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== Mario (SSBM)/Gallery == | == Mario (SSBM)/Gallery == | ||
Hey can I move [[User:MeMyselfAndI/Mario (SSBM)/Gallery|This page]] to [[Mario (SSBM)/Gallery]]. I've done the majority of the animations and no one opposed the idea in [[Forum: | Hey can I move [[User:MeMyselfAndI/Mario (SSBM)/Gallery|This page]] to [[Mario (SSBM)/Gallery]]. I've done the majority of the animations and no one opposed the idea in [[Forum:General proposals]]? Thank you very much. --[[File:MMAI.png|link=|19px]][[User:MeMyselfAndI|<span style="color:#FF0000">Me</span>]][[User talk:MeMyselfAndI|Myself]][[Special:Contributions/MeMyselfAndI|<span style="color:#FF00FF">AndI</span>]] 14:00, 2 September 2013 (EDT) | ||
:Go ahead. I might do some rearranging of it at some point, but it can be moved as it is. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:13, 2 September 2013 (EDT) | :Go ahead. I might do some rearranging of it at some point, but it can be moved as it is. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:13, 2 September 2013 (EDT) | ||
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You, me, c-hawk if he's around, and toomai need to have irc special group time. I will be on tomorrow (today?). [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 01:38, 28 June 2014 (EDT) | You, me, c-hawk if he's around, and toomai need to have irc special group time. I will be on tomorrow (today?). [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 01:38, 28 June 2014 (EDT) | ||
:I should be on in the afternoon. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:49, 28 June 2014 (EDT) | :I should be on in the afternoon. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:49, 28 June 2014 (EDT) | ||
:Yo, what's this not inviting me to this? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:09, 28 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
::You are always around. He is not. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 09:10, 28 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Wall == | |||
What's got you hesitant? [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 22:03, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Items == | |||
You are quite a despot, not surprising, but I recognize I quietly keep the items project to myself, well not at all as I consulted the missing items with Toomai a long time ago. What he said is that he had fenced against them because others didn't cared anyway, so that means no one actually dared to do it, until now when I stood for them, and you know I'm against this place "dogmas" (some, not all). It's not that they are optional, it's that you can control their frencuency and let me remind you in the first Smash Bros. all items are mandatory until you unlock the Item Switch. It's like ignoring the fact there are power ups in video games, because that's what items are. It's also like mentioning Super Mario Bros. and not talking about the Super Mushrooms or Fire Flowers within the same page. And you said optional, what do you mean by optional? Versus stages are optional as well, there is a Random Stage Switch, you know? you can avoid those pesky stages in the same way you can turn off items. Why ignore the items? If I did the consult I was pretty sure few would support the inclusion of items on the main pages as the competitive scene has asbosred a lot of the content of the wiki (like seriuosly the News section, I don't care who has won the recent tournaments). And if I did the consult would you support it? the fact you removed the boxes makes me think you wouldn't. Give them a chance, it wasn't easy to make those things, you are not seeing the hard work I employed on those sections, like how many years this wiki spent with no artworks for the container items from the original Smash? I found them and took my time to clean the up so I can actually made those boxes. I will take this with Toomai as well so we can talk about the situation for the items. | |||
'''--[[User:Byllant|Byllant]] ([[User talk:Byllant|talk]]) 22:09, 8 July 2014 (EDT)''' | |||
:Why do you want to wage a war with the competitive aspect of smash. You do realize it's the only thing keeping the games relevant.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 22:12, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::My reversion had nothing to do with the competitive scene whatsoever; please don't jump to conclusions. It has to do with a simple fact: every match of Smash involves characters fighting on stages. Thus, characters and stages are unambiguously important enough to be included on the main game pages. Items, which are not necessarily a part of a given Smash match, are more ambiguous in importance. I didn't say we should not include them; rather, I said there should be a talk page discussion prior to making a significant change like that. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:15, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::For once, I will apologize for my assumptions. OK, it's not for the competitive scene, but it is wide known fact that people prefers playing without items (for balanced settings not relying on luck, like the competitive scene is), including myself, and I have seen lot of people neglecting the items in Smash Bros. on this wiki. I considered long ago did the items inclusion given their importance in Smash, at least from the default point, otherwise Sakurai wouldn't encourage us to use items or even claim stuff like "real Smash Bros. players use items". The rage is more about the time consumed on modifying and editing the boxes that the actual fact [some] people doesn't like them. | |||
:::@Brian you don't know this, but I hate meddling people whenever I'm discussing with someone else. Whether I'm interested in the competitive play or not is my problem and it's an opinion you should respect, and BTW I never said it was something bad, it just feels less redundant recalling who has won the recent tournaments. | |||
:::'''--[[User:Byllant|Byllant]] ([[User talk:Byllant|talk]]) 02:49, 11 July 2014 (EDT)''' | |||
Please allow this discussion to continue on the [[Forum:General proposals|proposals page]]. I think there is real merit in the addition, and the forum is a good place to get community feedback. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 10:02, 11 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
==Why== | |||
are you removing the links for moves on all the Pokémon pages?<font face="sand">[[User:Qwerty|<font color="#04FE6D">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="#66CC2A">the</font>]] [[Special:Logout|<font color="#08CFCC">lord</font>]]</font> [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 15:39, 11 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Pay closer attention; he changed the template so it links automatically. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Ghostbuster 15:40, 11 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Are you sure we should link to official moves instead of simply describing the attacks? == | |||
<s>The reason I ask is because, after translating the text describing Charizard's Melee attack, it reads that it's using "radiation flame," which isn't even the Japanese name for "Flamethrower" (that would be "Flame Emission"). The same goes for Zapdos (whose attack, according to the website, is "Denkishokku," which also isn't an official translation for any of the mainstream damaging electric-type moves Zapdos is capable of learning) and Entei ("vortex of fire"). Some of these sound more like move descriptions than actual move names. The fact that other moves from the website, like Blastoise's Hydro Pump and Articuno's Icy Wind, are listed as proper nouns supports my theory that Venusaur isn't using the actual Earthquake, as it's listed in lowercase as if it were an effect and not a move. I say, for those specific examples, that we simply link what the website says (i.e. "Venusaur causes an "earthquake"" instead of "Venusaur uses Earthquake").</s> <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 16:26, 11 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Nevermind, I used ctrl+f to find copied & pasted Japanese text from Bulbapedia and everything is right. The translator I used was just a little off. Carry on. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 16:29, 11 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::No problem. The move names were in bold, which made it easy enough to compare against Bulbapedia's Japanese text. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:31, 11 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Brawl single on-screen focus == | |||
Would you mind showing me an example of this? I don't remember it ever happening. (Also, which player does it focus on? Just a random one?) [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 13:11, 14 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Given that I'm not finding any examples at the moment, it's possible I'm misremembering. That said, you'd a) also need footage to confirm your claim and b) you should use {{t|for3ds}}. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:18, 14 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::So it just occurred to me that even my revised wording was unclear. Here's what it '''''should''''' say:<br> | |||
::''*On ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4|Super Smash Bros. for 3DS]]'', when a battle starts, the screen will occasionally focus on the player's own on-screen appearance for the entire duration of the countdown, rather than moving between each character as they appear or showing the entire screen.''<br> | |||
::So if maybe you thought it was talking about the zoom that occurs on each character as they appear, that's not what it is. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 13:19, 14 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::I thought Brawl did that too sometimes, but I may have been confusing the two. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:21, 14 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::How would Brawl be able to do that when everyone plays using the same screen? Anyways, I'll add a reference and re-add the trivia, if thats okay. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 13:23, 14 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::I thought it occasionally focused on just one character at random then panned the camera out, but I seem to be mistaken. Go ahead. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:24, 14 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Hypothetical Lucina Procedure == | |||
As I still feel certain that Lucina will be confirmed as nothing more than a skin (not asking to argue that right now, though; confirmation or deconfirmation of such is probably not very far in the future), I wonder what the procedures should be for if such a thing happens. Should her SSB4 page be retained, or merged with SSB4 Marth? What about the Lucina_(SSB4) category? I figure that her entry on character lists would need to be removed, and a lot of redirects made, at the very least. Would pages whose text refer to SSB4 Marth need to be changed to also refer to Lucina (such as special move pages)? Ect, ect.<br> I'm usually around the wiki when POTD's are posted (which, if such a confirmation occurs, would likely be when it does), so I feel that if I know ahead of time I can get things cleaned up before more of a potential mess is made. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 18:15, 14 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:On the off chance she is confirmed as a Marth alt, her info would be merged into his pages. However, given that other alternate model costumes (female Villager, male WFT) don't have separate pages on the official site, I think it's relatively clear that she's a moveset clone but a separate character. (I personally expect her to be Roy's center-of-sword moveset minus fire.) I wouldn't invest more time into this hypothetical unless Sakurai proves it true. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:28, 14 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Like I said, I wanted to make sure ahead of time, rather than have everyone confused about what to do if it happens. Thanks. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 18:31, 14 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Was the 3 day block really necessary? == | |||
The IP was editing in good faith, and re-added the content from earlier, with the Mega Evolution description being pretty notable, but with links. That was one revert. They added links the second time around. Three days is a tad (a pretty big one) excessive. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 03:20, 15 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
So you make an unjustified block, and then ignore when someone protests it? Ah, just another example of your incompetent admin capabilities. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:02, 16 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I know that blocking the IP was wrong but, you two, please don't start a harsh war again. It was clearly unhealthy to see this two times, I don't think any of us wants to see another. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The Arceus 02:11, 16 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::So we should all just continue to brush Miles' repeated incompetence and inadequacies under the rug, just to falsely maintain "peace"? Such an attitude is what is clearly unhealthy for the wiki. Admins must be held accountable, and if this wiki community is too scared to do so, to the point they will completely ignore a blatant misuse of the block tool and then the admin's ignoring of protest to the issue, then it may be the time that I'm done with the wiki. This is not an isolated incident, this just yet another example of Miles' long continued streak of incompetence, and then his refusing to discuss the matter (seriously, he completely ignored Mega here, and you're going to think that's okay?!) <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:32, 16 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::I don't think it's OK at all, but the reason I was silent since the Ridley fiasco is because Miles said he'd try to improve and acknowledged that he's shown despotic behavior (I think on Toomai's and the Mii talk page), and has since then (and before making this rash block) made valued edits and established the format with which we will organize SSBU/3DS data. I overlooked the block (I don't pay much attention to IP's, and I think it happened during the flood of edits that came after Monday's character reveals), which is bad on my part as a member of the community. I strongly advise against leaving the Wiki, as with your whistleblowing we've seen incompetent administrators like [[User:Emmett|Emmett]] take off, which left an overall positive effect. If you hadn't opposed [[User:ToastUltimatum|Toast]]'s and [[User:Mr. Anon|Anon]]'s precarious requests for adminship, they would probably have adminship right now because of many of this wiki's users' tendency to operate with a hivemind ("go with the flow at all costs") mentality, which I admit I've been guilty of that in the past. For that reason a user that's not afraid to smash barriers is requisite. Hivemind also explains why most users are hesitant to call Miles out because he's been with the community for six long years (leading many to always assume good faith, even with actions that raise red flags), or just haven't been paying any attention to Miles' behavior unless it blatantly roadblocks their progress. Comments like "Please don't fight!" are discouraged by the way, Dots, because it basically translates to "be quiet, let's just pretend this didn't happen." I have no personal qualms with Miles, but it doesn't bode well for him that he just blocked an IP without warning him/her first. Also, while I don't currently support demoting him, I ''do'' believe that he should begin to respect the ever-growing likelihood of demotion and be more responsive when called out. Lack of reverence is how Emmett, Sky, and other admins from the Wikia days were able to get away with being dicks to everyone outright. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 03:30, 16 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::While I'm not on Miles side either, this Miles and OT war kind of thing has been frightening me ever since December 2013. Sure I don't have the power to settle down two admins that oppose each other. If they want to argue for the third time, let that be then (hope Toomai gets those surveys in soon). I personally don't think any demotion on any of the two admins is of necessary action as of right now but I agree with you BNK that Miles should be warned about his demotion should he refuse to take in criticism from users. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The N64 03:55, 16 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::You know, one really good thing about Emmett that the wiki has been sorely missing since, was that he was fully willing to hold admins accountable publically. He's the only other established user I can think of who publically called Miles out on his shit, instead of just badmouthing him on IRC and elsewhere. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:03, 16 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
All that happened was my internet crashed when I tried to reply to this yesterday and I forgot to come back to it. I fully admit that I went a bit too far by jumping to the 3-day block and should have issued a warning first instead. OT, all I have to say is that I'm working on improving myself and taking criticism. I've seen little evidence of you doing the same. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:06, 16 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:"''All that happened was my internet crashed when I tried to reply to this yesterday and I forgot to come back to it.''" | |||
:That should be the immediate first thing you reply to when you get back on; a protested unjustified block, especially of a new good-faith user, isn't something to take lightly and just "forget". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:33, 17 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::My internet has been very choppy lately and I tend to multitask; occasionally things get lost in the shuffle. I already said it was a mistake. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:03, 17 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Just letting you know. == | |||
The user [[User:Harro|Harro]] is [http://i.imgur.com/szLjV7C.png posing as you], making a comment using your name. <span style="background-color: orange; border:3px solid blue; border-radius:10px 30px 30px 10px;">[[User:Lasifer|Lasifer]]</span> [[File:MaskedManSignatureSprite.PNG|link=User talk:Lasifer]] 04:28, 28 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
==I get that we're on red status and all== | |||
But was a 3 month ban on [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Special:Contributions/98.177.173.126 this guy] really necessary? Unless he's some repeat offender with different IPs, a jump from a typical week ban for meh vandalism to a sudden 3 months is just absurd. [[Special:Contributions/107.185.210.212|107.185.210.212]] 09:31, 2 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:It'd certainly be nice if we saw your justification for the block length. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 22:50, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Samus Gravity Suit distinction == | |||
For the longest time, Samus's pink color was listed as "NES Varia Suit Missile Mode" when, from the 9/3/2014 Smash 4 Post of the Day, Sakurai explicitly lists and confirms her pink color as Gravity Suit from Super Metroid, while the purple color is from Metroid Prime. Can you please undo your change? Listing it as "NES Varia Suit Missile Mode" is simply misinformation, as even prior to Sakurai's PotD, I would have identified it as Super Metroid Gravity Suit. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Lhalt|Lhalt]] ([[User talk:Lhalt|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lhalt|contribs]]) 15:25, September 3, 2014 (CDT)</small> | |||
:Sakurai is the one in error here. The Gravity Suit is only even close to ambiguously pink or purple in Super Metroid, while every depiction since (Prime, Fusion, Zero Mission, even the Gravity Feature in Other M) are purple. Additionally, the Gravity Suit purple color exists [[:File:ColorSamus.gif|in SSB64]] [[:File:Samus Palette (SSBM).png|and Melee]], both of which pre-date Prime. We can note Sakurai's comparison, but it isn't the actual source of the color scheme. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:15, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Sorry, but I really think you're trying to push your own interpretation on the colors. The pink Gravity Suit is supposed to only be close to Super Metroid, hence the distinction. The dark purple color existed since SSB64, yes, but it was made to match in Brawl. Notice that, until the Fusion Suit, it has always been made to appear directly after Varia Suit? Why would the Super Metroid Gravity Suit, which actually has an official counterpart as opposed to Black and Green Samus and has a much greater relevance to an obscure palette swap from the NES days, be relegated to only Team Colors? [[User:Lhalt|Lhalt]] ([[User talk:Lhalt|talk]]) 18:17, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::[[metroidwiki::File:Gravity Suit sm Sprite.png|The Super Metroid sprite]] is purple. It's not our fault that Sakurai doesn't seem to believe that. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:54, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::The color is ambiguous. While you might say it's purple, I would argue that it's pink. Color terminology is not so discrete that it becomes one or the other. For example, a red-orange can be called either red or orange depending on the person. The fact of the matter is, Sakurai, an official source himself, has very intentionally labeled these alternates as such. It's not your place to make these interpretations yourself. [[User:Lhalt|Lhalt]] ([[User talk:Lhalt|talk]]) 20:31, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::Sakurai is wrong on this subject, so we should note his statement but present a more accurate depiction of what's going on. Also, see [[SW:OFFICIAL]]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:52, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::::While it is true that the wiki does not need to rely on official sources, this is a case of presenting opinion as fact. May I ask what gives you the authority to say that Sakurai himself is wrong on an objective matter? Maybe consider the fact that you yourself are wrong, but are simply refusing to admit it? This is very clearly a case of "we designed this alt with 'x' as inspiration": there is no room for interpretation, this is fact because a person with credibility (Sakurai) has said so. We can call Light Blue Samus 'Fusion Suit Samus' without a shadow of a doubt because Sakurai himself has said it is based off Fusion Suit, even though it only shares the same colors of the Fusion Suit and not its shape/form. It is not your place to say 'pink Samus draws inspiration from NES Varia Suit with Missiles' when you yourself have no factual basis for that claim. Remember that you are spreading misinformation that merely relies on opinionated speculation. It is not wrong to say pink Samus and NES Varia Suit with Missiles have similar colors. It IS wrong to say that NES Varia Suit with Missiles is indeed the source, when it can merely be (and most likely is) a coincidence. [[User:Lhalt|Lhalt]] ([[User talk:Lhalt|talk]]) 21:26, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::::Let me spell it out. | |||
:::::::*Samus's light blue color scheme is based on the colors of the Fusion Suit, not its shape, and nobody is claiming otherwise. Same goes with the Dark Suit. We point those out not because Sakurai says so, but because it's what they match. | |||
:::::::*The Gravity Suit in Super Metroid has a green visor, while NES Varia Suit with missiles selected has a blue visor. This matches the visor colors of the purple and pink color schemes in SSB64 and Melee; in Brawl and SSB4, the Gravity Suit also has a blue visor to match Metroid Prime's Gravity Suit. The fact that the pink color had a blue visor (and in fact, was the only alternate visor color in Melee) is very strong evidence towards the NES Metroid source. Additionally, the fact that the purple color scheme changed visor colors to match the Gravity Suit's updated appearance shows it was always intended to reference the Gravity Suit. | |||
:::::::Does that clarify things? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:34, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::::::Because I'm nosy and feel like joining in on this argument to help get a solution, see [http://www.ssbwiki.com/File:Pink_vs_Purple.png this]. While the sprite doesn't ''perfectly'' match either, it is much closer to the purple than the pink. It hardly resembles the pink one at all. '''[[User:Nutta Butta|...a new Nutta]]'''[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]'''[[User talk:Nutta Butta|is approaching...]]''' 21:37, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::And I'd like to add that the [http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/File:Worst_SM_ending.gif ending] of Super Metroid clearly shows the suit as purple. The sprite being "somewhat pink" is likely due to its smaller size. --[[User:ShadowMario3|ShadowMario3]] ([[User talk:ShadowMario3|talk]]) 22:07, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Trivia? == | |||
Why isn' that notable? And that '''is''' Sheik's first '''Playable''' appereance on a handheld :/[[User:Smasher-Billy|Smasher-Billy]] ([[User talk:Smasher-Billy|talk]]) 16:55, 6 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Missed the word playable there, but it still isn't notable. It's the first playable appearance for Sheik, Ganondorf, Olimar, Wii Fit Trainer, R.O.B., Shulk... suffice to say there's too many characters for it to be notable for any of them in particular. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:06, 6 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
==Dude?!== | |||
Why does that has to be gone? Those screenshots are real (I guess, they look '''very real''' to me).[[User:Smasher-Billy|Smasher-Billy]] ([[User talk:Smasher-Billy|talk]]) 05:38, 7 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:While I don't personally doubt Zipzo's accuracy, we're sticking to a consistent basis as to what is considered credible. This is far preferable in this situation to ensure accuracy. Once again, we'll have the full game in under a week and probably a deluge of very reputable videos and Miiverse screenshots. We can afford to wait a few days. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 05:41, 7 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::But we already have a list of trophies and list of music pages? So why can that stay here?[[User:Smasher-Billy|Smasher-Billy]] ([[User talk:Smasher-Billy|talk]]) 05:50, 7 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::The trophies are visible in various trailers and pics of the day, and the music is in videos as well (Smash Direct, E3 footage, official website, and so on). Those have met the criteria. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 06:07, 7 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
==Thanks== | |||
You may get a lot of flack over whether or not you should be an administrator, but I feel it's necessary to point out that you've been a very helpful editor lately, and we'd have a lot of catching up to do if it weren't for your help. Thanks a lot! [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 15:56, 10 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Much appreciated, thanks. As always, I'm just trying to help out. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:01, 10 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Your reverts on the Palette Swap article == | |||
Before I get into this, please note that I'm not doing this out of rage for my edit being reverted, (In fact, it takes a lot more than that to piss me off) but simply to question your reasoning for it, with your reason being my supposed lack of research. I actually looked up the colors and found some truth in my edit. So without further adieu, I present my thoughts: | |||
#For Charizard's third palette swap from the list, you really can't deny the near-identical color scheme. However, I do see how it could possibly be considered painfully obvious so I'm not gonna push for that one. | |||
#For the yellow Diddy Kong ....yeah, pretty much the same deal. The yellow Donkey Kong on the other hand is a different story. It might be hard to tell, but I could see the yellow fur and baby blue tie, which color-wise, is indeed very similar to Kiddy Kong, whose fur and clothes are also yellow and blue respectively. ([http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070812164632/rare/images/b/bd/Kiddy_Kong.jpg Here's what he looks like in case you were unsure]). | |||
#For the purple Fox, I guess I could've worded that one better, as the fur is the only real resemblance to Wolf. So I was partially in the wrong there. | |||
#For Rosalina's green recolor, it's pretty trivial info, but if you look close enough in certain games, her dress is indeed darker, (looking at [http://www.mariowiki.com/File:Rozeta.PNG her model in SMG1] compared to [http://www.mariowiki.com/File:Rosalina-IceWorld.png her model in MK7] as any indication). Again, your call. | |||
#I'm just gonna skip the issues with the ''Link's Awakening'' recolor for Toon Link, Luigi's light blue recolor, and the green Kirby, since you weren't the one who removed those. | |||
#For the fiasco with the Wii Fit Trainers, the green outfit is indeed based on Wii Fit Plus, so there's nothing wrong there, but in the case of the female variant, the Wii Fit Plus outfit was indeed skimpier than the Wii Fit outfit, as shown when you compare [http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/080516/080516-WiiFitScreenshot-bcol.grid-6x2.jpg this] to [http://cdn2.spong.com/screen-shot/w/i/wiifitplus309627l/_-Wii-Fit-Plus-Wii-_.jpg this]. And since the original game had the more modest outfit, the green palette, (while still technically based on the sequel in terms of color) still has a top that's more like the one in the original, so that's why I added that. | |||
#And finally, there's the matter of ZSS' light blue palette swap. Sure, it has no origin within the Metroid series, but I was just pointing out its slight similarity to the Zero Suit's appearance in MP2, in which it had gray patches on it, which the aforementioned recolor also has. Again, just putting this out there. | |||
Well, that wraps it up. I won't re-add this edit until there's a full consensus. And again, please don't take this as confrontational. I don't intend to sound that way at all. I was just a little confused over the revert; in fact, I'm rarely the type to make an objection to a reverted edit like this. Also note that I most likely won't get to see your reply for a while, as I need to go to school and SmashWiki is blocked on those computers. | |||
Sincerely, '''[[User:MeatBall104|MeatBall104;]]''' [[User talk:MeatBall104|Want some fried green tomatoes]] [[Special:Contributions/MeatBall104|with that?]] 01:08, 11 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Given the timing, I'll get back to you on this later. If I don't after a week or something, remind me. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 07:18, 11 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Request for userpage protection == | |||
Since Tommy barnes has vandalized my userpage, can I have it semi-protected so he won't vandalize it again if he comes back? [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 20:34, 13 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Re: Special Move Template == | |||
Greetings. I have come to you with a question. How does one edit the Special Move templates for certain fighters? There were a couple (the Mii fighters ones, for an example) that were inaccurate and I could not figure out how to edit the table to put in the correct information. I believe they have been rectified since then, but I would love to know in case I need this skill in the future. Thank you for your assistance in this matter. [[User:Toymakers Creation|Toymakers Creation]] ([[User talk:Toymakers Creation|talk]]) 14:30, 14 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Are you referring to [[Template:Special Moves]]? The Miis and Palutena use separate versions since their special moves are more distinct, so there's things like [[Template:Special Moves/Mii Brawler]]. Does that clarify things? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:35, 14 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Yes, yes it does. Many thanks. And while I have you, just one more question. I have been gathering images of the revealed Special Moves, specifically for the Miis at this moment, but it is proving very difficult to grab frames that don't show motion blur. Would it be acceptable for me to use a GIF in place of a still image, until a clear image can be gathered? [[User:Toymakers Creation|Toymakers Creation]] ([[User talk:Toymakers Creation|talk]]) | |||
:::Either way, but be sure as usual to tag uploaded game screenshots as fair use and tag low quality images appropriately. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:50, 14 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::Ah, right. Apologies, I'm still a bit rusty. Thanks for your patience and advice. [[User:Toymakers Creation|Toymakers Creation]] ([[User talk:Toymakers Creation|talk]]) 14:53, 14 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::No worries. Any good edits during a busy time like this are appreciated greatly. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:00, 14 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
Apologies for that dead redirect page. The original page had a typo in the title (which was my fault too), so I moved it and the redirect was made automatically. [[User:Toymakers Creation|Toymakers Creation]] ([[User talk:Toymakers Creation|talk]]) 23:05, 14 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:On an unrelated note, should I create links for the custom variations of moves or simply leave them as regular text? If you would prefer the latter, I can remove the red links I have created.[[User:Anothrgamer1234|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234|talk]]) 23:20, 14 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Custom moves for characters other than the Miis and Palutena should be covered in a subheader on the base move's page. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:40, 14 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::I'll have to fix that later, then. Thanks.[[User:Anothrgamer1234|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234|talk]]) 07:13, 15 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Character Movesets == | |||
Greetings, I had a question regarding the Moveset sections on character pages. Is there an established standard for how these sections are to be organized and presented? How the moveset section looks varies from [[Little Mac (SSB4)|character]] to [[Mega Man (SSB4)|character]], even on the Brawl character pages, with different tables and organization methods throughout. Since movesets aren't out for every fighter yet, I believe now would be a good time to set a standard for how the Moveset section should look. I for one favor the look present on [[Duck Hunt (SSB4)|Duck Hunt]]'s page over the tables used on other pages. The tables tend to squish certain information and understanding what each column represents is difficult once the top of the table is scrolled past. The table-less movesets also have the information broken down into particular sections, grouping similar moves together and making location a specific one simple and easy. The extra information (including the "move names", most of which are unofficial and unnecessary, I think) present on tables can just be broken down in extra bullets, like this: | |||
* Side smash: "Move Name" - Move description. | |||
** Damage dealt by the move | |||
** Description of knockback (if necessary/pertinent) | |||
** Type of damage dealt (present on certain Brawl movesets) | |||
** Any misc. information | |||
So yes, to return to my original inquiry, I would just like to know if this discussion has already been had and if there is some consensus regarding the consistency of the Moveset section that I am unaware of. | |||
Addendum: table-less movesets are also easier to edit, so there is that to consider. | |||
[[User:Toymakers Creation|Toymaker's Creation]] [[File:VelEye.png]] [[User Talk:Toymakers Creation|"''Thank you for your contribution."'']] 15:51, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:There isn't any consistent standard at the moment, but I agree that the bulleted lists are more easily read and edited than the tables. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:00, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Ah, should there perhaps be a public discussion to set the standard, then? It would quell any possible future debates regarding what is proper for that section's presentation. [[User:Toymakers Creation|Toymaker's Creation]] [[File:VelEye.png]] [[User Talk:Toymakers Creation|"''Thank you for your contribution."'']] 16:03, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::That would certainly be an appropriate thing to start discussion on. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:06, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
For the record, we have [[Template:MovesetTable|this template]], the intent of which is to be used on all character pages for all games, but it's not yet updated for SSB4. I intend to fix that in the near future. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Quintonic 16:23, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:It's still a table, though, which as previously mentioned is lesser design-wise to the bulleted format. If we do set a standard, it probably should be with the bullets. And I am uncertain how exactly to, uh, start the public discussion. [[User:Toymakers Creation|Toymaker's Creation]] [[File:VelEye.png]] [[User Talk:Toymakers Creation|"''Thank you for your contribution."'']] 16:30, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Rosalina --> Rosalina & Luma == | |||
I know you oppose a move, and said we should wait for the final build of the game. Shirma Akayaku from Smashboards just provided proof that the name is indeed Rosalina & Luma in the final game. Can you please change the name, or remove the protection so someone else can do it? [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 18:24, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:That's still only part of the issue. We can afford to wait on this for a bit while we get the rest of the SSB4 news sorted out. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:29, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
==Glitch?== | |||
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC1Lr-plMW4 [[User:Igor The Mii|Igor The Mii]] ([[User talk:Igor The Mii|talk]]) 19:08, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Me and multiple people have found a troll == | |||
Me and multiple people have found a guy called http://www.ssbwiki.com/User_talk:Tommy_barnes_19. He's been making new pages and being a complete troll and vandal. He's doing it repeatedly as well. | |||
== Want to test this? == | |||
I think we found a solution to the "you need a b'crat to use probation" niggle. Porplemontage went and did a few edits and now the "Add/remove group: Probation" right is part of the admins group (at least it displays as such at [[Special:ListGroupRights]]). As an available admin and non-b'crat, could you [[Special:UserRights|try this out]]? You can pick yourself or me to be the target, or if that doesn't work an established user who'll understand it's a test. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Le Grand Fromage 18:51, 25 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Also this page badly needs an archive. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Le Grand Fromage 18:52, 25 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Works just fine, as you can see. Also, archiving in a few minutes. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:01, 25 September 2014 (EDT) | |||