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Looking at Marth's frame data, I'd say "Marth is bad" is an objective statement. Idk what Miles is trying to enforce here.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 13:43, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | Looking at Marth's frame data, I'd say "Marth is bad" is an objective statement. Idk what Miles is trying to enforce here.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 13:43, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | ||
:"Marth is one of the worst characters in the game" is a subjective statement which says nothing that the objective statement "[Marth] currently has one of the worst high-level representations in large Smash 4 tournaments" doesn't already say. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:53, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | :"Marth is one of the worst characters in the game" is a subjective statement which says nothing that the objective statement "[Marth] currently has one of the worst high-level representations in large Smash 4 tournaments" doesn't already say. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:53, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | ||
::The statement was that "Some believe Marth to be one of the worst characters in the game" which is an objective and provable statement. We need to drop this charade of implicitly assuming all characters are good. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 15:19, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Tell me what your statement adds that the existing quote I listed above doesn't already convey. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:39, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>ahem* If I may give my opinion on the subject... | |||
::::It seems to me that there is a small misunderstanding. Brian, you believe that not saying "Marth is believed to be one of the worst characters in the game" implies all characters are good. That being said, removing that statement in favor of Miles's statement, "[Marth] currently has one of the worst high-level representations in large Smash 4 tournaments", wouldn't really imply all characters are good. It basically says the same thing. | |||
::::Now, outright placing on every page "____ has been buffed in Smash 4, giving them very high tournament results" would be another thing, but to my understanding, that is not the case. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 20:27, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::It does not say the same thing. It only says that very few people use Marth. It doesn't say much about what the majority of the community thinks about Marth which is that he is garbage. Yoshi also sees very little tournament use and subsequently does not see good results, but the community largely believes Yoshi to be one of the better characters in the game.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 00:32, 8 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::See we just read things differently then. To me, the phrase "bad high-level representation" can mean "character is unplayed by many", "character earns worse results than their playerbase would suggest", or "both". In fact, with the way the page is currently written, I don't know how else to understand it other than "both". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Cloronic 09:49, 8 April 2015 (EDT) | |||