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 :::::::Brawl was closed to DLC. SSB4 is open. Thus we should be treating its DLC the same way we treated any other prerelease content for it. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:53, 28 April 2015 (EDT)
 ::::::: (Edit Conflict) True, True. It is a bit specific, and a bit of a grey area. However, considering that, firstly, inference means a neutral reader may interpret the mention on a mainspace page as recognising it as a verifiable rumor, and, secondly, that the standard of proof, for any wiki, must satisfy some level of certaintly, at least that of, as I said, "Balance Of Probability". (Although I prefer a Majority of Certainty.) As it is new content within the game, it would qualify as new information about SSB4, and as such, falls below NEWGAME. Score[[Special:Contributions/ScoreCounter|C]]o[[User:ScoreCounter|u]]n[[User Talk:ScoreCounter|t]]er 16:57, 28 April 2015 (EDT)
+== Uh... ==
+Why does only Melee show up for Roy's Smash appearances? Both show up for Dr. Mario and Mewtwo... [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 14:49, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
+:It's hardcoded into the Infobox template, which I corrected. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 14:57, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
+== Infobox image ==
+[[File:FEH Roy 01.png|thumb]]
+Isn't the policy for character infobox images to feature the design that most closely matches the character's appearance in ''Smash''?
+While ''Fire Emblem Heroes'' was released after Roy's SSB4 DLC, it is the design that most closely matches his SSB4/SSBU appearance, much more than his ''Awakening'' design. For that reason, regardless of their respective release dates, shouldn't we be using this artwork in his infobox?
+For comparison, see [[Captain Olimar]]. In ''Pikmin'' and ''Pikmin 2'', Olimar wore a very plain-looking spacesuit. In ''Brawl'', the spacesuit was given much more detail (e.g. the red buttons). In ''Pikmin 3'' and ''Hey! Pikmin'', those extra details were retroactively added to his home series. The fact that ''Brawl'' predates ''Hey! Pikmin'' does not matter, because we're using ''Hey! Pikmin'' as Olimar's infobox image because it's the design that best matches his ''Smash'' design.
+Or how about the ''Kid Icarus'' characters? The designs in ''Kid Icarus Uprising'' are based on ''Brawl'', not the other way around. And yet, it's the ''Uprising'' artwork that we use for their infoboxes.
+--[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 10:09, June 29, 2019 (EDT)
+:Comparing his Heroes art vs his Smash appearance vs his other two arts that we’re using on this page, I can see exactly what you’re talking about.
+:*Binding Blade Roy’s pants don’t have greaves, and his gloved don’t have guards. Smash, Awakening, and Heroes Roy do.
+:*Roy’s general outfit matches Binding Blade for both Heroes and Smash. His Awakening outfit has a couple minor elements taken from it, like the guards and greaves I mentioned above, but it’s not that much
+:*I will admit that Roy’s cape is not torn in his Heroes artwork and his wrist guards are blue instead of gray, but other than those two things, Heroes Roy and Smash Roy are a perfect match.
+:*I don’t know if I’m just seeing things with this one, but his hair looks shorter in Smash and Heroes than it does with either Binding Blade or Awakening. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 17:39, June 29, 2019 (EDT)
+:::The thing is that Roy's redesign in ''Smash 4'' was stated to be a combination of his appearance in both ''The Binding Blade'' and ''Awakening''. It's possible that his appearance in Heroes was based on his then most recent appearance, which was ''Smash 4''. Zelda would be the second case of this situation in ''Ultimate'', with her design in that one being based on both ''A Link to the Past'' and a ''Link Between Worlds''. I think the main argument is that although Roy's design in Heroes is technically more accurate, it's officially based on two other appearances. I would say there is no problem with having Roy's ''Heroes'' art included as we do try to add the art that matches their ''Smash'' appearance the most, as well as their most recent at times if possible. I don't think accurate art appearing after their inclusion into ''Smash'', or that it was based on their ''Smash'' appearance, is a '''valid''' restriction. (Pit for example) With that said, I personally can see no problems with using Roy's ''Heroes'' art on his character page. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 00:20, June 30, 2019 (EDT)
+I've noticed that the ''Heroes'' artwork was removed again, even though it seems that the discussion here has mostly been in favor of keeping it. I won't revert Miles of SmashWiki's edit since I'd like to avoid an edit war, but I really do wish that Miles would have participated in this discussion before removing it. Again, while it's not the basis of Roy's design in SSB4 due to coming afterward, it is the ''Fire Emblem'' series design that most closely matches the ''Smash'' design, and (from my understanding) that should be what makes it relevant enough to include in the infobox. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 22:51, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
+Um, why was this image removed from the infobox again? While yes, Heroes did come out after Smash 4, it is the closest design to Roy's Smash design. Other characters, such as Meta Knight and Olimar, not only have designs from post-Smash games in their infoboxes, they also had their current designs taken from their appearances from Smash. Bothe Meta Knight and Roy have their current non-Smash designs inspired by Smash, so why should Roy specifically be excluded? [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 16:21, February 3, 2020 (EST)
+:Primarily because the Smash design is Binding Blade + Awakening DLC, and the Heroes art shouldn't supersede either of those. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:31, February 3, 2020 (EST)
+::The only things Roy takes from his Awakening design is his less poofy hair, greaves, and a tattered cape, and the Heroes art displays all of those besides the tattered cape. Also, like I mentioned, several other characters have their non-Smash designs updated to resemble their Smash designs, and Roy did exactly that. [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 16:37, February 3, 2020 (EST)
+:::The Smash design is explicitly drawn from two pre-existing designs. Replacing either of those seems like a dubious proposition to me. The correlations between SSB4's design and later FE takes on his design belong on [[List of Super Smash Bros. references in other franchises|this page]]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:40, February 3, 2020 (EST)
+::::One, we don't have to replace them; the tabber exists, so the infobox can disply both the design that most closely matches Smash Roy and the two that inspired that design without removing any of them. Two, several other characters like [[Olimar]], [[Meta Knight]], and [[Luigi]], all have artwork from post-Smash games in their infoboxes. While we don't have to remove the Binding Blade and Awakening artworks, not including the Heroes artwork would be asinine and inconsistent. [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 16:45, February 3, 2020 (EST)
+:::::While I still believe it to be wildly unnecessary for this page, if it were included in a tabber without taking the spot of either of the current images, that would be workable. That said, the FE6 art should most definitely remain the first one shown. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:48, February 3, 2020 (EST)