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 ==Regarding speculation==
 This isn't so much a proper mainspace article, as it is just an archive of Sakurai's posts, we don't need to be absolutely anal here about no speculation. Reporting common speculation on what Sakurai's often vague posts mean is fine and helps makes this archive more interesting and informative, while also giving us a written record of what people thought at the time, to compare to what actually happened in the final game.
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 Yeah I'll just stay out of this until you both agree that the other is correct, because guess what, that's what's up. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Le Grand Fromage 15:45, 1 March 2014 (EST)
+And I guess by "both of you are correct", I also mean "both of you are in the wrong" (which is also true). But I'll see if you can understand what I mean by that first, since this isn't the first time we've had a Spock vs McCoy argument between you two. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Zesty 16:01, 1 March 2014 (EST)
+:And the time you wasted arguing could have been used to finish [[List of Director's Room Miiverse posts/Archive 1]]. People have different opinions, so just deal with it. Stop fighting and just finish the list! And Omega, this is a mainspace article because the title has no prefix. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 16:33, 1 March 2014 (EST)
+::Cut it out with the condensing "time wasting" shit, this is a wiki, and when information is at stake, this is how it goes.
+::"''People have different opinions, so just deal with it.''"
+::This isn't an "opinion" issue, information here is at stake. You can't just go "gee golly that's your opinion I guess this doesn't go here".
+::"''Stop fighting and just finish the list!''"
+::You want those mostly meaningless posts up right now? '''Then fucking do it yourself'''. This is a Wiki, anyone can edit, '''including you'''. Don't yell at other people for disputing information on an article, when you're completely capable of adding it yourself. You're the one here helping with no progress. Stop being a lazy bastard expecting others to do it.
+::"''And Omega, this is a mainspace article because the title has no prefix.''"
+::Don't comment if you're not going to bother to read anything that was said.
+::And Toomai, that post is quite frankly useless, I expected a better mediation post than that. Going "you're both wrong" doesn't help anything, don't start using the [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/middle-ground.html golden mean fallacy] here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:13, 1 March 2014 (EST)
+I know I can edit articles, but this requires a Miiverse account to enter the Director's Room to get all the links in one go. For people without the Wii U, you would have to do a massive Google search and a lot of work for those links. How about you log out of Miiverse and look at [https://miiverse.nintendo.net/auth/forward?location=https%3A%2F%2Fmiiverse.nintendo.net%2Ftitles%2F14866558073037299863%2F14866558073037300685 The Director's Room]. All you get is a message saying "Welcome to Miiverse. You must sign in to view this page." And Miiverse requires a Wii U to sign up. This has to be completed by a Wii U owner. I don't want to cheat and copy off other fansites. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 17:36, 1 March 2014 (EST)
+:"''I don't want to cheat and copy off other fansites.''"
+:You're copying the same exact post, with the same exact picture, that you would get from Miiverse. Where you copy it from doesn't matter. And if you don't want our archive just being another bland archive of just pics and Sakurai's quotes like those fansites? Well that ''is exactly what the notes section and reporting of widespread speculation is for''. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:45, 1 March 2014 (EST)
+:Fine, I'll do it. But I won't be leaving the links. The information is going to come from [http://smashbros-miiverse.com/pic-of-the-day here] You should do add the links in for me. And if there is a difference in the text from the original post, I want you to correct it. During the edit, I will upload the files we're missing. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 18:12, 1 March 2014 (EST)
+You want a "better mediation post"? Fine then, here's my opinion of what's gone down.
+#Miles is in the wrong for breaking 1RV and being overbureaucratic and closed-minded in general.
+#OT is in the wrong for also breaking 1RV and for creating a hostile environment with his attitude.
+#I don't care who broke 1RV first.
+#Miles is in the right because this isn't a special article in terms of what standards it should be held to, "factual" is more relevant than "interesting", and a decent amount of the speculation that was in the article originally was indeed a bit overdone.
+#OT is in the right because this article does deserve elaboration beyond the facts due to Sakurai's nebulous wordings and notably-widespread speculation should not be ignored regardless of what page it's on.
+So my opinion? Saying "the community reacted in this way" on this page isn't speculation at all - it's fan reaction, which we have everywhere. If Sakurai were to post a picture of a Shadow Ball with a murky caption and the community goes wild because "zomg mew2 comfirmns", we should report that. In that sense I guess I would be considering this as a special page, which I don't really support because then the door's open to have fan reaction on all the SSB4 pages, but in some cases the wiki's goal of providing information overrides some of its policies.
+So here's what I'm gonna do. I'll go over the edit with the speculation in it and add back the parts that I think are more fan reaction than speculation, and we'll see what you two think of it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Glow 23:23, 1 March 2014 (EST)
+:There, that's a much better post (even if it tries to be too middle groundish). Something should be said about that Waluigi comment, since it's clearly a jab at something. And I found the Skull Kid speculation with the Moon to be notable enough, but eh, that isn't something I'll argue specifically for.
+:And regarding "hostile attitude", you can't just pin that on me, when Miles brushes me off as "making no argument" when I wrote all this here, and blatantly violates SW:1RV while making not bothering to respond. Additionally, there is a clear difference in the violating of SW:1RV here; there are two blatant times (the first time, which is most major as it already set the whole thing off to a bad tone, and the second time when he already stopped responding on the talkpage) and then yet a third time Miles did it. My third revert can be seen as one, but it's not a blatant violation, when Miles didn't bother to respond on the talk page and again just brushed me off as having "made no argument". So you can't just say "you both violated SW:1RV" like it was an equal offense. Miles has to be called out for that shit. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:04, 2 March 2014 (EST)
+== Is there no post today or are we slow? ==
+It seems no one has edited this page today. Is it because Sakurai didn't post a new screenshot today? I can't check the official site now, because the school blocked access, so I'd have to wait until I get home to check, and I don't have a Miiverse account so it would be hard to find todays screenshot, so did Sakurai post anything? Or is it the first weekday since Winter Break that Sakurai didn't post anything? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 09:25, 25 March 2014 (EDT)
+::So, we posted late today too. Otherwise, how would we know that Lumiose City is now Prism Tower if Sakurai didn't post anything (unless that post wasn't from Miiverse) [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 09:31, 28 March 2014 (EDT)
+== Possible redirects and links ==
+As of now, this list seems to be a bit difficult to find, as there are relatively few places that link or redirect here. Perhaps redirects such as "Pic of the day" would allow easier navigation to this page. If this is OK, I'll also add a link to and from [[Super Smash Bros. 4 Official Site]]. Sorry for being a noob here, but how do make redirects so that they appear in the search bar (i.e. typing in "Pic of the day" will make "Pic of the day" appear, but clicking on it sends you here)? -- [[User:Nintendrone42|Nintendrone42]] ([[User talk:Nintendrone42|talk]]) 15:17, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
+:There is some server-side setting to get redirects to appear in the search bar, but I don't know what it is. It's not a bad idea for a redirect though. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Riotous 17:10, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
+::Oh well, worth a shot. Anyways, I'm guessing it is fine to link to and from this on the Official Website page? It'll make this page a bit simpler to find. [[User:Nintendrone42|Nintendrone42]] ([[User talk:Nintendrone42|talk]]) 17:20, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
+:::Links added. Now this page should be more accessible to viewers. [[User:Nintendrone42|Nintendrone42]] ([[User talk:Nintendrone42|talk]]) 20:51, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
+== Legend ==
+What does the white mean? It's not on the legend. (Also, please add this.) [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta Butta]] ([[User talk:Nutta Butta|talk]]) 12:54, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
+:It's not that white means something; it's just blank because it didn't reveal anything new of significance. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:55, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
+== Rayman trophy ==
+Just something that might need to be brought up, but there are two screenshots of the Rayman trophy: the one on Miiverse, and the one posted on official Rayman Facebook timeline.
+*[https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=743734855665569&set=a.210830252289368.50167.125099777529083&type=1 Official Rayman image]
+*[http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/0/0b/SSB4_Rayman_Trophy.jpg Miiverse image]
+Idk of what significance this is atm, but just something I felt should be mentioned (if not so already). [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 13:58, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
+:What's odd is the Facebook one seems to have his eyes fully open, while the Miiverse one has them half-closed. Are trophies going to blink, or is one of the two using an out-of-date model? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:06, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
+:: I've seen speculation about trophies being animated, which would explain the differences. However, that is purely speculation. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 14:09, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
+:::I'm pretty sure that's the 3DS version of the trophy. It's a completely different model, and being that Sakurai said that Ubisoft gave them a model to use instead of reference art, there's no reason the model should have an earlier version. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 14:11, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
+::::The Wii U version's trophies appear to have shinier stands than the 3DS trophies (look at Mega Man X's trophy), so I think it's safe to bet that trophies will be animated (or the Rayman image in the first link is beta). <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 16:09, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
+==Today's PotD Bug==
+Would someone please fix the arrangement of today's PotD (8/20/14)? After further analyzation, I can't figure out what the problem is... [[User:Aidanzapunk|Aidan the Average Gamer]] ([[User talk:Aidanzapunk|talk]]) 11:50, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
+:What happened is that the ending <code>|}</code> of the table wasn't moved down below the current PotD, so it wasn't recognized as part of the table. <font face="sand">''[[User:Qwerty|<font color="black">Qw</font><font color="003F3F">er</font><font color="005F5F">ty</font>]] ''[[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="005F6F">(t</font><font color="003C6F">al</font><font color="000F7F">k)</font>]]</font> 11:56, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
+Thank you, that's much better. [[User:Aidanzapunk|Aidan the Average Gamer]] ([[User talk:Aidanzapunk|talk]]) 11:59, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
+== 9/30 PotD ==
+Someone told me today's PotD only has a comment on Japan's Miiverse...if we translated it, could it go on here? [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 07:59, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
+==Jigglypuff in the 11/5 PotD==
+Would this count as an "official reveal"? I mean, it hasn't been put on the website yet, but since Sakurai just flat-out said Jigglypuff's name and the PotD revealed her directly without censorship, would this count as her official reveal? <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 15:11, 5 November 2014 (EST)
+:...Nah... he did it with Ganondorf too. And he was revealed five days later on the official site. And she was also named in the 50-Fact thing as one of the new defaults, if I recall correctly. <small>''---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 15:18, 5 November 2014 (EST)
+::Now here's the thing: with Ganondorf's PotD, he was only mentioned, and that was very vaguely, as Sakurai could've been talking about a past game (I know he wasn't, but still). With Jigglypuff, she is actually ''shown'', so this wouldn't be considered a "mention", but rather a "reveal". <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 15:24, 5 November 2014 (EST)
+:::Actually, since Jigglypuff was revealed today anyways on the official site, ignore all this. This page needs archiving, anyways, which I'll do right now. <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 21:33, 5 November 2014 (EST)