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-{{notice|We understand that tiers are a point of contention among members of the Smash community. However, this page discusses the tier lists that the Smash Back Room have posted. These are accepted by almost every high level player, and as such are important and notable content to this wiki. Discussion on this talk page should be limited to the content of the page, not to debate on the ordering of tiers, '''we report the tier lists, we don't decide them'''. If you want to discuss the tier lists, go to these forums; ([[Forum:Tier List Discussion (Smash 4)|forum for Smash 4]], [[Forum:Tier List Discussion (Melee)|forum for Melee]]). If you want to argue tier placements, take it to Smashboards, not here.
+{{notice|We understand that tiers are a point of contention among members of the Smash community. However, this page discusses the tier lists that the Smash Back Room and other similarly-authorative sources have posted. These are accepted by almost every high level player, and as such are important and notable content to this wiki. Discussion on this talk page should be limited to the content of the page, not to debate on the ordering of tiers, '''we report the tier lists, we don't decide them'''. If you want to discuss the tier lists or argue tier placements, take it to another website, not here.
 Additionally, '''do not use this page to argue about the existence of tiers'''. If you firmly believe tiers do not exist and are intent on changing the Wiki's stance about it, go see the argument we have on it on [[User:Semicolon/Treatise on the Existence of Tiers|this page here]], and thoroughly refute the treatise on its talk page, do not argue it here.}}
-<big>'''Simplified version of the above:  <span style="color:green">Don't edit this page unless you have something to contribute about ''what'' the SBR said and the content of this article. We don't care if you disagree with them or tiers in general.</span></big>'''
+<big>'''Simplified version of the above:  <span style="color:green">Don't edit this page unless you have something to contribute about ''what'' our tier list sources have said and the content of this article. We don't care if you disagree with them or tiers in general.</span></big>'''
 ==Where is Ultimate's tier list?==
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 Could we post well known ultimate tier lists or ones done by popular YouTubers/streamers? Like MKleo’s and pro guides? Or would that break some sort of rule? ([[User:XxP1NKxX|XxP1NKxX]] ([[User talk:XxP1NKxX|talk]]) 19:07, October 2, 2021 (EDT))
 :Tier lists here are supposed to reflect what the entire community currently thinks. Adding a tier list from only one player does not reflect what the entire community thinks. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 19:09, October 2, 2021 (EDT)
+Okay, what about one from pro guides (or something similar) that is stat or system based instead? I can understand problems from just picking some professional players ([[User:XxP1NKxX|XxP1NKxX]] ([[User talk:XxP1NKxX|talk]]) 19:13, October 2, 2021 (EDT))
+:Pro guides has been infamously unreliable from what I know in the past. Other stat and system-based tier lists are also generally not as reliable. We're [[Forum:Tier list debate 2020: Part 1|currently doing an overhaul/major change to what tier lists we report]], and with DLC being completed by the end of the year, I'd doubt we have a concrete tier list here for at least another year or so. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 19:18, October 2, 2021 (EDT)
+Okay, cool. I just thought that I’d put my thoughts out there. ([[User:XxP1NKxX|XxP1NKxX]] ([[User talk:XxP1NKxX|talk]]) 19:20, October 2, 2021 (EDT))
+== New Brawl Tier List ==
+Recently, the Brawl Bois community (basically the hub of SSBB discussions, who's player rankings have been accepted by the wiki) have worked on creating a new tier list. It has involvement from currently active players, former pros, and other respected players. As such, I think it'd be suitable for replacing the wiki's currently used tier list, but I'd like to make sure. If it does get accepted, I'll be available to edit any pages that need to be edited. [[User:Ehnkr2beboh|Ehnkr2beboh]] ([[User talk:Ehnkr2beboh|talk]]) 9:41, 16 September 2022 (EST)
+== Tier list debate 2020 ==
+I've been waiting years for the follow up to the tier list debate from 2020 (https://www.ssbwiki.com/Forum:Tier_list_debate_2020:_Part_1), and then suddenly there's a new Ultimate tier list posted to the page without any discussion. [[Special:Contributions/76.84.37.87|76.84.37.87]] 23:46, March 22, 2023 (EDT)
+:There was a discussion about it [[Forum talk:Tier list debate 2020: Part 1|here]]. In short, during the time period in between, PG stats stepped forward as a replacement for the SmashBoards tier list organization, as in fact they were the organization responsible for the [[List of SSBM tier lists (NTSC)#Thirteenth tier list (March 29th, 2021)|current Melee tier list]]. However, PG stats' tier list was cancelled due to several controversies with the organization, then in the end UltRank stepped up to take their place. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="#0BF">Ultimate Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 00:33, March 23, 2023 (EDT)