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:'''Support''', removing old tags is such an unnecessary attempt to erase part of your history. With most of your old data likely still accessible under your old tag, it is basically completly pointless in doing so and only let people discover your old tags by looking up your old tournament data while also giving editors hassle to remove those supposedly "dead tags". Attempting to remove a serious old tag achieves absolutely nothing and we shouldn't allow exceptions and inconsistencies either. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]] [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 01:52, December 1, 2022 (EST) | :'''Support''', removing old tags is such an unnecessary attempt to erase part of your history. With most of your old data likely still accessible under your old tag, it is basically completly pointless in doing so and only let people discover your old tags by looking up your old tournament data while also giving editors hassle to remove those supposedly "dead tags". Attempting to remove a serious old tag achieves absolutely nothing and we shouldn't allow exceptions and inconsistencies either. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]] [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 01:52, December 1, 2022 (EST) | ||
== Wins lists == | |||
An ingrained practice on Smasher articles is for people to shove in a list of players the subject has beaten at the end of the intro. People in Smash have loved listing off their wins since forever, but I always disliked the practice of these list of contexless wins: | |||
*They leave out where the win happened. Beating a globally ranked player at a local they likely weren't taking very seriously, or pulling off a big upset in pools and then not even making top 64 after, is less impressive than providing the win out of context sounds. | |||
*Beating a big name player while they were practicing secondaries or outright sandbagging obviously doesn't have the gravitas that saying you have a win against them normally would. | |||
*Saying you got a win on one of your region's best players sounds impressive, not so impressive however if it came with a 1-20 record against them, but of course these wins lists will leave out that it took you 20 losses to get that win. On the flipside, a 1-0 record ain't so impressive either, how many times has it been boasted that someone has a "winning record" against a top player but it turns out they only played in tournament once and fluked an upset in their one encounter? | |||
*With top and near top level players, wins lists just come off as a random assortment of globally ranked names, you could just make up a player with a list of made up top 10 wins and it would sound just like most other such articles. With typical regional level players, wins lists will largely be a list of their region's PR'd players, with a few good OoR players and maybe one globally ranked player they upsetted before. | |||
At best, these wins lists are trivia that might make you go "huh, neat", and otherwise your eyes just glaze over reading this bloat that tells you meaningfully little of the player's accomplishments. Speaking of bloat, these wins lists have a tendency to go on way too long; we started the arbitrary "list no more than 8 wins" limit a couple years ago as a compromise to reign them in back when wins lists regularly stretched over a dozen players, but many people aren't aware of that and will just tack on more wins to a list that already has eight wins, leaving us with more work to clean it up or leaving the intro with a terribly bloated wins list that just turns off readers. | |||
With that said, I'm gonna propose ending the practice of listing off contextless wins in the intros of Smasher articles, and removing all wins lists we come across on already existing articles. Instead, significant wins should be explained with their proper context in a player's history section, or if the player doesn't have one and an editor doesn't want to bother making them one as is the case most of the time, at least make the effort to explain the player's most significant wins in their intro (which will likely be the player's best result or two anyway, that would also help give more context to their best result listing in their infobox). Another idea is to give players a H2H records section or subpage that has a table of their win/loss records against other notable players, where you can in effect list off their notable wins but also let readers know how many times they lost too, which would at least expose those aforementioned lopsided losing records and 1-0 records. But that would take a lot of work and I understand people likely not wanting to put in the effort for that, so just at least explaining a player's biggest wins instead of listing off wins with no context is improvement enough. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:45, March 28, 2024 (EDT) | |||