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 :*There are no tethers in Melee; this would drag a new term into its world.
 :In my opinion, for this rename to be worth the effort of changing across the template space, it would have to be the sort of improvement that's clear and obvious across the board. I don't think this is it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Honcho 14:50, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
+::You said it yourself that the name of this page matched ''almost'' all other move inputs. These rules have exceptions and we need to be willing to bend or break the rules to accommodate for the exceptions where it's necessary. I believe this is a necessary case.
+::As for your examples, Luigi is the ''only'' character with a zair but no tether recovery, not one of a handful. While the point about Ivysaur's tether is true, aerial tether implies that, unlike Ivysaur's Vine Whip (or any other special move for that matter), it can ''only'' be used in the air, which is true of these attacks. And while Melee lacks tether recoveries, the term "tether" has still become series standard for long-ranged grabs, to the point where even in Melee tutorials, commentaries, and general discussion you will still see the term 'tether grab' used much more often for Samus/Link's grabs.
+::By far the most common term for this type of attack is "zair", but obviously we can't name an article that in the same way we can't name an article fair or bair, and I still firmly hold that the term grab aerial doesn't work. Aerial tether, I believe, is what we should name this article in the absence of an apparent official term in order to most clearly communicate what the attack is.
+::Outside of this wiki I had never heard the term "grab aerial" even used a single time before I did a [https://www.google.com/search?ei=pmlHXe6RBtCisAWb9KeYAw&q=%22grab+aerial%22+smash&oq=%22grab+aerial%22+smash&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i39.29878.31262..32553...0.0..0.91.179.2......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71..12%3A0j13%3A0.9S65oiPKOU8&ved=0ahUKEwju_MrerurjAhVQEawKHRv6CTMQ4dUDCAo&uact=5 Google search]. Now I have seen it on a scattered handful of SmashBoards and Q&A posts, but the vast majority of this term's usage comes from this wiki and searching "smash grab aerial" off of this wiki and Smashpedia will net you almost across the board a list of literal midair grabs, mods that implement them, etc. [[File:Nymbaresigicon.png]] [[User:Nymbare|<span style="color:#00BFFF">Nymbare</span>]] [[User talk:Nymbare|<span style="color:#0066FF">and his talk</span>]] 19:39, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
 Apparently the official term for grab aerials is '''grab attack''', used in Tips. I don't think it is a good name for a page though, and I don't really see the issue with the current one, it's already a common enough name. [[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 17:27, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
+:"Grab attack" is actually the official name for pummels. I believe it's another instance of naming an attack based strictly on its input having potential shortcomings and causing confusion, and is one of the exceptions to that rule that the wiki has already adopted. [[File:Nymbaresigicon.png]] [[User:Nymbare|<span style="color:#00BFFF">Nymbare</span>]] [[User talk:Nymbare|<span style="color:#0066FF">and his talk</span>]] 19:39, August 4, 2019 (EDT)