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I was looking into this earlier, but could find no solution to it...in your Acrhives box, the current talk page is also linked up to archive 15. It's been bothering me for a while, and, like I said, I tried to fix it, but could find no solution. Just letting you know this so you can try and fix it. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 14:04, 26 March 2015 (EDT) | I was looking into this earlier, but could find no solution to it...in your Acrhives box, the current talk page is also linked up to archive 15. It's been bothering me for a while, and, like I said, I tried to fix it, but could find no solution. Just letting you know this so you can try and fix it. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 14:04, 26 March 2015 (EDT) | ||
:Toomai goes :|O, so I fixed it for him. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' 14:48, 26 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Marth Side B stall == | |||
So as you know in Melee, the first time you use Marth's Side B in the air, you stop your fall completely and get a bit of height, similar to Mario's cape. Subsequent uses of Side do not stop your fall but merely delay your descent and move your ECB forward. I have reason to believe that this property was removed in Brawl and Smash 4. My reasoning is as follows. Mario can still use a midair cape to gain height without jumping first, but Marth has to use his double jump and then immediately side B to get the float. Subsequent uses of side B do absolutely nothing so I would guess the float from side B comes from the momentum of the double jump. Can you confirm? --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 11:01, 27 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:I may not be Toomai, but I can definitely confirm that it was removed in Smash 4; that said, I don't know about Brawl. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 11:29, 27 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Standard Custom Movesets == | |||
The custom move combinations for EVO have been announced and are designed to be the standard for tournament play. What parts of the wiki do we need information about the combinations on? [[Special:Contributions/216.130.144.24|216.130.144.24]] 11:56, 30 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Do we have enough info overall for a "Tournament legal (SSB4)" article yet? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Keymaster 13:16, 30 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
::Perhaps detailing the Apex 2015 and EVO 2015 SSBU rulesets and making a chart of the standard customs to be used at EVO would be sufficient for such a page? We could tweak those over time as rulesets change (or don't). [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:46, 30 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Makes sense to me. Maybe "x is used in five standard custom movesets" for character pages, too? [[Special:Contributions/216.130.144.24|216.130.144.24]] 14:11, 30 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::Maybe once we get "in competitive play" sections up for character pages (which I suspect would be once the tier list's out and/or EVO is over). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Free 15:48, 30 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Just a Suggestion == | |||
I would recommend protecting the other major pages, because I'm sure you don't want a repeat of last year... [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 14:05, 31 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:I quite enjoyed last year, at least before it got out of hand in the afternoon, and wouldn't mind seeing similar again if kept reasonable. If there wasn't an imminent Direct, necessitating a serious and trustworthy news source throughout the day, I wouldn't have protected the news section at all. | |||
:Also, I see you have two images in your signature, which isn't allowed. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Breegull 14:10, 31 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
::...No one's complained about this before. Um...so do I fix it...? [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 23:32, 31 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
== About April Fools == | |||
Since people will write fake stuff on their accounts on that day, would it be okay for me to have an admin userbox on my profile and then take it down when April Fools day is over? [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy 23:04, 31 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:That's on the tame side of things; go ahead. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Quintonic 23:06, 31 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
::What exactly ''isn't'' allowed today? I know there was a page for it, but I can't seem to find it. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 23:35, 31 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::[[SW:FOOLS]] [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Bold 23:36, 31 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
== You having a giggle there, mate? == | |||
What a bunch of jokers. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 04:36, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Uh... == | |||
So, I went to do a small change to [[User:Aidanzapunk|my userpage]], and, at the top of the page, it said: | |||
<span style="color: red">'''Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "[".'''</span> | |||
...Any idea what that's about? [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 08:50, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:That means that somewhere you have an #expr trying to do math on a square bracket. #expr only tolerates parentheses. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Celeritous 08:58, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::I'm finding nothing of the sort in my userpage. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 09:05, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::It showed it again when I went to go goof off on [[User:Laikue|Laikue's userpage]]...so it probably isn't what you think it is. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 09:49, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::Oh I see it's because the current wiki status starts with [, and it's trying to do math on it to decide what "userpages may equal probation" message to show. So you can ignore it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Glow 10:01, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::I see. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 10:05, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::Oh, then it's my fault, I guess. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 10:12, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Yo Toomai! == | |||
From what i heard, i can insert stupid jokes during April Fools to Pages, Which one i add stupid Jokes On? [[User:Igor The Mii|Igor the Mii]] ([[User talk:Igor The Mii|talk]]) 09:06, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Read [[SW:FOOLS]], most anything is allowed, aside from page-breaking, malicious content, or other people's User Pages. Just don't overdo it. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 09:08, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
==Time's up?== | |||
Is it time to remove the jokes? [[User:Smashworker101|Smashworker101]] ([[User talk:Smashworker101|talk]]) 14:08, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:It's "don't add any more" time. You can remove stuff if you want, but aren't required to do so for another ~3 hours. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Le Grand Fromage 14:10, 1 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Not that it's a big deal, but == | |||
Would it not be useful to have a big chart somewhere (even a more streamlined one than the one that you deleted) of all the custom specials? Even if all it said was the names. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 00:51, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Well I don't see what use it could have. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spark 00:54, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::Reference for unlocking and the standard tourney sets? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 00:57, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::You can't control what you unlock, so it doesn't really help to know what you're missing. I'm not sure how "list of every single custom move" helps if we're going to have a "list of all legal custom move sets", which I expect we'd have a template for or something. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Celeritous 01:04, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::I guess I was getting at something like "1321" being tough to see the meaning of without an easy-to-read list of the customs. I'm not super desperate for the page to exist, just trying to present the opinion of why. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:23, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::Well if we had a template, we could input "1321" and get back both numbers and names. Not sure how nice it would look at this point though. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Different 10:07, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
== I was redirected here == | |||
Aidan redirected me here due our discussion on physics in Smash 4, said you'd be the guy. The thing is, wavelanding is a feature exclusive to Melee, with only the slightest shown in Brawl due to a glitch apparently. Since Smash 4's release, videos have been made showcasing "wavedashes" or "wavelandings" or just plain glitches that show results similar to wavedashing from Melee, but most of them have no practical use, like Pit's ability to slip'n'slide up the pipes on a Mario stage. However, Bowser's second custom Side Special, Dash Slash, produces a technically exact looking waveland from Melee, minus the airdodge requirement. An up-tilt can be followed up well, a forward-tilt less so, but the crouch attack obviously works. Bowser appears unique with this ability. Has there been enough in-depth discussion about this? [[User:Superscooter|Superscooter]] ([[User talk:Superscooter|talk]]) 19:52, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:A quick look around the Bowser section of SmashBoards suggests that people know about it, but haven't really done too much with it simply because it's a custom move. Some call the "waveslash" a crutch, others call it a necessity. I'm not a Bowser guy so that's about all I know. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bomb 22:40, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::I brought him over here because the thing itself had more or less to do with the game physics, something you would definitely know about. ...Just thought I'd throw that out there. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 22:43, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
==???== | |||
Hey, man. Uh, I see that you typed something in my talk page about links for custom special moves. I supposed it had to do with that article I created yesterday that held a list for every custom move... what concerns me is that the message about an article created ''yesterday'' was written ''two weeks ago''. | |||
Also, someone apparently deleted said article, and the wiki has no memory of it. Did you do that, or do you know who did? Just wondering. | |||
[[User:Herson|Herson]] ([[User talk:Herson|talk]]) 04:36, 6 April 2015 (EDT)Herson | |||
:The message I left you had to do with links on pages such as [[flame]], since that's what you were doing at the time. | |||
:Yes, I deleted the custom-moves-list page. The section was slated for deletion, not splitting. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Indescribable 09:44, 6 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Since when does "objective" mean we call every character good? == | |||
Looking at Marth's frame data, I'd say "Marth is bad" is an objective statement. Idk what Miles is trying to enforce here.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 13:43, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:"Marth is one of the worst characters in the game" is a subjective statement which says nothing that the objective statement "[Marth] currently has one of the worst high-level representations in large Smash 4 tournaments" doesn't already say. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:53, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::The statement was that "Some believe Marth to be one of the worst characters in the game" which is an objective and provable statement. We need to drop this charade of implicitly assuming all characters are good. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 15:19, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Tell me what your statement adds that the existing quote I listed above doesn't already convey. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:39, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>ahem* If I may give my opinion on the subject... | |||
::::It seems to me that there is a small misunderstanding. Brian, you believe that not saying "Marth is believed to be one of the worst characters in the game" implies all characters are good. That being said, removing that statement in favor of Miles's statement, "[Marth] currently has one of the worst high-level representations in large Smash 4 tournaments", wouldn't really imply all characters are good. It basically says the same thing. | |||
::::Now, outright placing on every page "____ has been buffed in Smash 4, giving them very high tournament results" would be another thing, but to my understanding, that is not the case. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 20:27, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::It does not say the same thing. It only says that very few people use Marth. It doesn't say much about what the majority of the community thinks about Marth which is that he is garbage. Yoshi also sees very little tournament use and subsequently does not see good results, but the community largely believes Yoshi to be one of the better characters in the game.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 00:32, 8 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::See we just read things differently then. To me, the phrase "bad high-level representation" can mean "character is unplayed by many", "character earns worse results than their playerbase would suggest", or "both". In fact, with the way the page is currently written, I don't know how else to understand it other than "both". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Cloronic 09:49, 8 April 2015 (EDT) | |||