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Even though I'm an admin, I will still brawl anyone that challenges me, regardless of their skill level. If you want to Brawl me, contact me here or on the IRC. If you wish, you can also ask me for my Pokémon FCs or for my Wii code (to exchange vault data). If you do brawl me and you're the one to host, be sure to set the rules to a 3 stock to 5 stock match with all items turned off (be sure to specifically turn off the smash ball and capsules). While I prefer items in offline FFAs, I do not like them in 1 on 1 matches or online fights (frame delay makes them much more abusable). Be sure to also not choose any banned stages and I would appreciate it if you didn't choose stages under the "counterpick/banned" category. I'm also on the IRC everyday and due to my inconsistent sleeping patterns, you can find me on there in the most unusual of hours.

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That's your zip code in Schenectady, right? You ever make it up to Boston? If you do, let me know. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 04:26, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

My zip code is 12308. Why do you ask? Omega Tyrant 04:32, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

I had heard that at least part of Schenectady was in zip code 12345. Just cool trivia shit. I've actually stayed there before, and driven through/by many times. I've made the Chicago to Boston drive about ten times or so and done shorter drives by there for other things. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 04:36, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

I currently am unable to drive as I do not have a car or a driver's license. So unless I can find a ride from someone, I would be unable to go to Boston. In fact, I've only been out of New York state once in my life. Omega Tyrant 04:46, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

do you mind

is it ok if you can help me on my user page with a poll saying what is the best song in brawl battlefield, menu[super smash bros melee], final destination[super smash bros brawl], pokemon staduim[super smash bros melee], pokemon main theme, luigis mansion, porkys theme, flat zone 2, metroid main theme and green greens[melee] thank you--Ikeruler (talk) 14:50, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

To make it yourself. Just copy this. You should view it in editing mode. Take out the <nowiki> thing

<poll> Question Choice Choice Choice </poll>

<poll> Question Choice Choice Choice </poll> --MegaTron1XD 15:13, July 13, 2010 (UTC) thank you i just have one more quesion how do you get userboxes--Ikeruler (talk) 15:29, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Jigglypuff's D-Air

I know that this move sends grounded opponents upwards, but I can't tell if its a meteor smash on airborne opponents. Chimanruler15 (talk) 04:42, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

In Melee, this attack did contain a meteor smash hitbox. But to my knowledge in Brawl, this attack does not. But since it was in Melee, I'll do some testing of it in Brawl to make sure. Omega Tyrant 04:57, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

I can confirm that Jigglypuff's dair is a Meteor Smash, but only on grounded opponents. The attack has two pairs of hitboxes - they are completely identical in size and position, but the one that hits grounded opponents is a Meteor Smash, and the one that hits aerial opponents is not. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 13:38, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

What about Samus' u-tilt? To my knowledge, it was a meteor smash that could only hit grounded opponents in Melee. In Brawl, it still produces the same pure vertical trajectory on grounded opponents, but with bonuses or KO yells not existing in Brawl, I can't tell for sure if it is. Omega Tyrant 13:42, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, same deal. Only difference is that the Meteor Smash in this case does 1% more damage. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 14:05, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Launch Testing

Can you tell me what launch testing is? I know that it is used for finding meteor smashes because you have mentioned it before. Chimanruler15 (talk) 04:44, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Basically, a hitbox that is a meteor smash is weaker on grounded opponents than airborne opponents. So if you hit someone with a meteor smash and then reset the match to see their launch speed, the launch speed would be higher on the opponent when they are airborne. But in almost all cases, this test is unnecessary as you'll just need to identify the difference between a meteor trajectory and a semi-spike trajectory. Omega Tyrant 04:57, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Brawling

You are a champion brawler and have earned the respect of current Master Tier Brawler Meta Knight. He declares you the best brawler yet.

--MegaTron1XD 22:12, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but what is the precedent for this? Omega Tyrant 10:52, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

For being a great brawler and the best on the wiki so far.--MegaTron1XD 16:41, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Bowser edit

Sorry, OT. I only added it because I didn't see it on the page, but I removed it because it didn't really have anything to do with Bowser. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ederek-Cole (talk • contribs) 16:57 July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ok then, that makes sense. But whenever removing a large amount of information, explain why you did in the edit summary. Also remember to sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~. Omega Tyrant 17:01, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'll do that in the future. Ederek-Cole (talk) 17:04, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

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Sometimes I wonder how I make such mistakes-- thanks. :P Shadowcrest 13:36, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

It's ok dude. Everyone makes mistakes. Especially me :P Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 15:39, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hello again

I do have a relevant question, but first, I did enjoy fighting you yesterday. I had to quit out because the lag on my end made me completely lose control of the Climbers at one point. I didn't want to mention it on IRC because I didn't want to make people think I was simply making excuses. But anyway, on to my question.

Is there a prerequisite number of edits you have to make before you can post a personalized tier list, or am I misunderstanding something? I'm only asking because I'm not sure if everyone is allowed those privileges or if you have to prove yourself a dedicated member of the wiki. Ederek-Cole (talk) 17:59, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

If you mean a competency chart, you can make one whenever you want. Making tier lists is frowned upon by many admins on the site, though it is not technically against the rules-- as long as you don't focus too much on it, it shouldn't be a problem. Just make sure you keep editing important namespaces (main, talk, SmashWiki/talk, etc) and not just your userspace/forums, and nobody should bother you. Shadowcrest 18:02, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Irc ban

Hey, Omega, can you please tell Salad to please unbanned me in the irc? I already talked to him, but now he's not responding. Doc King (talk) 23:00, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Salad blocked you; as such no one else really has a right to unblock you without a really good reason. Also, people can't always make decisions as fast as you appear to be expecting. Being impatient as you are is doing you more harm than good. Toomai Glittershine 00:25, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

My MSN

...is borked, in case you're wondering. Sorry. Mako Shark (talk) 14:25, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Any idea on how long it's going to be unusable? Omega Tyrant 14:32, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

IRC died on me. Mako Shark (talk) 09:32, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, are you completely unable to get back on? Omega Tyrant 09:35, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

At the moment, it seems so. I should really get Google Chrome or something. Mako Shark (talk) 09:36, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Are you using Firefox as your browser? If so, I can provide you with a link to Chatzilla. Omega Tyrant 09:38, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

No, Safari. Mako Shark (talk) 09:40, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Do not revert the Floow edit. It is the truth.

If you go play Brawl's Subspace Emissary on Intense difficulty, and throw a Trophy Stand at Floow when it appears, you can get it regardless. Try it out, before you undo the edit. --Smashbro8 (talk) 06:53, July 27, 2010 (UTC)Smashbro8

I never said it wasn't the truth, didn't you read my edit summaries? The fact is, many enemies can still be captured on intense without being damaged and therefore it is unnecessary to put that in the Floow article. Omega Tyrant 06:58, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Recovery

I am trying to make a recovery table on the recovery page. Should i do it or should i leave it how it is. Zeldasmash (talk) 17:15, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

There is no need for a table on the recovery page. Omega Tyrant 17:17, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

This guy

You weren't around since the last time this guy showed up, so I'll give you the basics: He's been doing the same crap after dozens of warnings so much that any user with his edit pattern (one-sentence opinions at the start of articles or MarioGalaxy's userpage) is immediately permanently blocked. So far we've gotten 38 IPs and 11 accounts out of him, but since he's apparently discovered he can create accounts on other Wikia wikis when blocked, we can't stop him forever. Toomai Glittershine 19:36, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ok then, I thought he was a new user who did not knew how a Wiki worked and assumed that his account wasn't created for the sole purpose of vandalism. I'll keep this mind and permaban any new users in the future who have the same editing pattern. Omega Tyrant 19:50, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

May i..

Can i borrow your tier list version? I hope it does not bother you. Zeldasmash 21:18, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Um, you are already have copied it before and use it in making your first tier list. Also, it's a competency chart, not a tier list. Omega Tyrant 21:49, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry about my edit on the Golden Hammer. Someone wrote butt at the end of the article, so I tried to remove it. I guess I accedently erased the Challoenges section too. Jelloratbob 17:43, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

You didn't remove the challenges section, the vandal did and replaced it with "butt". When undoing vandalism, use the undo button instead of manually removing the information yourself as to ensure all traces of the vandalism has been removed. Omega Tyrant 19:23, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Where are you

You are not logged in. Zeldasmash 01:56, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

I should of said it in the post, but I won't be on until tomorrow. I'm eating now and then I'm going to sleep. So you'll have to wait until tomorrow. Omega Tyrant 02:06, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Trophy articles and such

I've started turning unneeded trophy pages into redirects and disambiguation pages, but there are also a lot of trophy categories (like the Animal Crossing category) and images that aren't needed anymore. I'll tag them as I find them, and you can delete them (or not, with reason) as you see them tagged, but try not to delete any that haven't been tagged yet, since I'm using the categories to do my work systematically. Also, nice user page picture =) Mako Shark (talk)

Alright then, I'll only delete the art8cles and images that you have tagged as to not interfere with your work. Also, thanks for compliment. Omega Tyrant 10:24, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

The Blue Falcon (vehicle) article needs to be deleted, it can't be made into a redirect. Mako Shark (talk) 13:22, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

It has been deleted. Omega Tyrant 13:30, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

I've finished making redirects. You can delete all the categories and the image the old category here: [1]. Mako Shark (talk) 20:18, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'll get on those as soon as I can. Also, great job with the redirects, staying up past 5 AM to work on them. Once again, your work amazes me. Omega Tyrant 20:38, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Red link on main page

Now that you've deleted Category:Trophies, there's a red link on the main page. What should we do with it? Taking it out is the obvious option, but we should probably keep some sort of trophy-related link in its place. Toomai Glittershine 14:38, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Just replace the link with the SSBM and SSBB trophies categories. Omega Tyrant 14:41, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

That "newcommer" IP

I could have told you he wasn't a n00b  :). Anyway, looks like he's on a proxy, so shoot first and ask questions later. Also, the first time I tried to edit this with the IP number, the wikia spam filter wouldn't let me do it, so I think this is a cross wiki vandal... Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 16:00, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Talk: Super Mario Bros. 2

Please settle it. Sir Anon the great 03:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not one with SW anymore

Go ahead and block me then. Do you know how little I ever get on here anymore? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.241.99.171 (talk • contribs) 4:16, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Are you BNK? Anon 05:17, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Um, who are you? Your IP has no contributions or if you're an user, I do not know who you are. Omega Tyrant 05:24, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

JW

Hi, um I'm editing the page Smasher:RPGfan.. I know it's taking me awhile sorry I'm new to this but I would appreciate it if you wouldn't delete it before I put anything on there. He is actually my bf and we are trying to get exposed in the Smash community, which we are in NM but not really nationally or internationally. This is kind of a surprise for him, and of course I'm not doing it just because he is my bf. He is an exceptional Smasher, and prefers Melee. He is undefeated in Las Cruces (a college town mind you) and has placed high in small tournaments. Anyway..so just wondering if you can let me continue without the deletion. Much appreciated. And really sorry for bad editing! Pinkchukks (talk) 11:19, August 23, 2010 (UTC)Pinky

"I'll work on it later" is not an acceptable excuse for making a blank page. If you're going to create an article, fill it with the necessary information, don't just create it with little or no content. As for the article, a smasher must fulfill our notability requirements to be able to have a smasher article on this Wiki. As for smasher articles in general, they are not meant to get a smasher exposed to the Smash community, that is what SWF and AiB is for. Their purpose is to document a notable smasher. Also, him preferring Melee has nothing to do with his legitimacy. Brawl smashers are just as legitimate as Melee smashers. You can attempt to recreate the article, but try to complete it on the first try and provide sources that prove his notability. Simply saying he is a good smasher is not enough to merit a smasher article. Omega Tyrant 12:00, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, please bear with me. Like I said I am new to this. As far as Notability goes, are references allowed? For instance the Super Smash Twins can vouch for him. They have played with him several times as well as they participated in a legal tournament he hosted in Las Cruces. The other person that comes to mind is number five in the SW, however I cannot recall his name. Please do not become frustrated with me, I really am not trying to do any harm. Here is a link if this helps with the case. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinkchukks (talk • contribs) 08:41, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Um, how I was I coming off as frustrated? You said some things I found questionable and I was simply corrected them. As for deleting the smasher page, I was simply following standard procedure. Again, this has nothing to do with frustration. Considering that our notability guidelines are rather vague and lenient, I'm sure he can considered notable enough to get a smasher article. While you don't need to complete the entire article in one go, try to include as much information as you can. Blank pages do no good for the Wiki. Also, listing tournament placings in the article and providing links to verify them would be appreciated. On a final note, remember to sign your comments with four tildes ~~~~. Omega Tyrant 13:03, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help! I really didn't know how to go about things here and I of course don't want to break any rules or anything. Alright will remember that. Pinkchukks (talk) 13:08, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Also, it is standard procedure to include a smasherbeta on a smasher page. Omega Tyrant 13:14, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Crazy how much you can learn in a few hours. Again thanks so much for help and tips! Also do I have to do the ~ when editing a page?Pinkchukks (talk) 13:26, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

No, only sign posts you made on a talk page or forum. You do not and should not leave your signature in an article. Omega Tyrant 13:54, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Why do you do this?

Why do you change links to have more complicated coding? Such as changing [[shield]]ing to [[shield|shielding]]. It's not wrong (in the sense that "color" isn't "wrong"), but I'm wondering why you seem to compelled to do so. Toomai Glittershine 22:06, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I hate the appearance of lettering directly outside the link brackets and I believe it looks better and more sensible with everything inside the link brackets. It is just something minor that annoys me. Omega Tyrant 22:22, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Why?

i am an extreme novice and i have a question. i was making an article about an extremely useful technique, and you deleted it.was it just because i didnt have enough information? constructive criticism is good for me. thank you.

Luc dragon jackel (talk) 14:14, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

We don't really allow those kind of articles. Jumping and performing a dair at the same time isn't really that notable. In the end, you basically do a dair, but with shorter jump distance.--MegaTron1XD 14:29, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

thanks

Luc dragon jackel (talk) 14:37, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

What?

Whatever. Zmario 21:02, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Be more respectful in the future and respond to comments on your talk page there, not on the other user's talk page. Omega Tyrant 21:12, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Fawful is confused. (T_I ?)

Fawful doesn't understand. What does "talking in third/first person" mean? Fawful needs an answer ASAP!

Fawful117 "I HAVE CHORTLES!"

Talking in third person is referring to yourself by name instead of I. Such as, if I were to say, "I like Super Smash Bros." in third person, it'll be "Omega Tyrant likes Super Smash Bros.". Also, sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~ instead of manually inserting your username. Omega Tyrant 17:27, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Four Tildes

Just to let you know, the ~~~~ is just a shortcut into putting in your name and time after every post. The wiki then instantly changes it so it's like as if you typed it manually. Just informing.

SKmarioman 23:27, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Norly man.~~~~ does MegaTron1XD 23:28, September 17, 2010 (UTC) for me.--MegaTron1XD 23:28, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well, what I mean is that in any page where you put four tildes and save it, then go back to editing it for a spelling mistake or something, it will show all this complex stuff as if you put so much work into just putting in your name and time. Take a look at your own one for example.

SKmarioman 00:25, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

That's how it becomes something like that. I did put a lot of work into this.--MegaTron1XD 00:28, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

@SKmarioman Read This. ~~~~ is no shortcut, it is the standard way of signing comments, and signing them in any other way is against our rules. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 02:20, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Floor Attack

I did it to get the full layout for all characters, it's done now. I don't do things for stupid reasons, trust me. And if u don't want me to edit Smashwiki, just tell me, I don't mind, bro. =D Silaeru (talk) 19:11, September 19, 2010 (UTC) Silaeru

No no, I would like you to edit the Smash Wiki, but if you need help with something, ask instead of repeating the act that is causing the trouble. Also, when someone responds on your talk page, it is customary to respond there instead of responding on the their talk page and when you sign your posts, you don't have to manually insert your username after the tildes. Omega Tyrant 19:18, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

This Edit

I did not notice this until now, which is one of the reasons why I don't like it. In the future, can you ask before you edit my user page? DP99 (CTE) 00:30, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Every user has the right to remove the mention of themselves from another's userpage, so no, if I want the mentioning of myself off someone's userpage, I'm going to remove it without "permission". Userpages are not yours and you do not have complete control over them. Omega Tyrant 07:09, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

No, user pages are the user's property. It's like if you went to my house and messed with things while I was not around. The only time it is appropriate to mess with another user's user page without permission (you didn't even let me know, you just went and did it. very disrespectful) is if it breaks policy, and what you took off my user page did not break any policies. DP99 (CTE) 13:22, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

You are mistaken, userpages do not belong to the user, they belong to the Wiki and therefore are the Wiki's property, not the user's, just like everything else on here. Since they belong to the Wiki, they can be edited by anyone. While we do have an unwritten rule that you can't edit other userpages, it is still perfectly fine to remove any mention of yourself from anyone's userpage. Your analogy fails greatly, me removing the mention of myself off your userpage, which belongs to the Wiki, is nothing like me coming to your house and messing with the objects within. Whether you consider it disrespectful or not, I do not care. It was within my full right to remove the mention of myself and if you're going to freak like this for a minor edit to your userpage from another user, then don't create an userpage at all. An userpage is not your own personal space, they're just one of the many pages that this Wiki contains, that belong to no one. Omega Tyrant 13:51, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

I don't feel like reading this whole section atm, but your first sentence was wrong-- talkpages are community pages, userpages are not (assuming they don't violate any policies). Shadowcrest 19:12, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

User pages are the personal space of the user. How would you like it if someone touched your user page without even telling you? The user's user page should not be messed with without permission, unless, like Salad said, it violates policy. That thing you removed broke no policy, so you should have asked before you edited my page. It was not within your full right to remove, and your justification sucks. I can say whatever I want about another user on talk pages or IRC just as long as it breaks no policies, so why not on my user page? DP99 (CTE) 22:09, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

*chuckle* Then undo his edit and say it's your opionion and that he should live with it. I did so with Doc, who was stubborn enough to remove it over and over, plus the fact that his arguments being bad can be generally agreed on. The fact that you avoid talking with OT at this point is a counter to your whole entire (good friend thing). Removing my mention was justified as well, as you can't honestly consider me a friend, knowing that I generally side with OT and agree with him. I also look up to him like an older brother, which would means that I would defend him constantly. Disagree with him and say that he's a good friend, and you won't be logical in anyway to me at all. Agree that he's not a good friend and consider me a good friend will make logical sense.--MegaTron1XD 22:16, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

I like how everything you said had nothing to do with our conversation. We are arguing about the fact that he made the edit witgout my permission, not the edit itself. If he had asked in advance, I would have told him sure, go ahead, you arent a very good friend. However, he went and did it without even telling me first, and he cant accept that he was wrong and should have asked me before he edited my user page. Thats what the problem is here. DP99 (CTE) 22:25, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Then why did you argue about this then? A resolution can be made instantly and you refuse to let him get on with his normal life.--MegaTron1XD 22:33, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Don't you know what a Wiki is? No page on a Wiki belongs to anyone in particular, including userpages. All pages on a Wiki exist to be edited, and are only restricted from editing when necessary. Userpages are not the user's own personal space. I highly suggest you reread the first statement on SW:NOT, which explicitly says "SmashWiki is not a personal profile". So while you claim my justification to "suck", your justification for my edit being a problem is flawed when you have no policy on the Wiki that backs your view up. And no, you can't say whatever the hell you want about another user on your userpage. If you used their name and they don't agree with what you say about them or know it is outright false, they can remove it whenever they want. And quite honestly, if I mentioned another user on my userpage and if that user removed that mention from my userpage, I wouldn't give a fuck. If mentioning them had importance to whatever content their mentioning was part of, I may ask them about it on the IRC channel or somewhere else, but I wouldn't make a big fucking deal out of it on their talkpage. Now I'll ask, why are you making such a big fucking deal over it? I did it over a week ago and now you decide to bitch at me about it? Quite frankly, there is absolutely nothing to complain about. My edit just removed my username from your "Friends List", nothing else. Your userpage looks perfectly fine without my username, so there is nothing at all to bitch about. Now, before you go claiming that your userpage is your "property" and no one can touch it, go find the policy that says userpages are the sole property of the user and no other user is allowed to edit them. But wait, you won't be able to because no such policy exists. So I'll say it once more, if you're going to freak out over another user making such a minor edit to your userpage, then don't create one at all. An userpage is just one of the many pages on a Wiki, and just like any page on the Wiki, can be edited by anyone (except in certain cases). There are much more important things on the Wiki you can put this energy into rather than an absolutely pointless dispute over a simple edit to your userpage that occurred over a week ago. Omega Tyrant 22:42, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe anyone agrees with you as far as "userpages are not the property of the user" is concerned. Shadowcrest 23:37, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

I will however say I do believe that OT has the right to remove his name (in this circumstance). Shadowcrest 23:45, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

K, I'm just going to pop in and say this: many wiki's disagree on policies, but there's one policy that nearly all share, the right a user has to their user page. Wikipedia has this policy, as should we. Now, you claim that a user page is property of the wiki, and legally, yes. But you're forgetting one little thing: they're called user pages, no? Finally, you claim that we're wasting energy for the wiki to argue about this, which is hypocritical considering you're the one writing gigantic posts about this. Sir Anon the great 01:20, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Funny. Considering DP, DP will ask for answers, which will even waste MORE of OT's time, which would last longer then this, perhaps a week or so. Also, you have flawed reasoning. Just because Wikipedia does something doesn't mean we should copy. We are independent, we have wiki affects, awards, and chat rooms on the wiki. Wikipedia does not. They are called user pages because it is what you can edit and nobody would honestly care. Unlike mainspace, which has to have correct links, spelling, and grammar, user pages are like mainspace pages, but now, you can customize it with many things that wiki gives to make it more friendly. The last part is honestly horrible. DP himself has typed more to this then OT, and do you really think that OT would like a message saying he has new messages everyday? Not to mention that DP himself will waste even more time then the time it took OT to write that. So, OT is saving DP and his time.--MegaTron1XD 02:25, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

I did not say that just because Wikipedia has such a policy that we should have the same thing. I mentioned Wikipedia because it is a large wiki, and I used it as a good example of how most wikis have such policies regarding this. In any case, we do have policies based off of Wikepedia. You claim that they are called. Your response about my statement about user pages being user pages does nothing but repeat my point about how the user is free to customize it any way they want. On a final note, much of your argument is about how DP is wasting more time than OT, when he is clearly not. In any case, this discussion is no longer about the specific edit that OT made but, as you may have noticed, about the rights users have to their user pages. Even if a user has a problem about what is on another user's page, they should at least talk to the user in question about the subject first. Think of it this way: a friend leaves an item of his at your house. After going back home and realizing that he left the item there, he turns around and heads back to your house. However, once he reaches there, instead of knocking on your door and telling him that he is getting back his item, he just barges in, takes the item, and leaves without a word. The thing with the user pages is a similar case. Sir Anon the great 03:56, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

I am not interested in continuing this argument, but I did not type more than Omega Tyrant in this argument. Honestly, all he had to do was say, OK, I'll ask next time, but no. Wow, and you arent even adressing Anon's arguments directly and claim his arguments are horrible. What do awards and chat rooms have to do with user pages? Anon's point was that on any Wiki you go to, user pages are the user's personal space that other people don't need to be messing with. which you totally failed to adress DP99 (CTE) 02:46, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

I did adress them. Those are wiki specific to support my wiki isn't a complete rip of Wikipedia, so we don't have to follow all of their rules. Accurately read what the examples are for.--MegaTron1XD 02:46, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

As a note people, can we get back to arguing in a civil fashion. I don't like it when my friends fight, and I don't want this issue to divide us. I suggest that one of us propose a policy or guideline about this. We have a guideline about user talk pages, but not one about user pages. Anon 04:00, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

In similar Anon fashion, you come into an argument that you were not part of and bash me with arguments that are completely irrelevant to what is being discussed. The length of my posts has nothing to do with me being "hypocritical" with me saying this dispute was pointless and it certainly has nothing to do at all with was being discussed. Dr.Pain was the one who came on my talk page first and you think I'm going to just leave an unanswered blob of text that if flawed in so many ways on my talk page? Dr.Pain argued, and I argued back, plain and simple. It has absolutely nothing with me being hypocritical for calling a pointless dispute pointless. And when I am in an argument, I'm going to put whatever I think is needed into each post, regardless of how long it gets and whether or not I think the dispute is pointless. Not backing down from a dispute you think is pointless is not hypocrisy in any way, shape or form. Learn what the word properly means before calling people hypocrites in arguments you have no part of. And now for the userpages. For the last time, userpages are not the user's property. Like Mega said, an userpage and any subpages can simply be described as pages that we let the user decide the content of. However, just because the user gets to decide the content on it, that doesn't mean those pages are the user's property and no other user can edit them. They're just another page on a Wiki and like any page on a Wiki, they can be edited by anyone when they need to be (except in certain cases). Also Anon, just like Dr.Pain's analogy, your analogy is full of failure. First off, an userpage is not the user's property and therefore are nothing at all like the user's house. Secondly, my username being on Dr.Pain's "friends list" is nothing at all like me leaving an item at a friend's house. I never put my username on there and Dr.Pain never asked for permission from myself to include my name on there. So in your analogy, if my username was some object of mine, Dr.Pain basically "stole" my username and never properly acquired it in the first place. So if I wanted to, I could type a wall of text bitching about that on his talk page. But I won't, because it is such a minor and pointless thing to start a dispute about on the Wiki. See, if I were to start an argument about this, then you could claim me to be a hypocrite as I would be the one starting a pointless argument. You see, there's a difference between starting/provoking a pointless argument than defending yourself during one. So all in all, fail analogy is failure that adds nothing at all to what is being discussed.

Now for the final points. Dr.Pain, my username is more of my property than your userpage is your property. You never asked in the first place if you could use it, though I didn't care. But whenever I feel I don't want you using it wherever you are using it, I'll remove it. I won't ask for "permission" as it just unnecessarily prolongs a simple and discrete process that takes seconds and involves the Wiki as little as possible. I removed or revised mentioning of myself on other userpages before without "permission" and I'll continue to do so when I feel it is appropriate to do so. When it comes to userpages in general, they are just pages we let the user decide the content of, a free page for them to test their Wiki skills or whatever on. But just like anything else on Wiki, these pages do not belong to them and they can edited by anyone, which is why there's an option for other users to edit them. If userpages were to be the user's property, then why would all other users have the option to edit them? But the main thing that proves my point is that there is no policy that explicitly says "Userpages are the user's personal space". In one of ours existing policies (SW:NOT), it explicitly says "SmashWiki is not a personal profile". So while you attack Mega for not properly addressing Anon's points, both you and Anon fail to address mine. You failed to show me something written on a policy/guideline in place on our Wiki that says what you guys been saying this whole time while there is an existing policy in place that I can interpret the meaning of to back my points. You two must learn how to debate properly. Simply stating "userpages are the users property" while providing failed analogies and completely ignoring whatever I said does not make that so. While I think this is the most pointless dispute I ever been in, I'll continue until you shut the hell up, admit that you're wrong and back down, or can actually provide an argument that refutes my points with strong backing that I myself am incapable of refuting. And one last thing, I said twice already, but I'll say it again, if you're going to freak out, bitch, whatever over another user making such a minor edit to your userpage that doesn't harm its content in anyway without your "permission", then do not create an userpage at all. Omega Tyrant 12:19, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Side note: What kind of dialect do you have that prompts you to say "an userpage"?

Main note: Despite it being a technically failed policy, I'm going to link to this. We have no active comparable policy, and even though it's not implemeneted, it's very similar to the unwritten rule that everyone except OT is assuming/expecting. Actually, I don't know why that policy is listed as failed, since there doesn't appear to be any discussion about it (it should be "proposed" at least). Also, even if there isn't a rule against editing someone else's userpage, the community appears to agree that it's generally rude, and that you probably should have at least said "I"m going to remove myself because yadda yadda" on the user's talk page.

Primary note: If you've going to call your opponent a "bitch" in an argument, you're not going to get much respect from anyone. Toomai Glittershine 13:03, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

First off, I never called anyone a "bitch", there's a difference between saying someone is bitching about something and directly calling them a bitch. So do not make false claims of me calling someone something I did not. I do not fall down to name calling.

Secondly, failed policy is failed policy, it has no standing on the Wiki. Until that policy is passed or another one is that explicitly sates userpages are the user's property, they are not.

Thirdly, you didn't address all my points. You basically just said what DP and Anon have been repeating, except you tried to use a failed policy, which has no standing whatsoever on the Wiki, to back your argument. Now explain why it was so wrong for me to remove my username from Dr.Pain's userpage (who never asked for "permission" to use it in the first place) without "permission" when doing so would have just unnecessarily prolonged a simple and discrete process that would involve the Wiki as little as possible.

Fourthly, you use "an" before a vowel sound and "u" produces one, so I use "an" before userpage. But the thing is, whether that is grammatically correct or not, has nothing to do with the argument and it was completely pointless to bring up.

Fifth, I'm not the only user who thinks userpages are not the user's property. Didn't you read Mega's posts earlier? I'm certain there are other users who would agree with me on this, so do not assume you know exactly everyone's opinion on it when you do not. And finally, why would any page on a Wiki be the "property" of anyone in particular? Omega Tyrant 13:27, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

@Omega Tyrant: Your username is not like an object at all. While it is technically yours, other people are free to use it however they want like a real name. I could complain about how no one calls me by how I want to be called (you guys all call me Dr. Pain or DP, read this. I honestly don't care though.), and it would be just as stupid as you complaining about me using your name on my user page. Two Main Points: I will bitch about my user page because it is mine and I want you to say, "ok, ill ask next time." Seriously, thats all i want. Maybe you should just follow our unwritten rule about user pages instead of me not making one. Second: You say I'm bitching about you making an edit to my user page and shouldnt make one because of that i should not make one, yet your justification for editing my user page was that I used your name (in a positive way, too), which I can use whenever I want unless it breaks policy. Omega Tyrant, see I just used your name, and no harm done. If your going to complain about a user using your name, then you shouldnt even have an account. DP99 (CTE) 13:37, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, I have always called you Dr.Pain99 or DP99 until now, after I stop caring. Secondly, I did not complain about my name being used. I brought it up as a point of reference since a username is certainly closer to being an user's property than their userpage is and there's a difference between using someone's username on a talk page and on your userpage. Thirdy, the unwritten rule is basically that it's rude for other users to edit someone else's userpage without "permission" but that doesn't mean other users can never edit your userpage under any circumstance. But the thing is, it's nothing but an unwritten rule and therefore it can be interpreted anyway you want it to be. But your userpage for the last time, is not your property. There is nothing written in any of our standing policies that says so. Therefore, your userpage is not your property and you do not have complete control over it. Until a policy does pass that says your userpage is your personal space, it is just another page on the Wiki that while the user gets to decide the content of, other users can still edit if they feel it's appropriate. I felt it was no longer appropriate for you to consider me a friend so I removed it in one quick edit without involving the rest of the Wiki in something it didn't need to be involved in. So in the end, no, I'll not say "ok, I'll ask next time" or give you any sort of apology. Your userpage is not your "property" as you have nothing written that says so and I found the use of my username in it to be inappropriate, so I removed it. I did it before, and I'll continue to do so. You keep trying to use some "unwritten rule" and your own assumption on something to back your argument, which needless to say, is logically flawed. Omega Tyrant 14:03, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

The reason I misinterpreted your use of the word "bitch" was because of the rigid commas surrounding it, which has only one meanning as I read it.

"Userpage" is pronounced with a consonental [j] (like "yes"), so it should have "a", not "an". I wouldn't have brought it up if I wasn't confused by the useage of it.

Thirdly, I think OT has the better argument, even though I think he's wrong in principle. Doc King was blocked for edit warring on Mega's userpage with the argument that it's Mega's userpage and he should have greater control of it; do you really want to have to argue that?

Finally, I think we should all just shut up and get over it, even though nothing's been solved and everything will get worse if when this happens again. Toomai Glittershine 14:14, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

In response to the Doc incident, have he been removing his username and mentioning of him entirely, then I would have supported him during it. But he was just removing the part about his argument, which comes across to me as him just wanting himself to be represented the way he wants to be on Mega's userpage. As I see it, userpages are just pages that the user gets to decide the content of. While they have more "control" over it than other users, they do not have complete control to where no other user can edit it without permission regardless of the circumstances. So while a user may be in "control" over the content of their userpage, they do not own it and still can't do anything they want with it. If they mention another user on their userpage that the user in question doesn't agree with, finds inappropriate, and/or knows it is incorrect, they are within their full right to remove it. I recently removed from Zeldasmash's userpage mentioning that I'm a professional smasher, when under definition, I'm not, and no one made a fuss about that. Have I been around during the Doc incident, I may have intervened by just removing the entire mentioning of Doc from Mega's userpage. But I wasn't and Doc ended up getting blocked. Omega Tyrant 14:36, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Let's go back to what this argument is about. DP99 did not disagree with you about the edit, he merely stated that in the future you should inform him. You, however, responded saying that you have the right to remove any mention of yourself on his userpage that you disagree with. Then it got into a huge deal about user page rules. As I am going to state again, by their very name, user pages belong to the user. Unless a part of the userpage violates one of Smashwiki's policies, there is no reason to remove it. Your claim about me comming into an argument I have no part and stating irrelevent things is in itself irrelevent, as Salad, Mega, and Toomai "had no part" in the argument beforehand. The length of your posts does have to do with your hypocracy on the issue as you were claiming that that we were all wasting time and that you were not, even though the length of your posts obviously shows that you have put in more effort into this than us. You also claim that DP99 "argued" first, even though this is false. As stated above, he merely requested that you inform him in the future before doing things like that. Instead of saying something like "OK, I'll leave a notice on your talk page before I edit your userpage" you went on about how his userpage isn't his property. If after this you still refuse to do this, then I agree with Toomai that this is going nowhere, and I will not continue this. Either way, I'm done here. Mr. Anon teh awsome 01:15, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Pointless post is pointless. For the last fucking time, userpages are not the user's property, there is nothing written in our standing policies that says so. Secondly, the length of my posts has nothing to do at all with me being a hypocrite. I never said Dr.Pain was wasting my time while I was not wasting any, I said this was a pointless dispute, which it was. But just because I think the dispute is pointless, it does not mean I'm a hypocrite for putting a full effort into my arguments. Thirdly, Dr.Pain was the one who started this dispute. He came on to my talk page, telling me how I should "ask" before any edits to someone else's userpage and I simply explained how no "permission" was necessary in the edit I made. Dr.Pain then proceeded to say I was wrong and ramble about how his userpage is his "property", which led to all this. As you can see, my first post was far from a wall of text that "went on about how his userpage isn't his property" and Dr.Pain was still the one who started the dispute, so stop trying to pin this all on me. While you can say I should have apoligise and say "sorry, I'll never do that again", Dr.Pain could have simply backed off or mention his mistake in assuming that his userpage was his "property". So you see, I can too say someone else should have done something else to avoid this dispute. I also love how just like you always do, you failed to properly address all my points while reasserting the same argument I have already refuted. Now, before you post again, actually fully read all of the previous posts and provide an argument that refutes mine instead of restating the same refuted statement over and over again while using ad hominem attacks. All in all, while pointless indeed, I will not leave a post like this on my talk page directed at me unanswered. Omega Tyrant 01:41, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

I've already told you, I'm no longer going to be involved in this. Now that I've cooled down, I see your reasoning, although I still hold that user pages are a user's property. Again, it would be nice if we could have a policy about this. Someone else would have to write it, since I don't have time to compose such a policy. Mr. Anon teh awsome 02:50, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

And as I said, I will not leave a post directed at me on my talk page such as the one you made unanswered. If you didn't want to be involved in this any longer, you shouldn't have posted your recent post in the first place. Omega Tyrant 02:54, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

As I've pointed out more than once, nobody that I can see agrees that userpages are not the property of the user. Feel free to continue relying on a sole point to hinge your argument upon that the wiki doesn't support, and while you're at it, please continue raging, it really makes your argument as a whole sound better. Shadowcrest 02:22, September 24, 2010 (UTC)