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+I feel a condensed article for metal and gold versions of characters would work the best. We could even add Tanooki ones too and things like that. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RobbyB3ll4s|contribs]]) 17:42, 2020 February 10</small>
 ==So...==
 A thought dawned on me. Due to the differences between versions, should we include the 3DS version's Metal Box characters as well, or would that be overkill? [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 23:05, 11 January 2016 (EST)
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 ::::::That might not be possible, considering Aidan uploaded over them. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 13:51, 16 January 2016 (EST)
 :::::::Yea they're not new files, they're just new images over old ones. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 13:52, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+::::::::Tag them for deletion, re-upload them (copy them to your computer first if you don't already have them on your device), put them on the page. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 13:53, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+<small>(Reset indent) </small> Why does it matter if I do that? [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 13:54, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+:In principle, having to hard refresh to see the correct image shouldn't be a thing? It's not difficult, but I don't have the time to do it right now, that's why I'm suggesting that someone should do that. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 13:56, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+::So you're asking me to do a multistep task to avoid having to simply press Command-R (or F5 if you're on PC)? ...Your logic is a bit flawed. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 13:57, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+::Caching is a thing that exists. Hard refreshing or using the [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Metal_Box/Character_gallery&action=purge purge command] isn't hard. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:01, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+:::Not really. It's not a matter of "It's not hard, you can just do this to correct this." Must we have a notice on the top of the page saying "To see the right image for the Mii Fighters on this page, please hard refresh?" It's a matter of making the page better, a matter of things not being the way they should be, but in response, improving it. It's very small, yes, but it's something that could be improved and I don't think one should have to refresh the page to see the right information, or in this case, the information we desire to present. Logic: Hypothetically, you go to a character page, like Greninja. You see its damage output on its page. Turns out you have to refresh the page to see the current damage output from the latest update. Shouldn't that be there from the start? Would you want that?
+:::Anyways, I didn't know about purging so thanks for that Miles. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 14:04, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+::::...I think you're missing the point. Most people who work on this wiki would know by going through the Recent Changes if an image gets updated; that said, if the image present on a page is not, then they refresh it. As for people without an account, they actually get the most recent version of the image right from the get go (if memory serves). [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 14:08, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+::::I should have clarified earlier that I was logged out looking at the page, and that I didn't see the intended images right from the get-go. I did when I refreshed though. Idk I just think it'd be more "professional" if you could actually see what is intended to be on the page from the start. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 14:13, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+:::::As I said before, so do I. But that's just the way things are. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 14:14, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+::::::But it's fixable. I'll probably just do it myself tonight '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 14:15, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+<small>(Reset indent) </small> I'd avoid that. After a few days, it usually fixes itself. Just leave it be. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 14:17, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+:Ah, and it was just uploaded yesterday lol. Wow I'm dumb sometimes lol '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 14:20, 16 January 2016 (EST)
+== Additional screenshots? ==
+So I've been thinking, and I decided I wanted to put this to a vote because I'm rather torn: Should certain costumes have screenshots as well? I don't mean costumes with minor changes, I mean very clear differences. Here's some of the ones I mean:
+#Cloud's Advent Children costume
+#Wario's classic costume (Would apply to both Brawl and SSB4)
+#Potentially the majority of Villager's costumes
+#Bayonetta's "Witch With No Memories" outfit when she's released
+#Hoodie Mac
+Some optional (but unlikely to be used) ones are:
+#Swimsuit Shulk
+#Pikachu hats (Would apply to all games if so)
+I'm okay with it if it's either supported or opposed, I just would like to see what everybody thinks before doing something like that. If supported enough, I can supply the 3DS screenshots almost immediately, but someone else would have to do the Wii U screenshots. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 00:31, 28 January 2016 (EST)
+:My official opinion is '''eh'''. This page is already sort of a fun bonus thing, more than anything. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:33, 28 January 2016 (EST)
+:Echoing Miles. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 01:39, 28 January 2016 (EST)
+:I, on the other hand, support it. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] <font color="Black">'''The 70's called. They said'''</font> [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou was here :v'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 02:00, 28 January 2016 (EST)
+::Sure, I'd be fine with that. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 07:04, 28 January 2016 (EST)
+:::Unless anybody has any objections, I'll be getting around to this today. I'll be skipping out on Swimsuit Shulk and the Pikachu hats though. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 14:02, 30 January 2016 (EST)
+== Deletion ==
+After having tagged Gold Fighter/Character gallery for deletion on the grounds that it was unnecessary, I had it pointed out to me that we also have this gallery of all the fighters in their metal form. As with the gold fighters gallery, I have tagged this page for deletion, and since this was the article created first I think this is where I should make the case for its deletion. Simply put, there is nothing of value, either informatively or of interest, about having a gallery with an image of every single fighter in their metal form. As is stated in [[SW:NOT]] "SmashWiki uploads a few sets of assets for use on our wiki (such as head icons, alt pallets, victory themes, etc), as well as oddities or interesting sprites and sound clips (such as unused content), but it is not to contain every asset in the game". Palette swaps are an example of a good exception to this policy, as they are unique to every fighter, they often contain references or easter eggs, and they are commonly used in competitive play, even being a part of many smashers' identities. As such, having a collection of all of them is both informative and interesting. Unlike palette swaps however, metal forms are entirely homogenous, in the sense that every character's model is affected in exactly the same way, simply replacing all textures with the metal texture. All that is necessary to provide information about the nature of the effect is perhaps one or two images from each game only, as once you have seen one metal fighter, you have essentially seen them all. There are also no other interesting or unique features of specific metal fighters other than metal Mario appearing in games outside the Smash Bros. series, and there is no tournament legal representation of metal fighters in competitive play, so this case cannot be made for this gallery being kept either. Finally, having a gallery such as this one puts us in a situation in which we are either being inconsistent with our treatment of statuses, or in which we should have to make a gallery for every status condition, including giant, frozen, flowered etc. in the name of consistency.
+For the reasons outlined above, I believe that this gallery, along with the gold fighters gallery, should be deleted. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 19:57, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
+:Bumping this. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 03:47, July 16, 2019 (EDT)
+::'''Support''': like you said, it’s the same texture for every character. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 05:56, July 16, 2019 (EDT)
+::'''Support''': And also [[False character/Character gallery]].--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 14:52, July 16, 2019 (EDT)
+::'''Strong Oppose''': It shows what all characters are like when metal. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164{{#if:|_({{{3}}})}}|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is made in America  11:45, August 16, 2019 (EDT)
+:::Yes, that is the purpose of the article, but this has no place on SmashWiki. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 11:53, August 16, 2019 (EDT)
+:<s>'''Oppoing''' deletion for this page. Gold fighter gallery though I'm neutral. <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 20:11, November 11, 2019 (EST)</s>
+:'''Support''': Only a few images are really needed, like Mario and Mr. Game and Watch (the latter because the metal interestingly makes him appear 3D due to how the model is normally flattened). Those few images can be ported to the [[Metal Box]] page. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:46, December 4, 2019 (EST)
+:'''Delete this and the Gold gallery (possibly the false one too), then put the images in the galleries of each character's respective fighter pages'''. There is no real reason to compare each character to each other making this article a bit on the pointless side, but I don't see a need to delete all of these images. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 12:22, December 3, 2019 (EST)
+::On second thought, changing to '''neutral leaning towards delete'''. The images shouldn't be deleted though, instead moved to the characters' pages. <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 18:42, December 4, 2019 (EST)
+:::I'll echo supatoad64 and Serpent King's points that while '''the page should be deleted''', we should move the character's images to their respective pages. While the gallery is generally unnecessary (would work better on the Metal Box and Gold Fighter pages, but even then it's just fluff that floods the page), the images can definitely be repurposed. --[[User:Plague von Karma|Plague von Karma]] ([[User talk:Plague von Karma|talk]]) 01:53, December 10, 2019 (EST)
+::::I agree with SerpentKing, supatoad and Plague here. The images in this gallery can definitely be put to good use elsewhere. Even if SmashWiki isn't a resource repository, there are already plenty of screenshots in many fighter galleries that can be considered relatively "miscellaneous," so why not add pictures of actual in-game assets to them and de-clutter the wiki of useless galleries while we're at it? '''Voting to delete this gallery and move each of its images to their respective fighter's article. (and to possibly do the same for the Gold + False fighter galleries as well)''' [[User:Acgamer28|Acgamer28]] ([[User talk:Acgamer28|talk]]) 14:52, January 20, 2020 (EST)
+I don't see what place the images would have on the fighter pages rather than the page relating to the actual powerup. '''It's all or nothing''' for me. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 18:53, December 4, 2019 (EST)
+'''Support''' - We don't need a full-blown gallery for what is simply a texture effect. - [[User:Searingjet|Searingjet]] ([[User talk:Searingjet|talk]]) 19:37, December 14, 2019 (EST)
+'''Delete''' Yeah I retract what I said above, there's not really a point in keeping these around. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 13:26, February 20, 2020 (EST)
+I '''oppose''' deleting this page, but if consensus agrees to delete it, I support putting the Metal, Gold, and False character pictures on each character's page. - [[User:Mega Mario Man|Mega Mario Man]] ([[User talk:Mega Mario Man|talk]]) 03:55, February 25, 2020 (EST)
+Alright, this discussion's lasted for almost a year now, so I intend to resolve this soon. If anyone has any last input, I advise providing it today. Right now the fate of both the Metal Box and Gold Fighter galleries aren't looking good, but I'm willing to hear out any arguments against axing them before I resolve this. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 12:31, March 29, 2020 (EDT)