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[[File:MarthDSpecialSSBU.gif|thumb|400px|Hitbox visualization showing Marth's down special, Counter.]]
[[File:MarthDSpecialSSBU.gif|thumb|400px|Hitbox visualization showing Marth's down special, Counter.]]
[[File:MarthDSpecialAttackSSBU.gif|thumb|400px|Hitbox visualization showing Marth's down special, Counter, when attacking.]]
[[File:MarthDSpecialAttackSSBU.gif|thumb|400px|Hitbox visualization showing Marth's down special, Counter, when attacking.]]
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==Overview==
==Overview==
Marth's [[down special move]] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' is '''[[Counter]]''', a move that involves posing for a couple of seconds. If the opponent hits Marth with an attack at the correct moment, Marth will throw out a counterattack. While this can be used as a surprise move in certain situations, it is usually rather [[punish]]able and easy to whiff. It also doesn't grant much followup ability if it does hit, making it a rather rarely-used move in competitive play. It can [[gimp]] certain recoveries, such as {{b|Screw Attack|move}}, [[Fire Fox]], and [[Fire Bird]], because these moves put out hitboxes which trigger the counterattack. However, some moves which put out these hitboxes may also move these characters too quickly. An example is {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}, whose uncharged up special moves him past Marth at the point a Marth facing Sephiroth would ordinarily counterattack. In this scenario, turn around first before activating Counter, and you may have better success gimping such characters.
Marth's [[down special move]] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' is '''[[Counter]]'''. If the opponent hits Marth with an attack at the correct moment, Marth will throw out a counterattack. While this can be used as a surprise move in certain situations, it is usually rather [[punish]]able and easy to whiff. It also doesn't grant much followup ability if it does hit, making it a rather rarely-used move in competitive play.
 
It can [[gimp]] certain recoveries, such as {{b|Screw Attack|move}}, [[Fire Fox]], and [[Fire Bird]] as their active hitboxes can trigger the counterattack. Some moves may also move the opponent too quickly, such as {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}, whose uncharged up special places him past Marth before he can counterattack. In this scenario, a turnaround Counter can be used.


==Hitboxes==
==Hitboxes==
The move's true base damage is equal to 1.2× of the countered attack's damage, with a minimum of 8% and a maximum of 50%. Additionally, the hitboxes ignore any kind of [[armor]], and they play an additional sound effect on hit if an attack that deals at least 13% is countered, which is shared with [[Critical Hit|Marth's Final Smash]].
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==Timing==
==Timing==
===Counter===
===Counter===
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|65
|65
|-
|-
!Animation length
!Animation length (grounded)
|71
|71
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!Animation length (aerial)
|79
|}
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{{FrameStripStart}}
{{FrameStripStart}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=5}}{{FrameStrip|t=Defensive|c=22}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=37}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=7}}
!Grounded {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=5}}{{FrameStrip|t=Defensive|c=22}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=37}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=7}}{{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=8}}
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|-
{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=65}}
!Aerial {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=5}}{{FrameStrip|t=Defensive|c=22}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=37}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=15}}
|-
!Hurtboxes {{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=73}}
{{FrameStripEnd}}
{{FrameStripEnd}}


===Hit===
===Attack===
Upon countering an attack, Marth immediately transitions to the first frame of this state, in which he freezes for 21 frames alongside the opponent before the counterattack proceeds.
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!Interruptible
!Interruptible
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!Animation length
!Animation length
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{{FrameStripStart}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=33}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=11}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=34}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=10}}
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{{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=8}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=43}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=8}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=43}}
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{{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|defensive=y|hitbox=y|interruptible=y|vulnerable=y|intangible=y}}
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==Parameters==
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!Horizontal speed multiplier on startup
|0.5
|-
!Air friction
|0.0025
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!Gravity
|0.04
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!Fall speed
|1.2
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!Counter hitlag on activation
|21 frames
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!Counter damage multiplier
|1.2
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!Counter minimum damage
|8%
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!Counter maximum damage
|50%
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!Counter bubble size
|10.5u
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!Counter bubble bone
|top
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!Counter bubble offsets
|[0, 10, 0]
|}


{{MvSubNavMarth|g=SSBU}}
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