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+==Setting A Standard==
+So I have noticed a lot of mention in this Discussion Page that the reason so many edit wars are going on and disagreements are being had is because there is no official definition of a clone. I am going to attempt to create a more definite meaning for the words Clone and Semi-Clone:
+CLONE:
+• Special Moves are the same or similar.
+- Special Moves are arguably more important in defining a character than the standard moves, so they should probably be used as a deciding factor rather than A moves.
+• If the above is true, Normal Moves have some similarities.
+- Special Moves shouldn't be the only deciding factor though, as an example, Wolf and Fox are considered by most to be Semi-Clones, despite sharing all of their Specials.
+• Creators intended them to be clones.
+- This reasoning should only be used in the most obvious cases. Melee's Fox/Falco for example, or 64's Mario/Luigi.
+SEMI-CLONE:
+• Special Moves are similar.
+- Again, Special Moves are one of the most defining things for characters, so characters with similar Specials, but not identical, could be considered Semi-Clones. As an example, Melee's Mario and Luigi.
+• Normal Moves are the same or similar.
+- In my opinion, clone status should not be judged by just normal moves. So, assuming there was a character who had very similar normal moves to another character, but different specials, I would consider them a Semi-Clone in most cases.
+• Creators intended them to be semi-clones.
+- A simple one, characters like Mario and Luigi in Melee (to use that example again) is obviously the latter being based off the former and then given uniqueness.
+SUMMARY:
+Clone Status =
+Special Moves are the same and Normal Moves are atleast similar
+OR
+Character was intended to be a clone
+OR
+Most Normal Moves are very similar and Special Moves are similar
+Semi-Clone Status =
+Special Moves are similar.
+OR
+Normal Moves are similar.
+OR
+Intended to be semi-clones.
+WHO IS THE CLONE?:
+I believe that who is a clone of who should be decided by this system:
+First check who appeared in the Smash series first. The person who came later is the clone.
+If they appeared in the same game...
+Then check who was unlocked first. The person who is unlocked later (by conventional methods) is the clone.
+THE LIST:
+Going by the above criteria, here is my opinion:
+CLONES:
+Mario & Luigi
+SEMI-CLONES:
+Arguably Everyone. But going by the phrase "If everyone is special, no one is" it would probably make more sense to just say that 64 doesn't have semi-clones.
+MELEE CLONES:
+Mario & Dr. Mario
+Captain Falcon & Ganondorf
+Fox & Falco
+Link & Young Link
+Pikachu & Pichu
+Marth & Roy
+MELEE SEMI-CLONES:
+Mario & Luigi
+BRAWL CLONES:
+Link & Toon Link
+BRAWL SEMI-CLONES:
+Ness & Lucas
+Fox & Wolf
+Fox & Falco (Debatable)
+Mario & Luigi (Debatable)
+DISCLAIMER:
+I am not trying to say my opinion is correct, or that we should immediately adopt this system. I merely posted this here as a potential guideline if anyone wants to go somewhere with this, an answer to the complaints of having no clear definition of Clone and Semi-Clone, and to simply post my opinion.
+Make of this what you will. [[User:Grim Tuesday|Grim Tuesday]] ([[User talk:Grim Tuesday|talk]]) 11:27, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 == Clones in Melee ==
 Should it be mentioned that clones in Melee have a slightly recessed portrait and are directly next to who they are clones of? [[User:Webrunner|Webrunner]] 10:32, February 15, 2008 (EST)