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'''Ganondorf''' ({{ja|ガノンドロフ|Ganondorofu}}, ''Ganondorf'') is a playable character in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''. He was officially revealed alongside {{SSBU|Ryu}} and the rest of the returning roster on June 12th, 2018 during E3 2018. Like in games prior to {{forwiiu}}, he is [[unlockable character|unlockable]], instead of being available from the [[starter character|start]]. Ganondorf is classified as [[Fighter number|Fighter #23]].
'''Ganondorf''' ({{ja|ガノンドロフ|Ganondorofu}}, ''Ganondorf'') is a playable character in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''. He was officially revealed alongside {{SSBU|Ryu}} and the rest of the returning roster on June 12th, 2018 during E3 2018. Like in games prior to {{forwiiu}}, he is [[unlockable character|unlockable]], instead of being available from the [[starter character|start]]. Ganondorf is classified as [[Fighter number|Fighter #23]].


{{s|wikipedia|Takashi Nagasako}}, after having previously voiced Ganondorf in ''{{s|zeldawiki|The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time}}'', ''{{s|zeldawiki| The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker}}'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'', reprises his role in all regions with new voice clips that sound more akin to the former game, replacing {{s|wikipedia|Hironori Miyata}}'s portrayal from ''The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess'' used in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''.
{{s|wikipedia|Takashi Nagasako}}, Ganondorf's voice actor from ''{{s|zeldawiki|The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time}}'' and ''{{s|zeldawiki| The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker}}'' (and by extension,  ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''), reprises his role in all regions, providing new voice clips that mimic his portrayal from ''Ocarina of Time'' rather than using re-purposed voice from the game as in previous ''Smash'' games. In ''Ultimate'', Nagasako succeeds {{s|wikipedia|Hironori Miyata}}, who previously succeeding him in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'' by re-purposing his voice clips from ''The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess''.


Ganondorf is ranked dead last on the [[tier list]], at 82nd out of 82, in the D- tier. This is a slight drop from his already very low placement in ''Smash 4'', where he was tied with {{SSB4|Zelda}} at 52nd/53rd out of 54, and gives him the dubious distinction of being the only character ranked last for the NTSC and European tier lists of two different games, the other being ''[[Brawl]]''. It should be noted that his placement does not equate to the same level of unviability as in previous games, as he is overall more viable than in ''Brawl'' and ''Smash 4''. However, despite noteworthy improvements to his raw power over ''Brawl'' and ''Smash 4'', Ganondorf's core weaknesses continue to hold him back drastically compared to the rest of the roster: his terrible frame data and slow movement give him severe difficulty in approaching and escaping disadvantage, several of his moves have small or poorly placed hitboxes which results in poor range or glaring blindspots, and his recovery is among the worst in the game.
Ganondorf is ranked dead last on the [[tier list]], at 82nd out of 82, and is the only character in the E- tier. This is a slight drop from his already very low placement in ''Smash 4'', where he was tied with {{SSB4|Zelda}} at 52nd/53rd out of 54, and gives him the dubious distinction of being the only character ranked last for the NTSC and European tier lists of two different games, the other being ''Brawl''. Despite this, it should be noted that his placement does not equate to the same level of unviability as in previous games, as he is overall more viable than in ''Brawl'' and ''Smash 4''.  
 
As with tradition, Ganondorf possesses one of the hardest-hitting movesets in the game, with noteworthy improvements to his raw power over previous games; this makes him one of the most formidable fighters when it comes to KOing. In addition, many of his infamously weak moves have been buffed to be more effective; [[Dark Dive]] is now a capable [[out of shield]] and KO option, Grounded [[Wizard's Foot]]'s sweetspot and sourspots have been reversed and make it effective for KOing, and [[up tilt]] is significantly faster. Finally, Ganondorf now has access to his sword from the ''SpaceWorld 2000 GameCube Tech Demo'', which provide him with extremely powerful and wide-arced smash attacks that easily KO below 100%, with forward smash being one of the strongest in the game, and up smash being able to cover an entire platform above him and hit ledge hangs with the front hit. Overall, Ganondorf still excels at what he does best: ending stocks in a few hits.
 
However, Ganondorf's core weaknesses continue to hold him back drastically compared to the rest of the roster. His terrible frame data and slow movement give him severe difficulty in approaching and escaping disadvantage, which is especially problematic due to ''Ultimate''{{'}}s emphasis on faster-paced and projectile-focused combat. His shield safety is lacking despite his high shield pressure, while his grab and throws are still extremely weak despite his overall power, having short range and unable to KO easily. Several of his moves also have small or poorly placed hitboxes which results in poor range (with hitbox adjustments making some of them worse than previously) or glaring blindspots (with some such as Dark Dive having worse hitboxes than [[Falcon Dive]], its equivalent move from {{SSBU|Captain Falcon}}). His recovery is among the worst in the game due to Dark Dive's low distance, and despite it not causing [[helplessness]] when it connects, opponents are able to slowly [[gimp]] Ganondorf simply by getting grabbed deliberately to push him backwards. Finally, some changes remove some of his only situational moves that allow him to play [[mindgame]]s: his new up smash is no longer able to bait reactions nor is safe on shield if spaced, up aerial's shorter duration makes gimping with the late hitbox more difficult, and aerial [[Flame Choke]] can now be escaped by [[button mashing]] while also KOing Ganondorf first if used as a [[sacrificial KO]].
 
Overall, Ganondorf's issues collectively give him significant problems in the [[neutral game]]: the majority of the roster can outspeed him in almost every degree, his offstage survivability is extremely poor and limited to air dodge mix-ups, while his strengthened power does not help him approach nor give him many options to defend himself, resulting in him struggling to make use of his excellent raw power and KO ability. Because of these factors, while the community had high hopes for Ganondorf in the early metagame, his competitive reception plummeted as the metagame evolved and his weaknesses became much more exploitable, and he has sat at the very bottom of the first two official tier lists.


==How to unlock==
==How to unlock==
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|usmashname=Heavens Slayer ({{ja|天上斬|Tenjōzan}}, ''Heavens-Above Slash'')
|usmashname=Heavens Slayer ({{ja|天上斬|Tenjōzan}}, ''Heavens-Above Slash'')
|usmashdmg={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|24}} (sword), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|21}} (arm)
|usmashdmg={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|24}} (sword), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|21}} (arm)
|usmashdesc=An overhead 180° arcing sword slash from front to back similar to {{SSBU|Ike}}'s up smash. Deceptively large vertical reach, reliably punishing airborne or rolling opponents, and its starting frames hit slightly underneath the stage, allowing it to hit ledge hangs. Very powerful, with the sword hitbox KOing opponents around 85%. Deals more than half shield health uncharged and can nearly break them if fully charged. However, it is Ganondorf's second-slowest smash attack, coming out at frame 20 and has 37 frames of ending lag, making it punishable. Has a blindspot right in front of his leg, and its rear hitboxes end just above the ground. Potent out-of-shield move against rising aerials or unsafe attacks.
|usmashdesc=An overhead 180° arcing sword slash from front to back similar to {{SSBU|Ike}}'s up smash. Deceptively large vertical reach, reliably punishing airborne or rolling opponents, and its starting frames hit slightly underneath the stage, allowing it to hit ledge hangs. Very powerful, with the sword hitbox KOing opponents around 85%. Deals more than half shield health uncharged and can nearly break them if fully charged. However, it is Ganondorf's second-slowest smash attack, coming out at frame 20 and has 37 frames of ending lag, making it punishable. Has a blindspot right in front of his leg, and its rear hitboxes end just above the ground, meaning it is fully incapable of hitting {{SSBU|Snake}} and {{SSBU|Wii Fit Trainer}} when they are crouching.<ref>[https://twitter.com/MGK_Ganondorf/status/1189105269290106880]</ref>. Thanks to its massive arc, and the fact that Ganondorf's hitboxes lower while he is preparing the slash, it is a potent anti-air, and lets Ganondorf put immense pressure on opponents on platforms. Also a good out-of-shield move against rising aerials or unsafe attacks due to its relatively fast startup.
|dsmashname=Linked Strikes ({{ja|連携突|Renkei Totsu}}, ''Linkage Thrusts'')
|dsmashname=Linked Strikes ({{ja|連携突|Renkei Totsu}}, ''Linkage Thrusts'')
|dsmashdmg={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|5}} (hit 1), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|15}} (hit 2)
|dsmashdmg={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|5}} (hit 1), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|15}} (hit 2)
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''See also: [[:Category:Ganondorf players (SSBU)]]''
''See also: [[:Category:Ganondorf players (SSBU)]]''
 
*{{Sm|Gungnir|Japan}} - A notable Wi-Fi Ganondorf player who regularly performs well on [[Smashmate]], ranking as high as 5th on the [https://smashmate.net/record/37/ 14th] Smashmate SP ranking. He has seen some success offline, such as placing 2nd at the regional {{Trn|NUMASUMA 8}} defeating {{Sm|Ly}} and 33rd at the major {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 9}}. He also notably created the "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=GZ56AEjrkzo Gungnir Combo]".
*{{Sm|Gungnir|Japan}} - A notable Wi-Fi Ganondorf player who regularly performs well on [[Smashmate]], ranking as high as 5th on the [https://smashmate.net/record/37/ 14th] Smashmate SP ranking. He has seen some success offline, such as placing 2nd at the regional {{Trn|NUMASUMA 8}} defeating {{Sm|Ly}} and 33rd at the major {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 9}}.
*{{Sm|Komegura|Japan}} - One of the best Ganondorf players in the world in the post-pandemic metagame. His 25th-place finish at {{Trn|UltCore}} is the highest placement for a Ganondorf player at a major since the early metagame, and he has also placed well at several other events, such as 33rd at the supermajor {{Trn|Kagaribi 7}} defeating {{Sm|Jagaimo}}.
*{{Sm|Litany|Canada}} - The best Ganondorf player in Canada. Placed 13th at {{Trn|The Amuka Smash Cup}}, 65th at {{Trn|Get On My Level 2019}}, and 97th at both {{Trn|Frostbite 2019}} and {{Trn|Frostbite 2020}} with wins on players such as {{Sm|Jw}}, {{Sm|Smokk}}, and {{Sm|tamim}}. Currently ranked 2nd on the [[York Region Power Rankings#Super Smash Bros. Ultimate|York Region Power Rankings]],
*{{Sm|Litany|Canada}} - The best Ganondorf player in Canada. Placed 13th at {{Trn|The Amuka Smash Cup}}, 65th at {{Trn|Get On My Level 2019}}, and 97th at both {{Trn|Frostbite 2019}} and {{Trn|Frostbite 2020}} with wins on players such as {{Sm|Jw}}, {{Sm|Smokk}}, and {{Sm|tamim}}. Currently ranked 2nd on the [[York Region Power Rankings#Super Smash Bros. Ultimate|York Region Power Rankings]].
*{{Sm|Komegura|Japan}} - One of the best Ganondorf players in the world in the post-pandemic metagame. His 25th-place finish at the {{Trn|UltCore}} is the highest placement for a Ganondorf player at a major since the early metagame, and he has also placed well at several other events, such as 33rd at the supermajor {{Trn|Kagaribi 7}} defeating {{Sm|Jagaimo}}.
*{{Sm|Major|USA}} - One of the two best Ganondorf players in the world in the post-pandemic metagame with several strong results, including 9th at {{Trn|ALOHA BEACHES}}, 17th at {{Trn|Daddy’s Den X Supreme}} defeating {{Sm|Scend}}, and 33rd at both the majors {{Trn|Port Priority 7}} and {{Trn|Ultimate Fighting Arena 2023}}.
*{{Sm|Major|USA}} - One of the two best Ganondorf players in the world in the post-pandemic metagame with several strong results, including 9th at {{Trn|ALOHA BEACHES}}, 17th at {{Trn|Daddy’s Den X Supreme}} defeating {{Sm|Scend}}, and 33rd at both the majors {{Trn|Port Priority 7}} and {{Trn|Ultimate Fighting Arena 2023}}.
*{{Sm|Rickles|USA}} - One of the best Ganondorf players in the world from the early metagame to 2021. He was one of the first to show notable Ganondorf results at supermajors with several solid performances such as 33rd at {{Trn|Riptide}} and 65th at {{Trn|Frostbite 2020}} defeating {{Sm|Lima}} and {{Sm|Rivers}}.
*{{Sm|Rickles|USA}} - One of the best Ganondorf players in the world from the early metagame to 2021. He was one of the first to show notable Ganondorf results at supermajors with several solid performances such as 33rd at {{Trn|Riptide}} and 65th at {{Trn|Frostbite 2020}} defeating {{Sm|Lima}} and {{Sm|Rivers}}.
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Public opinion on Ganondorf during ''Ultimate''{{'}}s early metagame was high due to improvements to his flaws from previous games, with some players comparing him to his [[Ganondorf (SSBM)|''Melee'' self]]. This positive opinion was supported by {{Sm|Nairo}}'s surprise yet successful usage of the character against {{Sm|Light|p=Connecticut}} at {{Trn|Collision 2019}}, which led many players to believe that Ganondorf was viable, or at least better than what he was in the previous two games.
Public opinion on Ganondorf during ''Ultimate''{{'}}s early metagame was high due to improvements to his flaws from previous games, with some players comparing him to his [[Ganondorf (SSBM)|''Melee'' self]]. This positive opinion was supported by {{Sm|Nairo}}'s surprise yet successful usage of the character against {{Sm|Light|p=Connecticut}} at {{Trn|Collision 2019}}, which led many players to believe that Ganondorf was viable, or at least better than what he was in the previous two games.


However, this positive perception did not last long as more players noted issues regarding his gameplay: he still has severe difficulty in approaching, recovering, and escaping disadvantage. Despite the buffs he received in the transition, his matchup spread remains atrocious, as most other characters from the previous game retained similar tools to overwhelm him, such as {{SSBU|Pikachu}}, {{SSBU|Palutena}}, and {{SSBU|Cloud}}. This was compounded with how Ganondorf mostly received minor changes in patches while other low-tier characters received significant buffs. As a result, Ganondorf's playerbase remains one of the smallest in the current metagame, with sporadic success seen from players such as {{Sm|Rickles}} in the early metagame and {{Sm|Komegura}} and {{Sm|Major}} in the post-online metagame. Despite being significantly better than his ''Brawl'' and ''Smash 4'' incarnations, Ganondorf is once again considered one of the worst characters in the game, and as such is ranked dead last on the current tier list, albeit as a low tier due to the lack of a bottom tier.
However, this positive perception did not last long as more players noted issues regarding his gameplay: he still has severe difficulty in approaching, recovering, and escaping disadvantage. Despite the buffs he received in the transition, his matchup spread remains atrocious, as most other characters from the previous game retained similar tools to overwhelm him, such as {{SSBU|Pikachu}}, {{SSBU|Palutena}}, and {{SSBU|Cloud}}. This was compounded with how Ganondorf mostly received minor changes in patches while other low-tier characters received significant buffs. As a result, Ganondorf's playerbase remains one of the smallest in the current metagame, with sporadic success seen from players such as {{Sm|Rickles}} in the early metagame and {{Sm|Komegura}} and {{Sm|Major}} in the post-online metagame. Despite being significantly better than his ''Brawl'' and ''Smash 4'' iterations, Ganondorf is once again considered one of the worst characters in the game, and as such is ranked dead last on the current tier list.


=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Encroaching Darkness==
=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Encroaching Darkness==
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**The opposite occurs in {{for3ds}}, as it featured Ganondorf in his ''Twilight Princess'' appearance, and Ganondorf is unlocked on [[Gerudo Valley]], a stage from ''Ocarina of Time''.
**The opposite occurs in {{for3ds}}, as it featured Ganondorf in his ''Twilight Princess'' appearance, and Ganondorf is unlocked on [[Gerudo Valley]], a stage from ''Ocarina of Time''.
*''Ultimate'' is the first game to utilize new voice clips for Ganondorf as opposed to reusing them from the ''Zelda'' series. This also applies to {{SSBU|Link}}.
*''Ultimate'' is the first game to utilize new voice clips for Ganondorf as opposed to reusing them from the ''Zelda'' series. This also applies to {{SSBU|Link}}.
*Neither game whose bases served as the redesigns for Link and {{SSBU|Zelda}} in this game featured Ganondorf with a humanoid form. This is especially most noticeable during [[:File:What is Zelda canon.jpg|their brief cameos]] in {{SSBU|King K. Rool}}'s and {{SSBU|Banjo & Kazooie}}'s reveal trailers.
*Neither game whose bases served as the redesigns for Link and {{SSBU|Zelda}} in this game featured Ganondorf with a humanoid form. This is especially most noticeable during [[Media:What is Zelda canon.jpg|their brief cameos]] in {{SSBU|King K. Rool}}'s and {{SSBU|Banjo & Kazooie}}'s reveal trailers.
*According to Sakurai from a Famitsu column, as of January 2019, Ganondorf was the most used fighter in [[Elite Smash]].<ref>https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-talks-smash-bros-ultimate-online-mode-victory-rates-character-usage-more/</ref>
*According to Sakurai from a Famitsu column, as of January 2019, Ganondorf was the most used fighter in [[Elite Smash]].<ref>https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-talks-smash-bros-ultimate-online-mode-victory-rates-character-usage-more/</ref>
*Despite reverting back to his ''Ocarina of Time'' design in this game, Ganondorf is the only returning ''Zelda'' character from ''SSB4'' (excluding {{SSBU|Toon Link}}) to have his ''Twilight Princess'' design directly referenced in this game, as a spirit.
*Despite reverting back to his ''Ocarina of Time'' design in this game, Ganondorf is the only returning ''Zelda'' character from ''SSB4'' (excluding {{SSBU|Toon Link}}) to have his ''Twilight Princess'' design directly referenced in this game, as a spirit.
*Ganondorf’s extreme power has become a popular meme within the community, most notably associated with his forward smash (humorously nicknamed as '''Doriyah''' by the community, based on his exclamation during the attack), as well as his general ability to take stocks before his opponents despite being at much higher percentages than they are.
*Ganondorf’s extreme power has become a popular meme within the community, most notably associated with his forward smash (humorously nicknamed as "Doriyah" by the community, based on his exclamation during the attack), as well as his general ability to take stocks before his opponents despite being at much higher percentages than they are.
*In [[World of Light]], despite being able to transform into Ganon, the Demon King, Ganondorf is awakened before having to fight his monstrous form. This is unlike {{SSBU|Bowser}}, who is fought in his [[Giga Bowser]] form and is awakened after the battle.
*In [[World of Light]], despite being able to transform into Ganon, the Demon King, Ganondorf is awakened before having to fight his monstrous form. This is unlike {{SSBU|Bowser}}, who is fought in his [[Giga Bowser]] form and is awakened after the battle.
*There's a visual glitch on Ganondorf's cape whenever he descends from a ladder where it will suddenly snap back down if the descending animation lasts for more than 40 frames.
*There's a visual glitch on Ganondorf's cape whenever he descends from a ladder where it will suddenly snap back down if the descending animation lasts for more than 40 frames.
**This also happens to {{SSBU|Ike}} during his descent when using [[Aether]].
**This also happens to {{SSBU|Ike}} during his descent when using [[Aether]].
*The lattermost part of Ganondorf's [[up smash]] is fully incapable of hitting {{SSBU|Snake}} and {{SSBU|Wii Fit Trainer}} when they are crouching, due to the fact that the hitboxes go away before the sword fully hits the ground.<ref>[https://twitter.com/MGK_Ganondorf/status/1189105269290106880]</ref>
*Ganondorf is the only opponent in {{SSBU|Peach}}'s Classic Mode route that is not from the {{uv|Mario}} universe nor its sub-universe {{uv|Donkey Kong}}.
*Ganondorf is the only opponent in {{SSBU|Peach}}'s Classic Mode route that is not from the {{uv|Mario}} universe nor its sub-universe {{uv|Donkey Kong}}.
**{{SSBU|Wario}}, {{SSBU|Diddy Kong}}, {{SSBU|Simon}}, {{SSBU|Incineroar}} and {{SSBU|Sora}} are the only ones who fight Ganondorf outside of his home stage.
**{{SSBU|Wario}}, {{SSBU|Diddy Kong}}, {{SSBU|Simon}}, {{SSBU|Incineroar}} and {{SSBU|Sora}} are the only ones who fight Ganondorf outside of his home stage.
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