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== Let's settle this like civil people. == | == Let's settle this like civil people. == | ||
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I dissagree with what XXXXX 1st said. It's a wee bit tricky to make a fighting game with 39 different characters and not expect tiers to form. But I do agree with CarbonKirby that it depends partly on the certain people's playstyles. In Melee, I mained DK, and I did pretty darn well. And a couple of people I know are just awesome with Link. The point is, even if tiers do exist, don't let that change your mind about maining Pichu. If he fits your playstyle, use him, instead of trying to adapt to Fox.Ari 16:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC) | I dissagree with what XXXXX 1st said. It's a wee bit tricky to make a fighting game with 39 different characters and not expect tiers to form. But I do agree with CarbonKirby that it depends partly on the certain people's playstyles. In Melee, I mained DK, and I did pretty darn well. And a couple of people I know are just awesome with Link. The point is, even if tiers do exist, don't let that change your mind about maining Pichu. If he fits your playstyle, use him, instead of trying to adapt to Fox.Ari 16:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
All tiers ever do is cause arguments and competition. There is no way that Nintendo wanted this | |||
to happen. We should just say that tiers don't exist, never did, and leave it at that.[[User:Captain Monty|Captain Monty]] ([[User talk:Captain Monty|talk]]) 17:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
==SSBB tier list== | ==SSBB tier list== | ||
Can some get a link or some type of proof OTHER than someones's word on whether or not this is really the tier list? How do we know this wasn't created just to start more fighting? and just because if it was leaked doesn't mean it's final. Prove it is final in the back room somehow otherwise it's coming down as unverified info. [[User:Carbonkirby|Carbonkirby]] 18:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC) | Can some get a link or some type of proof OTHER than someones's word on whether or not this is really the tier list? How do we know this wasn't created just to start more fighting? and just because if it was leaked doesn't mean it's final. Prove it is final in the back room somehow otherwise it's coming down as unverified info. [[User:Carbonkirby|Carbonkirby]] 18:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I'm for removal; until the Back Room makes a post on the subject in the general area, then anything up until that point is in especial flux. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[ | :I'm for removal; until the Back Room makes a post on the subject in the general area, then anything up until that point is in especial flux. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 20:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
:: Thanks to anyone who removed the tier ranks. I thought i had gotten them all >.> [[User:Carbonkirby|Carbonkirby]] 23:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC) | :: Thanks to anyone who removed the tier ranks. I thought i had gotten them all >.> [[User:Carbonkirby|Carbonkirby]] 23:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
Ganondorf is a good character in melee. if you get hit on the ground at 100% you're dead and its easy to land if you're careful. killermarth.5333 <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:207.225.51.30|207.225.51.30]] ([[User talk:207.225.51.30|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/207.225.51.30|contribs]]) 21:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)</small> | Ganondorf is a good character in melee. if you get hit on the ground at 100% you're dead and its easy to land if you're careful. killermarth.5333 <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:207.225.51.30|207.225.51.30]] ([[User talk:207.225.51.30|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/207.225.51.30|contribs]]) 21:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)</small> | ||
: Isn't this section on Brawl, not Melee? | |||
::The entire list hasn't been flushed out, but from what I've seen, it's pretty clear that Metaknight and Snake are the two best characters. [[Special:Contributions/207.172.84.58|207.172.84.58]] 05:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | ::The entire list hasn't been flushed out, but from what I've seen, it's pretty clear that Metaknight and Snake are the two best characters. [[Special:Contributions/207.172.84.58|207.172.84.58]] 05:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::: ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? Everybody says that, and the only reason is because they're popular characters with cool moves, and since their popular, people will use them and do well with them, virtually ignoring every other character! It's the the same with Captain Falcon! That's why people think Jigglypuff and Yoshi suck, because nobody bothers using them like they do Meta Knight, Snake, or Falcon! | ::: ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? Everybody says that, and the only reason is because they're popular characters with cool moves, and since their popular, people will use them and do well with them, virtually ignoring every other character! It's the the same with Captain Falcon! That's why people think Jigglypuff and Yoshi suck, because nobody bothers using them like they do Meta Knight, Snake, or Falcon! Ari 21:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::Meta Knight I agree with, but ''Marth'' could kick Snake out of Top Tier and into Low Tier! [[User:ParaGoomba348|ParaGoomba348]] ([[User talk:ParaGoomba348|talk]]) 14:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::: Gotta agree with you. Ari 15:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
Think about it, the better you think you are, the better you become, if you think that Fox | |||
owns, against Yoshi than you will own, but really , tiers are garbage, your skill, not the | |||
characers potential, is all that matters. That, and a bunch of random events that may or may | |||
take place. [[User:Captain Monty|Captain Monty]] ([[User talk:Captain Monty|talk]]) 01:28, 23 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Holy S&%t == | == Holy S&%t == | ||
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*The characters are really balanced. My [[User:RikoTheFoxKid/SSBB Tier List|Custom Brawl Tier List]] is constantly changing. But I still think that one will come out eventually. --[[User:RikoTheFoxKid|Riko]] ([[User talk:RikoTheFoxKid|talk]]) 18:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC) | *The characters are really balanced. My [[User:RikoTheFoxKid/SSBB Tier List|Custom Brawl Tier List]] is constantly changing. But I still think that one will come out eventually. --[[User:RikoTheFoxKid|Riko]] ([[User talk:RikoTheFoxKid|talk]]) 18:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
[[Tires don | [[Tires don exits]]. [[User:XXXXX|XXXXX]] ([[User talk:XXXXX|talk]]) 20:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Tiers exist! Lets take the match-up Marth vs. Ike. Marth is more on speed, Ike is more on power. Marth is light, but Ike is heavy. Marth could run in circles around Ike and run after an attack, and stay in one spot while Ike tries to catch up to him, and Marth could use his powerful Forward Smash. After Ike hits the ledge, Marth could edge-guard him until he dies, as Ike's recovery is weak. However, if a professional Ike player played against a rookie Marth player, I would put take my chances on the Ike. Tiers only have things to do with characters' differences. In my Tier list, I put Ike at the bottom for being slow, having slow attacks, having weak recovery, and overall being a bad character! So as you can see, I'm a pro-tier. [[User:ParaGoomba348|ParaGoomba348]] ([[User talk:ParaGoomba348|talk]]) 14:48, 20 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
:As you know, I agree that Marth is a stud and Ike ain't that good. But I would like to point out that tiers are ''NOT'' based on individual matchups, but on a complete ranking against all characters. For example, Marth was a counter to Fox, but Fox was a counter to many more characters, so Fox was higher tier. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 16:10, 20 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
I keep thinking which characters are best, but I keep realizing how balanced it is. I would say snake is up there though... 1 on 1, he is very hard to play on team battles though. - [[User:Ashran111|Ashran111]] ([[User talk:Ashran111|talk]]) 03:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC) | I keep thinking which characters are best, but I keep realizing how balanced it is. I would say snake is up there though... 1 on 1, he is very hard to play on team battles though. - [[User:Ashran111|Ashran111]] ([[User talk:Ashran111|talk]]) 03:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
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::Theres gotta be some way to stop people from putting a brawl tier list on this page without locking the entire page, its obvious it will take a while for an official one to form. - [[User:Hatake91|Hatake91]] ([[User talk:Hatake91|talk]]) 20:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC) | ::Theres gotta be some way to stop people from putting a brawl tier list on this page without locking the entire page, its obvious it will take a while for an official one to form. - [[User:Hatake91|Hatake91]] ([[User talk:Hatake91|talk]]) 20:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::There's really no other way. And it wasn't just the tier list. People kept adding things about how (they think) tiers won't be important. Most of these people have never even watched a game of competitive smash and didn't even understand what they were talking about. It was also the subject of a lot of vandalism. When an official and stable tier list comes out, we'll add it and maybe see if this page can go back to semi-protection... [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 15:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
I agree with GalaxiaD. I know Snake is not the best. I know Captain Falcon is not the worst. I liked where Marth was and Ike (poor Ike). Mainly because Ike's no good. [[User:ParaGoomba348|ParaGoomba348]] ([[User talk:ParaGoomba348|talk]]) 14:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
I'm gonna have to agree with Galaxia on this one [[User:Kirbo987|Kirbo987]] ([[User talk:Kirbo987|talk]]) 13:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC) | I'm gonna have to agree with Galaxia on this one [[User:Kirbo987|Kirbo987]] ([[User talk:Kirbo987|talk]]) 13:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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I think it's Amazing Superhero, always be sure to sign your post with four of these, whatever they are ~. Tide? Tile? Tilde? A squiggly thing. [[User:Ike6481|Ike6481]] ([[User talk:Ike6481|talk]]) 21:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC) | I think it's Amazing Superhero, always be sure to sign your post with four of these, whatever they are ~. Tide? Tile? Tilde? A squiggly thing. [[User:Ike6481|Ike6481]] ([[User talk:Ike6481|talk]]) 21:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
Hey guys! I know it can be my fault this confussion, but that list isn't a tier list it's a ranking based over tournaments placing. An, Snake is at the top because alot of players win tournaments with him, and Captain Falcon was (because he lifted up in the list a little) at the bottom because not much people wins tournaments with him.--[[User:Jigglypuff is God|Jigglypuff is God]] ([[User talk:Jigglypuff is God|talk]]) 14:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
== My Tier Opinion == | == My Tier Opinion == | ||
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One, I protected the page specifically so that people ''couldn't'' put up unverified claims like that. Two, read [http://www.sirlin.net David Sirlin's] writing on balancing multilayer games. He proves that it is impossible. Three, Yoshi has ''never'' been the last tier character. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 17:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC) | One, I protected the page specifically so that people ''couldn't'' put up unverified claims like that. Two, read [http://www.sirlin.net David Sirlin's] writing on balancing multilayer games. He proves that it is impossible. Three, Yoshi has ''never'' been the last tier character. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 17:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
Four.Remember that tiers are mostly based on and for Professionals and well rounded amateurs.So its not only about skill but mindgames as well.And Snake is in no way going to be the top tier in the backroom's tier list, and if he is I'm pretty sure half of the smash community is gonna go on a rampage and undoubtedly make their own tier list. - [[User:Hatake91|Hatake91]] ([[User talk:Hatake91|talk]]) 15:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
I guess that's true, but most of the comments on Smashboards, Gamefaqs, and YouTube are basically accepting Snake being the best as fact, which worries me. I don't like the direction they're going in. - [[User:GalaxiaD|GalaxiaD]] ([[User talk:GalaxiaD|talk]]) 18:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
Well, let's wait what have to say the pros. Snake have chances of being Top Tier. I don't like him, but it's intelligent to say that Snake had been owning the tournament scene. I mean, who can somebody that wins alot more than the others ends as middle tier, excuse me but that doesn't make any sense. And GalaxiaD, Smashboards, Gamefaqs and YouTube are the best Smashing forums. If they choose an option, I'm pretty sure it will be the right one. If you don't diasgree, leave your opinion, but remember, it's just an opinion, and there is no good or wrong opinions, only different. | |||
--[[User:Jigglypuff is God|Jigglypuff is God]] ([[User talk:Jigglypuff is God|talk]]) 22:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
The only reason Snake wins so many tournaments is because so many people use him and stick with him. Now, if people were this dedicated with Jigglypuff... Ari 15:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
Tiers? | |||
Pssh. [[User:Cafinator|Cafinator]] ([[User talk:Cafinator|talk]]) 04:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
You still don't get it, do you. Tiers don't exist. It's just an excuse made up to explain why more people should play with specific characters. Tier destroy eactly what smash brothers was made for.Having fun,no to | |||
prove who is best out of all of them.[[User:Captain Monty|Captain Monty]] ([[User talk:Captain Monty|talk]]) 17:06, 23 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
==I told you so...== | |||
My tier list came close to the SBR one. In fact many people have argued with me that C.Falcon was NOT the worst. I should've betted on that... [[User:ItemHazard|ItemHazard]] ([[User talk:ItemHazard|talk]]) 02:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC) | |||