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:'''Support''' Nothing much else to say. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 03:02, 21 August 2018 (EDT) | :'''Support''' Nothing much else to say. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 03:02, 21 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
Here's my proposed page: | Here's my proposed page: User:AmoongussForLife/Mii_Fighter_costumes_(SSB4). SerpentKing also said I should've gotten a consensus before uploading the QR codes, so if anyone wants to support/deny their inclusion, that'd be good too. [[User:AmoongussForLife|<span style="color:green">AmoongussForLife</span>]] [[File:AmoongussForLife's_signature.png]][[User_talk:AmoongussForLife|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]] 12:55, 7 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
:I '''support''' including QR codes. I was initially going to oppose, but since they were officially released, then I don't see why we shouldn't keep them. Though maybe they'd look better if they were in a table like the costumes and also featured a headshot of the Mii they're supposed to create. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 03:03, 21 August 2018 (EDT) | :I '''support''' including QR codes. I was initially going to oppose, but since they were officially released, then I don't see why we shouldn't keep them. Though maybe they'd look better if they were in a table like the costumes and also featured a headshot of the Mii they're supposed to create. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 03:03, 21 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
:'''Support''' splitting the page and incluing QR codes. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 18:43, 26 August 2018 (EDT) | :'''Support''' splitting the page and incluing QR codes. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 18:43, 26 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
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::Shouldn't this have been done already? I'm pretty sure you've reached consensus (and no one has opposed it at all). I'm not exactly sure on that, I'd have to ask an administartor, but it's been this way for awhile and nothing's happening with it. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] ([[User talk:72.133.91.93|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|contribs]]) 15:21, 21 September 2018</small> | ::Shouldn't this have been done already? I'm pretty sure you've reached consensus (and no one has opposed it at all). I'm not exactly sure on that, I'd have to ask an administartor, but it's been this way for awhile and nothing's happening with it. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] ([[User talk:72.133.91.93|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|contribs]]) 15:21, 21 September 2018</small> | ||
I've created the page [[ | I've created the page Alternate costume [[(SSB4)/Mii Fighter|here]] based on [[User:AmoongussForLife]]'s suggested page in reflection of the clear consensus here. – [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 12:36, 21 September 2018 (EDT) | ||
== Captain Falcon Alternate Costume Origins == | == Captain Falcon Alternate Costume Origins == | ||
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#Donkey Kong Jr. has a plain white shirt [[mariowiki:File:DK Jr. Maths.jpg|in ''Donkey Kong Jr. Math'']], just like [[mariowiki:File:Arcade side art - Donkey Kong Jr.png|in ''Donkey Kong Jr.'']] (since the artwork of Donkey Kong Jr. in ''Donkey Kong Jr. Math'' is only a very slight modification of the ''Donkey Kong Jr.'' cover anyway). Diddy Kong's 8th costume is ice blue. Donkey Kong Jr.'s shirt has red lettering, the primary symbol on Diddy Kong's shirt in that costume is orange. Their clothing looks nothing alike. | #Donkey Kong Jr. has a plain white shirt [[mariowiki:File:DK Jr. Maths.jpg|in ''Donkey Kong Jr. Math'']], just like [[mariowiki:File:Arcade side art - Donkey Kong Jr.png|in ''Donkey Kong Jr.'']] (since the artwork of Donkey Kong Jr. in ''Donkey Kong Jr. Math'' is only a very slight modification of the ''Donkey Kong Jr.'' cover anyway). Diddy Kong's 8th costume is ice blue. Donkey Kong Jr.'s shirt has red lettering, the primary symbol on Diddy Kong's shirt in that costume is orange. Their clothing looks nothing alike. | ||
#The note at the top of Lucina's section only states that the costumes are based on female characters from ''Fire Emblem Awakening''. While it isn't necessary to specify the game for most characters, Tiki appears in many Fire Emblem games in many different designs, and Lucina's costume is specifically based on her appearance in ''Fire Emblem Awakening'', which is otherwise not stated. | #The note at the top of Lucina's section only states that the costumes are based on female characters from ''Fire Emblem Awakening''. While it isn't necessary to specify the game for most characters, Tiki appears in many Fire Emblem games in many different designs, and Lucina's costume is specifically based on her appearance in ''Fire Emblem Awakening'', which is otherwise not stated. | ||
#If Fox appeared with a particular color scheme in ''Star Fox: Assault'', and Falco also appeared with that same color scheme in ''Star Fox: Assault'', I can't see any reason to think Fox's costume would be based on Falco's appearance in that game. It's highly implausible that a costume would be based on a ''different'' character (who only has that design for one game) when the character themselves has a plausible origin costume in that same game. In fact, the only thing the SSB4 Fox costume really has in common with ''Assault'' Falco is that they're both red. If it were based on Falco, you would expect at least another color to match (e.g. the boots being silver to match Falco's, but they're gold in SSB4). | #If Fox appeared with a particular color scheme in ''Star Fox: Assault'', and Falco also appeared with that same color scheme in ''Star Fox: Assault'', I can't see any reason to think Fox's costume would be based on Falco's appearance in that game. It's highly implausible that a costume would be based on a ''different'' character (who only has that design for one game) when the character themselves has a plausible origin costume in that same game. In fact, the only thing the SSB4 Fox costume really has in common with ''Assault'' Falco is that they're both red. If it were based on Falco, you would expect at least another color to match (e.g. the boots being silver to match Falco's, but they're gold in SSB4). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:49, 2 January 2019 (EST) | ||
--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06: | #For Donkey Kong, many of the suggested origins do have clothing (or even a tie if it's based on another appearance of Donkey Kong himself), but the tie color doesn't match SSB4. Likewise, some of the Donkey Kong appearances in other games (like Mario Golf) have differences in the color of his skin, but this is not reflected in the SSB4 costume that is alleged to be based on it. Donkey Kong's skin color and tie color do vary between costumes, so the fact that only his fur resembles a proposed origin should cast doubt on that origin; specifying when only his fur resembles a stated source makes readers aware of this. In the same way that you shouldn't simply state without qualification that a Donkey Kong costume is based on a source if his tie matches but his fur does not, you shouldn't do the reverse either. (The same applies for many other characters, an extreme example being saying that a Jigglypuff costume is based on Leaf because they have the same hat.) | ||
::For example, [[mariowiki:File:Mgdk.png|Donkey Kong's yellow Mario Golf costume]] has a red tie and dark skin, yet his SSB4 costume has light skin and a blue tie. This is despite the fact that Donkey Kong has dark skin in his second costume and has red ties in two non-default costumes. This fact should be made clear to the readers. | |||
--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:58, 2 January 2019 (EST) | |||
== Images too big == | |||
I would just like to note that the images for the different costumes are too big and cut off the last costume for most of the fighters. [[User:2Hats|2Hats]] ([[User talk:2Hats|talk]]) 13:57, April 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Mega Man edits == | |||
I would like to make some edits to Mega Man, but the page is protected and I don't have the editing privileges. If someone would like to review the following and make the edits as you see fit, I'd appreciate that. | |||
I've added a few more sources for Mega Man's colours, but also separated them into accurate sources and "similar colors", because some of the listed sources, I don't believe are accurate enough. There are also a few mentions of "official artwork" and "in-game appearance" because they're quite different in some cases. I also cleaned up some of the links and removed the repeated links to the games' Wikipedia articles. | |||
<code><nowiki>|desc2=Resembles his appearance when using [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Transport_items Items 1, 2, and 3] in ''{{s|wikipedia|Mega Man 2}}'', the various [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Rush_Coil Rush] [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Rush_Jet Summons] and [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Power_Mega_Man Rush] [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Jet_Mega_Man Adaptors] from ''{{s|wikipedia|Mega Man 4}}'' to ''{{s|wikipedia|Mega Man 6}}'', and the [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Optic_Laser Optic Laser] in ''{{s|wikipedia|Street Fighter X Mega Man}}''.</nowiki></code> | |||
(Rush summons are also in ''Mega Man 3'', but his colour is more magenta than red in that game. Likewise, Rush Adaptors are in ''Mega Man 7'' and later, but the colours are darker.) | |||
<code><nowiki>|desc3=Resembles his [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Hyper_Bomb appearance] when using [[Hyper Bomb]] in the original ''{{iw|wikipedia|Mega Man|video game}}'', [[Leaf Shield]] in ''Mega Man 2'', [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Search_Snake Search Snake] in ''{{s|wikipedia|Mega Man 3}}'', [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Gyro_Attack Gyro Attack] in ''{{s|wikipedia|Mega Man 5}}'', [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Centaur_Flash Centaur Flash] in ''Mega Man 6'', and [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Tornado_Blow Tornado Blow] in ''{{s|wikipedia|Mega Man 9}}''.</nowiki></code> | |||
(Hyper Bomb appears in SSB4 along with Leaf Shield, but it's a custom special. Also, not sure if this is worth mentioning, but the official artwork for Leaf Shield also includes the yellow joints, so I would consider that the "leading" source over Hyper Bomb.) | |||
<code><nowiki>|desc4=Resembles his [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Metal_Blade appearance] when using [[Metal Blade]] in ''Mega Man 2''. Similar colors are seen when using [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Ring_Boomerang Ring Boomerang] in ''Mega Man 4'', and in the [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/4/46/MM6-SilverTomahawk-Art.jpg official artwork] of [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Silver_Tomahawk Silver Tomahawk] in ''Mega Man 6'', though the latter's in-game appearance is notably different.</nowiki></code> | |||
<code><nowiki>|desc5=Resembles his [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Gemini_Laser appearance] when using Gemini Laser in ''Mega Man 3''. Similar colors with a slightly lighter shade of cyan are seen in official artwork for [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Skull_Barrier Skull Barrier] in ''Mega Man 4, and the in-game appearance when using [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Crystal_Eye Crystal Eye] in ''Mega Man 5, [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Jewel_Satellite Jewel Satellite] in ''Mega Man 9'', and [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Block_Dropper Block Dropper] in ''{{s|wikipedia|Mega Man 11}}'', while a slightly darker shade is seen when using [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Air_Shooter Air Shooter] in ''Mega Man 2'', [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Dive_Missile Dive Missile] in ''Mega Man 4'', and [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Water_Wave Water Wave] in ''Mega Man 5''.</nowiki></code> | |||
(Not sure if ''Mega Man 11'' should be listed since it was released ''after'' SSB4...?) | |||
<code><nowiki>|desc6=Resembles his [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Slash_Claw appearance] when using Slash Claw in ''{{s|wikipedia|Mega Man 7}}''. Similar colors are seen when using [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Astro_Crush Astro Crush] in ''{{s|wikipedia|Mega Man 8}}''.</nowiki></code> | |||
(In my opinion, there's enough of a difference to move Astro Crush to "similar colors". Slash Claw uses ''light'' green and yellow while Astro Crush's are clearly darker.) | |||
<code><nowiki>|desc7=Resembles his [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Fire_Storm appearance] when using Fire Storm in the original ''Mega Man'', [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Atomic_Fire Atomic Fire] in ''Mega Man 2'', [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Magma_Bazooka Magma Bazooka] in ''Mega Man 9'', and [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Solar_Blaze Solar Blaze] in ''{{s|wikipedia|Mega Man 10}}'', as well as the [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/c/cd/MM6-FlameBlast-Art.jpg official artwork] for [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Flame_Blast Flame Blast] in ''Mega Man 6''. Similar colors are seen when using [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Crash Star Crash] in ''Mega Man 5'', [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Flame_Sword Flame Sword] in ''Mega man 8'', [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Wave_Burner Wave Burner] in ''{{s|wikipedia|Mega Man & Bass}}'', and [http://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Yoga_Inferno Yoga Inferno] in ''Street Fighter X Mega Man''.</nowiki></code> | |||
Desc8 is fine. ;) I think the 8th colour more accurately resembles Thunder Beam and Thunder Wool than it does Top Spin, but the latter is more likely the "real" source since that move is in ''Smash''. | |||
SSBU's Mega Man colours appear to be the same, so the changes could be made there as well. [[User:HelpTheWretched|HelpTheWretched]] ([[User talk:HelpTheWretched|talk]]) 18:58, February 27, 2021 (EST) | |||
:I think it would probably be best to go with the ones that are closest to the "real" source, like you said with Top Spin and Leaf Shield, and leave the rest for "similar colors". Sources that released before ''SSB4'' probably shouldn't be mentioned. ~ [[User:StrawberryChan|<span style="color: #e68;">'''StrawberryChan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:StrawberryChan|talk]]) 19:03, February 27, 2021 (EST) | |||
::Oh, hi, you're here too! :) | |||
::Just to clarify, the ones that I called "similar colours" are more-or-less the same colour scheme as the SSB4/U costumes, but with noticeably different shades and/or hues. So that makes it not really a matter of "real sources" vs. "similar colours". For example, the green and white one may be primarily based on Leaf Shield, but the Hyper Bomb and all the other sources listed are more than just similar colours, they're virtually the same. And on the flip-side, Top Spin is most likely the real source, but it doesn't quite match the 8th costume, so it's ''also'' a "similar colour" whereas the Thunder Beam/Wool are more exact colours. | |||
::All this is to say that yes, the descriptions I wrote could definitely be rephrased to emphasize the "real sources" (and conform to any SmashWiki standards that I'm not aware of), but the classifications I gave should remain. Sorry if this is overly pedantic, IMO it's good to be thorough. [[User:HelpTheWretched|HelpTheWretched]] ([[User talk:HelpTheWretched|talk]]) 18:35, March 1, 2021 (EST) | |||
== Color Name Changes == | |||
Black Bowser: Brown | |||
Blue Captain Falcon: Teal | |||
Cyan Captain Falcon: Blue | |||
Advent Blue Cloud: Advent Teal | |||
Black Cloud: Indigo | |||
Blue Donkey Kong: Purple | |||
Default Falco: White | |||
White Falco: Cyan | |||
Pink Falco: Purple | |||
Default Fox: White | |||
White Fox: Gray | |||
Default Ike: Brown | |||
Brown Ike: Purple | |||
Default Jigglypuff: Pink | |||
Pink Jigglypuff: Violet | |||
Nurse Jigglypuff: Gray | |||
Gray King Dedede: Monochrome | |||
Default Little Mac: Green | |||
Green Little Mac: Black | |||
Red Lucario: Purple | |||
White Lucario: Cyan | |||
Purple Lucario: Violet | |||
Navy Lucina: Indigo | |||
Navy Marth: Blue | |||
Blue Marth: Indigo | |||
Gray Mega Man: Black | |||
Purple Meta Knight: Galacta | |||
Default Mewtwo: Lavender | |||
Pink Mewtwo: Red | |||
Blue Olimar: White | |||
Alph Red: Alph Tan | |||
Default Pikachu: Yellow | |||
Yellow Pikachu: Black | |||
Purple Pikachu: Glasses | |||
Purple R.O.B.: Pink | |||
White R.O.B.: Cyan | |||
Orange Robin: Yellow | |||
Blue Samus: Cyan | |||
Black Samus: Navy | |||
Purple Sheik: Indigo | |||
Pink Sheik: Purple | |||
Purple Sonic: Pink | |||
Red Sonic: Orange | |||
Brown Toon Link: Chartreuse | |||
Blue Wario: Biker | |||
Red Wario: Biker Red | |||
Yellow Wario: Biker Green | |||
Cyan Wario: Biker Purple | |||
Classic Wario: Overalls | |||
Classic Red Wario: Overalls Red | |||
Classic Cyan Wario: Overalls Cyan | |||
Classic Green Wario: Overalls Green | |||
Default Zelda: Violet | |||
Optional: Every "Grey" should be changed to "Gray". | |||
Changing color names manually messes up the stock icon placements. There should be a way to do that without messing them up. | |||
:This was addressed in the [[Talk:Alternate costume (SSBU)|'SSBU' talk page]] so please do not create the same section in every talk page of every Alt page. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 17:18, April 20, 2021 (EDT) | |||