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== [[Super Smash Bros. Melee|SSBM]] tier list == | == [[Super Smash Bros. Melee|SSBM]] tier list == | ||
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[[Smash Back Room]] released its [http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199342 latest tier list]. Discuss! – [[User:MaskedMarth|<font color=#604080>Masked!</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:MaskedMarth|<font color=#c080ff>^_^</font>]]</sup> 18:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC) | [[Smash Back Room]] released its [http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199342 latest tier list]. Discuss! – [[User:MaskedMarth|<font color=#604080>Masked!</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:MaskedMarth|<font color=#c080ff>^_^</font>]]</sup> 18:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I'm surpised that Falco dropped to 4th. I still say Ganondorf should be high tier rather than mid.--[[User:Richard1990|Richard]]<sup>[[User talk:Richard1990|talk]]</sup> 19:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC) | :I'm surpised that Falco dropped to 4th. I still say Ganondorf should be high tier rather than mid.--[[User:Richard1990|Richard]]<sup>[[User talk:Richard1990|talk]]</sup> 19:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
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I think there should be a new tier list because I've discovered a few things like the [[Boost Grab]] and some new combos that could work well in tourney play. Plus I just don't like the list. I mean come on Peach above Falcon, that's like comparing Chuck Norris with Brittney Spears in Marshall arts and plus more legends play as Falcon like Isai and Silentspectre and I see Falcon as a terrific character that can do things and Peach is bacically a Down Smash spammer. Plus, Falcon has a big roll in the Wombo Combo, dat is auto win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 17:02, June 5, 2010 (UTC) | I think there should be a new tier list because I've discovered a few things like the [[Boost Grab]] and some new combos that could work well in tourney play. Plus I just don't like the list. I mean come on Peach above Falcon, that's like comparing Chuck Norris with Brittney Spears in Marshall arts and plus more legends play as Falcon like Isai and Silentspectre and I see Falcon as a terrific character that can do things and Peach is bacically a Down Smash spammer. Plus, Falcon has a big roll in the Wombo Combo, dat is auto win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 17:02, June 5, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I completely disagree with this. Fox and Falco suck. They are too light. Bowser and Kirby should be WAY higher. Same with Yoshi. And Pikachu should be higher. I rock with him/her/it!!! And Peach is great. Maybe the best. And yeah Jigglypuff should be middle or low tier. [[User:Mintstarr|Mintstarr]] ([[User Talk:Mintstarr|Talk]] 15:42, July 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Cool troll, bro. Do it again and you win a prize. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 18:53, July 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Come on man, Fox, Falco, Falcon, and Doc are way better than Peach, boozer, yoshi, kirby and pika! I mean come on, Peach is slow and weak and she's light too. Fox and Falco can pull off so much stuff, it's not even funny! [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17J6BbaTR18&feature=channel Also watch this while your at it!][[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 20:15, July 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Don't feed the trolls. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 03:31, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::But it's true! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 18:06, July 18, 2010 (UTC) <span style="color:red">'''--User was warned for this post.'''</span> | |||
== Why Peach and Jiggs didn't move down == | == Why Peach and Jiggs didn't move down == | ||
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:Mainly personal preference. I just do not like Fox's fighting style as much as Marth's. Also, Fox is too easily KO'ed do to his light weight and fast falling speed. Marth is heavier, and falls a bit slower. [[User:Dr. Pain 99|Dr. Pain 99]] ([[User talk:Dr. Pain 99|talk]]) 02:09, June 8, 2010 (UTC) | :Mainly personal preference. I just do not like Fox's fighting style as much as Marth's. Also, Fox is too easily KO'ed do to his light weight and fast falling speed. Marth is heavier, and falls a bit slower. [[User:Dr. Pain 99|Dr. Pain 99]] ([[User talk:Dr. Pain 99|talk]]) 02:09, June 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:I do agree that Fox has a bunch of weaknesses and pretty much only 1 strength (speed). I think either Falcon or Sheik should be #1 for everybody because they're balanced and they're really strong and really fast. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 21:47, June 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Do you mean Falco or Captain Falcon? [[User:Dr. Pain 99|Dr. Pain 99]] ([[User talk:Dr. Pain 99|talk]]) 22:26, June 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:No, but Falco is pretty good too, could be 2nd place or something. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 21:42, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Captian Falcon was one of my favorites in Melee, and so was Falco. Fox is good, but not worthy of being #1. I need to make my own tier list. [[User:Dr. Pain 99|Dr. Pain 99]] ([[User talk:Dr. Pain 99|talk]]) 21:48, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Yeah, you could just make one on your user page like I did to mine. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 23:41, June 11, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:That's what I was planning on doing. I just need to finish testing all of the characters. [[User:Dr. Pain 99|Dr. Pain 99]] ([[User talk:Dr. Pain 99|talk]]) 00:18, June 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Yeah, ok. Tell me when you're done because I would like to compare yours to mine. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 18:33, June 15, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Mewtwo== | |||
I don't see what's so bad about him. He has very good KO moves, an excellent recovery and double jump, pretty good projectiles. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 23:25, June 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Mewtwo's critical problem is his disproportional weight. Despite being one of the largest characters in the game, he is one of the lightest, being lighter than even the princesses, Ice Climbers, and Young Link (despite weighing 269 pounds in the Pokemon games). The result, he is vulnerable to combos and very easily KOd. As for his KO moves, they're not very good. The f-smash may do 20% when sweetspotted, but is one of the weaker f-smashes. His d-smash has short reach, strikes one side, and has slow start-up. The u-smash is rather weak and is quite escapable. His u-throw's power is based mostly on falling speed and therefore it has trouble KOing the fast fallers. The b-throw is much more effective on the edge. His dair has average power only for a meteor and is difficult to land while his fair has horrible reach. In the end, Mewtwo is a rather slow character who is very easy to kill, while he has difficulty getting KOs and racking up damage. His recovery may be amazing, but it doesn't help too much when you're KOd so easily. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 00:09, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Mewtwo is good in the hands of the right person (what character isn't?) but the reasons above are why he's lowed. Not everyone can use him like a pro you know. I used him and I'm good with him.--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 00:14, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::About KO moves, Mewtwo does have his back throw, which is pretty powerful, but I see your point about why he's low now. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 01:25, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Well, wouldn't the fact that he's floaty and lightweighted make him pretty hard to combo and the fact that he has really good range? [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 21:41, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::You would think so, but you're forgetting the important fact that he's one of the largest characters in the game (only Bowser, DK, and Ganondorf have a larger hurtbox). Being so large makes you vulnerable to combos. Also, his reach is good, but not very good. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 21:46, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I agree with Omega Tyrant. Also, he jumps high and falls extremely slowly, which is good for recovering, but this makes him vulnerable in the air and susceptible to edge-guarding. [[User:Dr. Pain 99|Dr. Pain 99]] ([[User talk:Dr. Pain 99|talk]]) 21:55, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Still, Mewtwo is one of the lighest characters in the game and he has teleporting moves that envolve a lot of mindgames. Mewtwo is not useless you know. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 22:12, June 11, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Uh, nobody said he was useless. Also, him being so light is a '''bad''' thing. Mewtwo certainly has some very good things about him (two KO throws, including the only KO u-throw and his amazing recovery) but he has so many major flaws that what is bad about him heavily outweigh what is good about him. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 22:35, June 11, 2010 (UTC) | |||