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 These our the problems that must be fixed if the Wiki is to gain respectability among the competitive community (and in turn, attract competitive players to contribute). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:30, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
+:The sad thing is, that's basically all correct. What's even worse is that not all of this can be fixed. [[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki#Hi|This discussion]] would imply that Miles isn't going to be changing his AllisBrawl username any time soon. Other parts of this can be fixed with a bit of work. Eventually the character pages should all be revamped, it's a slow process, but I reckon it will happen in the end. The Smasher space needs a lot more work, but with a bit of time, it can be fixed. It won't necessarily happen, but the possibility is there. The part regarding Miles is the only one which really sticks out as an issue, because as the matter is technically property of AllisBrawl, I would think it's beyond our control, especially if the discussion I linked to is anything to go by. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 13:53, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
+We need some more templates made. The smasher template is decent, but could be improved greatly, and we have no template for tournament pages at all. If someone could make tournament templates similar to those at liquidpedia, we could create and improve a lot of our tournament pages very quickly. [[User:Nocturnal Dragon|Nocturnal Dragon]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal Dragon|talk]]) 00:35, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
+:What improvements could the smasherbeta use? And I would +1 a tournament infobox template. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:10, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
+::I am on {{t|Infobox Tournament}}. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Celeritous 12:59, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
+Yeah, all the reasons that you guys said is why we don't have enough information on competitive smashing. A good goal is to made this wiki have people see both the non-competitive and competitive side of this game as KoRoBeNiKi said. We should also try to get rid of jokes too. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Bomb]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 17:30, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
+If we could a bracket template also that would be a big improvement over linking a picture of a bracket[[User:Nocturnal Dragon|Nocturnal Dragon]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal Dragon|talk]]) 19:25, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
+:Hate to stomp this but it won't happen, at least not for full brackets. Look at [[wikipedia:Template:64TeamBracket|this utter buttload of code]] needed for a 64-player, single-elimination bracket - it's bigger than the entire Apex 2012 page. (Yeah some whitespace can be cut and CSS tricksies can be done but the point is that this is not simple.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The SMASH-GINEER 20:32, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
+Would it be possible for us to do a seperate page just for the bracket? [[User:Nocturnal Dragon|Nocturnal Dragon]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal Dragon|talk]]) 00:15, 11 September 2012 (EDT)
+Is there a double bracket template?--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 04:28, 11 September 2012 (EDT)
+:An image of a bracket works perfectly fine. It shows the entire bracket in full detail, while taking up minimal space on the page, and being much simpler to include on the page than these suggested alternatives. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 05:19, 11 September 2012 (EDT)
+If we use a bracket template though, we could add more data, such as the score of the set what characters they used. we're supposed to be an encylopedia on smash, so we don't we have that information? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Nocturnal Dragon|Nocturnal Dragon]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal Dragon|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nocturnal Dragon|contribs]]) 22:20, September 11, 2012</small>
+:Didn't see your post until now, but I'll answer anyway; that information you suggest we have is information we could never realistically obtain. Tournament result threads never have that data, and the only way to know that would be if people who edit the Wiki attended the tournament and saw every match, and/or every match was recorded and uploaded online. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:54, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
+::What about a tournament like MELEE-FC, which has the bracket and games won here [http://challonge.com/meleefc10rmeleesinglesbracket|here]?[[User:Nocturnal Dragon|Nocturnal Dragon]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal Dragon|talk]]) 15:28, 30 September 2012 (EDT)
+I'm really pleased to see that we've made advancements in the competitive areas of this wiki. We've definitely improved upon some of the weak aspects here. We now have a "Notable players" section on every character article that brings out the most influential players of a character. The "Tier placement and history" paragraph has been added to some character articles, and explains how a character's tier placement and metagame has changed over time, and it really gives a good analysis of the main competitive influence of a character. The "Matchups" section has also been expanded in several articles, and it basically gives exact statistics of a character's matchups, as well as reasons why certain matchups are notably close/one-sided. The "In competitive play" sections don't feel so blank and empty anymore with just a matchups chart. More articles have also been created on top-level smashers, and while can still be problematic (especislly with Japanese players and inactive players), it's definitely an improvement from what it was before.
+The wiki's articles on competitive play and the competitive scene could still be improved however. Here are some things I (we) think we should work on:
+*Create articles for every ''Brawl'' national tournament so far (which I've been working on right now). I may do Melee ones later but I'm more interested in Brawl. I also want to include a paragraph listing the most influential events at a tournament (such as notable placings, upsets, memorable moments such as [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KTqCbdT8PE ZeRo vs ADHD] at [[SKTAR 2]], etc.), as the tournaments should be more than just the results. It would be harder to do this for older tournaments though.
+*Create articles for all of the best players in the world (if you need ideas, I made of list of ''Brawl'' players on my userpage, though it's incomplete); by looking at tournament results, you should be able to find them out. This will reduce the amount of red links we have and improve the quality of the smasher namespace a lot.
+*Add a list of notable tournament placings to all of the best players in the world (at least national tournaments). This should expand the smasher articles a lot. The tournament articles also need to be standardized (the dates are written differently, etc.) and players of multiple games such as {{sm|Chu Dat}} will need more than one table, as well as low tier side events for low tier players such as {{Sm|Mekos}}).
+*Add raw statistics and numbers about each character's tier placement.
+*Add the tier placement and history sections, as well as the matchup sections, to every character page. I'm not the most knowledgeable at the matchups though.
+*Improve the character attributes sections so they provide an accurate, well-written description of the character's fighting abilities. This will probably be the hardest part for us to write as writing them requires a lot of knowledge.
+*Create articles on more topics relating to the competitive scene ([[Stage striking]], [[Livestream]], etc.)
+Here's some other ideas I have/others have suggested that I'm not so sure about adding. Please provide your thoughts:
+*Adding a rollover section to every tournament results that shows what players they defeated and who they lost to. The standards could be adjusted for notability.
+*Adding information about tournament success and how much money the character makes. I'm not really sure about this one, as getting the data would be really difficult, and I don't feel it's the most notable. I think that adding info in the Tier placement and history paragraph would be sufficient. For example, Brawl's Zero Suit Samus would have {{sm|Salem}} winning [[Apex 2013]], {{Sm|Nick Riddle}} placing 3rd at [[MLG Columbus 2010]], etc.
+*EDIT: Create and expand articles on the major Smash regions such as [[Tristate Area]]. I'm kind of stuck on content to put on them and would appreciate your opinions.
+I know I have some other ideas, but I've forgot them :(
+So please tell me your thoughts on this and any other ideas you may have. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 22:39, 29 October 2013 (EDT)