15:07, 11 January 2019 (EST)
:Maybe "Varies" that's used for [[Battlefield Forms]] and [[Ω forms]] is the wrong word and should be changed to "Alternative" or something like that. And for these two stages, if there are no tournaments where they where Counterpicks, "/Counterpick" should be removed otherwise they should get linked. [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 15:28, 11 January 2019 (EST)
== No Hazards' own Stage Legality ==
I was thinking if no hazard may need it's own legally slot so that it's easy to tell which one is required hazard off to be legal and add a reason of why it's legal or not if hazards turn off. [[User:Trimint123|Trimint123]] ([[User talk:Trimint123|talk]]) 13:04, 10 January 2019 (WIB)
== Temporary semi-protection ==
This page might need temporary semi-protection. Too many bad edits of people who don't understand what "stage legality" means.. That it is based on rulesets of competitive tournaments and not by what they consider to be "playable stages"... Don't like reverting it every few days.. [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 18:43, 13 January 2019 (EST)
==What if Smash 6 existed?==
If Smash 6 existed, all stages aside from Battlefield are all banned.
that's my prediction. [[User:Dark3828192|Dark3828192]] ([[User talk:Dark3828192|talk]]) 18:41, July 16, 2023 (EDT)
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