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::::Personally, I think the move can only be considered truly unique if the function is vastly different. For example, despite Electroshock Arm having a different move, all it does differently is launh at a lower angle. Roy’s Double edge dance is the same as Marth’s, despite having a different last hit. Meanwhile, Ganondorf’s entire moveset is completely different from Falcon’s in every way possible (frame data, damage, knockback, particle effects, etc.), with the exceptipn of his aerials,grabs, and two of his specials being the same in animation. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 11:39, March 13, 2019 (EDT) | ::::Personally, I think the move can only be considered truly unique if the function is vastly different. For example, despite Electroshock Arm having a different move, all it does differently is launh at a lower angle. Roy’s Double edge dance is the same as Marth’s, despite having a different last hit. Meanwhile, Ganondorf’s entire moveset is completely different from Falcon’s in every way possible (frame data, damage, knockback, particle effects, etc.), with the exceptipn of his aerials,grabs, and two of his specials being the same in animation. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 11:39, March 13, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:::::Well, it's not so obvious to me, because different launch angles also means different combos, and that's an important difference for some players. Meanwhile, you could say that having different damages is just a parameter and doesn't have that much impact on the short term gameplay. It's actually hard to give a strong definition to the notion of "similarity" because it's a very subjective word. But yet again, my initial comment was about how it may be time to remove the animation of the equation. I strongly feel that when people started to use the word "clone", they were initially mostly complaining about characters that were similar gameplaywise. But I have no evidence, it's just how it felt to me back then. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 16:14, March 13, 2019 (EDT) | :::::Well, it's not so obvious to me, because different launch angles also means different combos, and that's an important difference for some players. Meanwhile, you could say that having different damages is just a parameter and doesn't have that much impact on the short term gameplay. It's actually hard to give a strong definition to the notion of "similarity" because it's a very subjective word. But yet again, my initial comment was about how it may be time to remove the animation of the equation. I strongly feel that when people started to use the word "clone", they were initially mostly complaining about characters that were similar gameplaywise. But I have no evidence, it's just how it felt to me back then. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 16:14, March 13, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::::::Our main objective is to capture what the ''playerbase at large'' thinks, and I would say it's fairly clear that many people "over-rate" characters as being clones using animations and special move mechanics only; a huge population called Wolf a clone in Brawl just because of his special moves, and Lucina was accepted as a clone quickly after her SSB4 trailer having no gameplay knowledge other than her animations being Marth's. In fact, I would wager (but cannot prove) that the vast majority of players do not care what function is when deciding for themselves whether a move/character is a clone. (It cannot be debated that function does not matter for at least the Melee clones, such as Falco, so this view is not without factual basis.) But we need to balance that with the need to be ''accurate'', and I'd say it's fairly evident that things such a "Wolf is a clone" are not accurate, which is why the additional categories were created: to try and capture the nuances between "character is cloned pretty much entirely", "character is cloned but also has their own things", and "character isn't really a clone (only in some ways) but a lot of people will tell you they are". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 06:51, March 14, 2019 (EDT) | |||