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How are we gonna go about this? I could see a case for keeping them merged a la [[Pokemon Trainer]], but Red and Leaf are traditionally just genderswaps of the same character (with only Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee depicting them otherwise, and the female trainer there is debatably not the same person) like Robin/Corrin, whereas all of these characters are technically different characters with different histories. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 13:46, June 11, 2019 (EDT) | How are we gonna go about this? I could see a case for keeping them merged a la [[Pokemon Trainer]], but Red and Leaf are traditionally just genderswaps of the same character (with only Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee depicting them otherwise, and the female trainer there is debatably not the same person) like Robin/Corrin, whereas all of these characters are technically different characters with different histories. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 13:46, June 11, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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:I'll give my final thoughts on Eleven vs Luminary. I think either is a fine name to pick. In my experience, I see more fans call him Eleven then the Luminary but maybe the users in the discord have seen Luminary more. Though, I would like to give some thoughts on the name Luminary, because while it's 90% associated with the hero of DQXI, that's not the only place the term has been used in Dragon Quest. When DQII got a mobile port and thus a modern localization, they gave it the subtitle "Luminaries of the Legendary Line". So, the Dragon Quest localization team might be using Luminary to refer to people related to the line of Erdrick. Granted, from what I remember the word Luminary is used nowhere in the actual game. The term Luminary is also used in a completely different context in DQ. In games that use the vocation (class) system, there's a class called "Luminary" which isn't related to heroes at all. Luminary is being used in the sense of a star, like a movie star; it's a show-offy support class that can charm the enemy. The original Japanese name is "Super Star," so they don't have any relation outside of the localizations, but it's something to keep in mind. --[[Special:Contributions/68.97.103.59|68.97.103.59]] 14:44, June 13, 2019 (EDT) | :I'll give my final thoughts on Eleven vs Luminary. I think either is a fine name to pick. In my experience, I see more fans call him Eleven then the Luminary but maybe the users in the discord have seen Luminary more. Though, I would like to give some thoughts on the name Luminary, because while it's 90% associated with the hero of DQXI, that's not the only place the term has been used in Dragon Quest. When DQII got a mobile port and thus a modern localization, they gave it the subtitle "Luminaries of the Legendary Line". So, the Dragon Quest localization team might be using Luminary to refer to people related to the line of Erdrick. Granted, from what I remember the word Luminary is used nowhere in the actual game. The term Luminary is also used in a completely different context in DQ. In games that use the vocation (class) system, there's a class called "Luminary" which isn't related to heroes at all. Luminary is being used in the sense of a star, like a movie star; it's a show-offy support class that can charm the enemy. The original Japanese name is "Super Star," so they don't have any relation outside of the localizations, but it's something to keep in mind. --[[Special:Contributions/68.97.103.59|68.97.103.59]] 14:44, June 13, 2019 (EDT) | ||
I object to the Hero of XI being called Luminary. Promotional material refers to him as Eleven. In game characters call him Luminary in which that is his title but the character itself is always named Eleven in both American and Japanese promos. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PitplustwoisPittoo|PitplustwoisPittoo]] ([[User talk:PitplustwoisPittoo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PitplustwoisPittoo|contribs]]) 14:11, June 13, 2019 (EDT) | I object to the Hero of XI being called Luminary. Promotional material refers to him as Eleven. In game characters call him Luminary in which that is his title but the character itself is always named Eleven in both American and Japanese promos. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PitplustwoisPittoo|PitplustwoisPittoo]] ([[User talk:PitplustwoisPittoo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PitplustwoisPittoo|contribs]]) 14:11, June 13, 2019 (EDT)</small> | ||
:A quick tip, use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign your comments. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:32, June 13, 2019 (EDT) | :A quick tip, use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign your comments. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:32, June 13, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::Then it would seem, as ironic as it is to say, that the names we put in place while this discussion happened didn't need to be changed at all. I will still wait for anyone to say something contradictory, should they feel the need to do so, but if no one speaks up, then I will be removing the notices on account of a consensus being reached based on evidence from people familiar with this franchise. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 14:59, June 13, 2019 (EDT) | ::Then it would seem, as ironic as it is to say, that the names we put in place while this discussion happened didn't need to be changed at all. I will still wait for anyone to say something contradictory, should they feel the need to do so, but if no one speaks up, then I will be removing the notices on account of a consensus being reached based on evidence from people familiar with this franchise. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 14:59, June 13, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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This argument has gone on for way too long. Let’s just abandon it until Hero releases so that we can decide then. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 14:11, June 15, 2019 (EDT) | This argument has gone on for way too long. Let’s just abandon it until Hero releases so that we can decide then. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 14:11, June 15, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:I would have to agree with waiting. However, someone suggested on Banjo & Kazooie's talk page to combined the 3 Links as they are technically the same character, as well as Samus with ZSS, and Mario with Dr. Mario. They also suggested seperating the three Links, Zeldas, and two Ganondorfs as they are technically different characters. I mention that as it is very similar to the situation with Hero. I'm perfectly fine waiting to sort the Heroes until they come out, but I can't say for others on the wiki. [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 16:00, June 15, 2019 (EDT) | :I would have to agree with waiting. However, someone suggested on Banjo & Kazooie's talk page to combined the 3 Links as they are technically the same character, as well as Samus with ZSS, and Mario with Dr. Mario. They also suggested seperating the three Links, Zeldas, and two Ganondorfs as they are technically different characters. I mention that as it is very similar to the situation with Hero. I'm perfectly fine waiting to sort the Heroes until they come out, but I can't say for others on the wiki. [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 16:00, June 15, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::Yeah, if we decide to create character pages no need to consider the Fighter's design, this means that character pages like Link are really worth revisiting. But what do you mean by seperating?--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 05:42, June 16, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::I was under the impression that someone on the Banjo & Kazooie talk page had suggested giving each iteration of Link (OoT, TP, BotW) their own page. But I feel the characters from the ''Zelda'' series are different from the Hero from the ''Dragon Quest'' series. Link is suppose to be Link, regardless of which ''Zelda'' game it is, which is why it would be kind of strange to seperate them. The only reason why Toon Link and Young Link have separate pages is because they are classified as different playable characters (''Smash'' and ''Hyrule Warriors''), same with Samus and Zero Suit, or Mario and Dr. Mario. Zelda, Sheik, and Tetra each have their own page (''Smash'' and ''Zelda'' Wikis) as they were intended to be separate characters despite technically all being Zelda. | |||
:::One of the problems we have with the Hero is that we do not know if we should classify them under the role of Hero, as they seem to be in ''Smash'' (4 of them anyway), or as the individuals they are. (I do '''not''' believe this is the same situation as the ''Zelda'' character) This mainly seems to stem from the fact that most of them don't have official names, which is a ''different'' topic. Or at least, that's where I think the confusion comes from. Since the situation currently doesn't seem to be going anywhere, I think we should hold off until the Hero is released, regardless if we happen to end up back to where we were with how ''Smash'' classifies them. [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 13:39, June 16, 2019 (EDT) | |||