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-Byleth is the only character I could find with a confirmed surname to not have that surname as either part of the page name nor the lede. I realize that most FE characters are mononymous; however, so are most Street Fighter characters, and that didn't stop us from giving Ken Masters his page name. Three Houses seems to be an exception in mononymity anyways, as a majority of the characters mention their last names constantly, such as Ferdinand von Aegir in his battle quotes. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelgard_von_Hresvelg Edelgard von Hresvelg], the main antagonist of 3H, has a Wikipedia page under her full name. I also realize [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byleth_(Fire_Emblem) Byleth also has a Wikiedia page, without the surname as the page name], but 1. The Eisner surname is listed in the lede anyways, and 2. Smashwiki and Wikipedia are different, as Wikipedia strives to list the most notable stuff, while to my understanding Smashwiki's goal is to list everything.
+Byleth is the only character I could find with a confirmed surname to not have that surname as either part of the page name nor the lede. I realize that most FE characters are mononymous; however, so are most Street Fighter characters, and that didn't stop us from giving Ken Masters his page name. Three Houses seems to be an exception in mononymity anyways, as a majority of the characters mention their last names constantly, such as Ferdinand von Aegir in his battle quotes. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelgard_von_Hresvelg Edelgard von Hresvelg], the main antagonist of 3H, has a Wikipedia page under her full name. I also realize [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byleth_(Fire_Emblem) Byleth also has a Wikiedia page, without the surname as the page name], but 1. The Eisner surname is listed in the lede anyways, and 2. Smashwiki and Wikipedia are different, as Wikipedia strives to list the most notable stuff, while to my understanding Smashwiki's goal is to list everything. [[User:Unnamed anon|Unnamed anon]] ([[User talk:Unnamed anon|talk]]) 14:24, March 1, 2023 (EST)
+:'''Oppose'''. While most characters in ''Three Houses'' emphasize their full names, Byleth does not. Granted, that's probably because Byleth is named [INSERT NAME HERE] in ''Three Houses'', but even so they're never referred to as "[INSERT NAME HERE] Eisner". Outside of FE3H, whenever they go by their canonical name, it's just Byleth. I don't think the surname Eisner is ever canonically applied to Byleth4. At least, not to my knowledge; if I am wrong, please inform me. But at least, going off [https://agoddamn.tumblr.com/post/689527232069287936/is-byleth-ever-actually-referred-to-as-byleth this Tumblr post and its replies], it sounds like a (logical) fan extrapolation instead of anything definitively stated in canon.
+:Regardless, characters like Samus Aran, Fox McCloud, Simon Belmont, and Cloud Strife are well-known by their full names outside of ''Smash''. I don't think most fans would recognize Eisner as Byleth's surname, and instead simply think of them as just Byleth. Besides, if we were to rename this article "Byleth Eisner" because Eisner may be their canonical surname despite never being used as such, it could potentially open the door to renaming Zero Suit Samus and Dark Samus to "Zero Suit Samus Aran" and "Dark Samus Aran"... or maybe even Mario and Luigi to "Mario Mario" and "Luigi Mario"! Okay, yes, I admit that's a slippery slope argument, but it's an example of other pages that don't use surnames that are canonically supported (Zero Suit Samus, Mario, Luigi) or would logically make sense as an extrapolation even if it's never used (Dark Samus), much like Byleth's surname Eisner. -[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 23:31, March 1, 2023 (EST)
+:'''Oppose''', the problem is that Byleth is never referred to with a last name in Three Houses and most fans just call them Byleth while characters in-game them professor or teacher. It’s not like other characters like Samus and Terry where their last names are well known. [[File:ThegameandwatchIcon2.png|20px]] [[User:Thegameandwatch|<span style=" color: Green;">'''Thegameandwatch'''</span>]] [[File:Thegameandwatch signature icon.png|20px]] [[User talk:Thegameandwatch|''<span style="color: blue;">The Nerd </span>'']] 09:23, March 2, 2023 (EST)
+::'''Oppose''', as per above. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 13:52, March 2, 2023 (EST)
+:::I was not aware that Byleth is never referred to by their surname. I rescind the request. [[User:Unnamed anon|Unnamed anon]] ([[User talk:Unnamed anon|talk]]) 16:25, March 2, 2023 (EST)