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Can we split this article up first, though? After my reorganisation, it's pretty unwieldy to read now. [[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]] 18:32, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | Can we split this article up first, though? After my reorganisation, it's pretty unwieldy to read now. [[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]] 18:32, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
:I dunno. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''ZoOm!'' 18:36, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Should I use the Admin noticeboard to request a split? Or is there somewhere else I should go? [[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]] 21:14, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Just create a new talk page section. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''ZoOm!'' 21:28, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Request split of this article... == | |||
...into Beta Elements (SSB), Beta Elements (SSBM) and Beta Elements (SSBB). [[Beta Elements]] will act as a disambiguation page to the three respective articles. | |||
((Am I doing this right?)) | |||
[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]] 21:48, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:If it were to be split, the resulting pages should have lower case titles, e.g. Beta elements (SSBB). [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:57, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Apologies; I'm used to titling articles in the conventional, newspaper style (all words capitalised, articles left alone, etc.), and this is the first time I've ever made this type of request. So they would then be: | |||
::*Beta elements (SSB) | |||
::*Beta elements (SSBM) | |||
::*Beta elements (SSBB) | |||
::*[[Beta elements]] | |||
::Correct? | |||
::[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]] 22:02, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
I don't think it should be split. The article isn't that big right now. We only split these kinds of articles when they get really really big (such as "List of previous tier lists", "List of Trophies", and "Character Matchups"). [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 22:37, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:This page is only 24,000 KB big. Thus, we need not split it up. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|{ROLLBACKER}]]</small> 23:29, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Alright, understandable. At what size should articles be split? [[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]] 23:34, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::We don't exactly have any rules for that. Basically, if the article gets so large that it lags many user's computers, it's probably a good time to split it up. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Anon|contribs]]) </small> | |||
== Use of beta == | |||
[http://tcrf.net/Talk:The_Cutting_Room_Floor#Response] These guys know what they're talking about so... <font face="Algerian">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dCol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''...PUNCH!!!'' 20:57, 11 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Your point is not clear. Are you trying to say we're misusing the term "beta"? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Labbie 21:03, 11 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
:It looks like we are, yes. <font face="Algerian">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dCol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''...PUNCH!!!'' 21:08, 11 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
::You got a better name in mind? ''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]'''''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]]''' 21:09, 11 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::Early? By the way, not every use of beta in this article is wrong, I'm not asking to change it entirely.<font face="Algerian">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dCol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''...PUNCH!!!'' 21:11, 11 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::How about "Prototype Elements" or something? ''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]'''''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]]''' 22:17, 11 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::::No, as that is misuse. A prototype is a physical early version of the game. So thats not gonna work. Early does. <font face="Algerian">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dCol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''...PUNCH!!!'' 22:22, 11 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::::Would the term "unused" work? ''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]'''''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]]''' 19:57, 12 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::::::Yes, but if it is unused, it was from earlier in development, hence "early". <font face="Algerian">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dCol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''...PUNCH!!!'' 20:14, 12 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::::::Maybe "pre-release", just so that it won't sound weird. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 20:21, 12 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
There is no misuse here, beta elements is a common term for any material taken out before the final release. There is absolutely no need to the move the title. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:01, 12 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
:No no no. I never wanted to move to the title. People will search for the title "Beta Elements", we can't change that. I merely changed misuses of beta in the article. <font face="Algerian">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dCol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''...PUNCH!!!'' 21:18, 12 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
::I don't think beta isn't not a proper word to use in this article. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|1998, 1999-2011]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|2010-2011]] [[File:FalcoHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 21:25, 12 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Those weren't misuses of beta, "beta elements" is the common term for any thing shown to be in early versions of a video game, but not in the final version. Beta elements is not referring to things that were in the beta version. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:27, 12 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::I thought the term ''Beta'' is a earlier version of something and that it may change before it gets released. Is this definition correct? [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|1998, 1999-2011]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|2010-2011]] [[File:FalcoHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 21:32, 12 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::That's another way the term can be used, which is just as correct. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The SMASH-GINEER 21:45, 12 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::For general use, that is basically correct. Though for specifics, the ''Beta'' is a specific prereleased version. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:46, 12 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Boxes In Battlefield == | |||
I don't think Snake's box in Battlefield is a beta element, but I think it's a foreshadowing of his inclusion | |||
[[User:King KirbyD|King KirbyD]] ([[User talk:King KirbyD|talk]]) 01:13, 18 March 2012 (EDT)[[King KirbyD [[talk | |||
:Don't type your username and "talk" after your signature. It's redundant. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 18:49, 18 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Rainbow Cruise == | |||
Is it relevant to say that the Rainbow Cruise ship resembles a pirate ship in the beta? [[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">Mario</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="green">is</font>]]<span style="font-family":KristenITC font size:10pt>[[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="indigo">awesome</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="iceblue">118</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 11:52, 24 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
==Twoson== | |||
I've found unused Twoson track on Youtube. Shall I add this here or just in the [[Rumors|Rumors artcicle]]? [[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:IntenseDifficulty.png|19px]] Fear the RAWK! 15:10, 29 June 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Care to share/explain? [[User:Smoreking|Smoreking]] ([[User talk:Smoreking|talk]]) 17:18, 29 June 2012 (EDT) | |||
::Let me guess, it's [[Talk:Music (SSBB)/Archive 1#Twoson Claim|this old disproved one]]? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:28, 29 June 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Beta SSBB Trophies... == | |||
Based on [http://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl#Extra_Character_Trophies this], it seems there where to be beta trophies with various characters showing poses, and it still seems to be available in the game. Do you think we should add this section? I could do a couple of rips with C4D, and possibly upload images on this matter. --<span style="font-family: Super Smash Font; font-size: 10pt"> [[User:Airconny|<font color="black">Air</font>]][[User talk:Airconny|<font color="gray">conny</font>]] [[File:Airconny Snake Sig.png|20px]] </span> 17:14, 14 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
:Go for it. If there's anything else lacking from our coverage that TCRF has better data on, feel free to go for that too. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:40, 14 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
::Okay, I'll get started on it very soon. <span style="font-family: Super Smash Font; font-size: 10pt"> [[User:Airconny|<font color="black">Air</font>]][[User talk:Airconny|<font color="gray">conny</font>]] [[File:Airconny Snake Sig.png|20px]] </span> 17:50, 14 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Split == | |||
I think we should rename this page '''Beta element''', and split into '''List of beta elements (SSB)''', etc. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Ac2k|Ac2k]] ([[User talk:Ac2k|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|contribs]]) 11:23, 25 April 2013</small> | |||
== Rename == | |||
To quote the comment I left [[Talk:Beta elements (SSB)|here]]; "''Beta isn't and has never been a catchall term, it refers to a specific point in game development before shipping. Prerelease, early, and unused are catchalls. Claiming beta is a catchall for content seen in prerelease screenshots/unused in the game's code is like claiming dubstep is a catchall for all genres of electronica.''" --[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 14:58, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:But it is a catchall term, and simple denial will not change that. If you have nothing better to do than bicker over something that you alone care about, perhaps you should consider refraining from editing for a while. If nothing else, I would have hoped the IP block you received would have been a clear warning for you to stop.--[[User:Anothrgamer1234|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234|talk]]) 15:21, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::lern2debate kthx. You seem to be the one in denial. Back to my point: Dubstep, despite being a genre of electronica, is not a catchall for all electronica genres. Beta is in the same ball park. It refers to a point of development, but it is not a catchall for altered or unused content from prerelease footage/unused game code, which could have been removed far earlier in development. It seems to be futile convincing you since you won't listen and in general you're turning a blind eye to things that are blatantly obvious. --[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 15:30, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::Beta can refer to a specific phase of development, but it is also very generally used as a synonym for "prerelease". The page title isn't inaccurate. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:33, 17 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:You're sticking your fingers in your ears again. The title is inaccurate. Beta only refers to one phase of development, you all know which one or probably don't because you're all not listening to reason. The erroneous use of beta as a synonym to refer to prerelease or unused content is likely an error which became mainspread not unlike a disease after some guy mislabeled some early/unused content. Two wrongs don't make a right. --[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 12:45, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::The unfortunate reality is, incorrect language becomes correct through usage. Your argument is nothing but "it's technically incorrect", which is typically a weak argument by [[SW:OFFICIAL|our standards]]. I agree that it's lame to use the term "beta" as a catch-all, but if the majority wants to keep doing it, we can't really stop them. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Ghostbuster 12:50, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::No it does not, the incorrect language is still incorrect. It only becomes "correct" because we have to cater to morons who don't do their research. It took 5 minutes to find the correct meaning of beta. But if this wikia wants to cater to illiterate shitheads, that's fine by me. We don't have to be the majority, we're allowed to refer to prerelease content by its correct title (unsuprisingly, prerelease), beta can be a redirect instead. --[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 12:59, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::If you can't participate in a discussion without being rude, people aren't going to listen to you, and you may attract a block if you keep it up. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Interspacial 13:05, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::I'm indifferent towards this debate, but just so you know, this wiki isn't a part of Wikia. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 13:07, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::I have to be aggresive because it's clear you aren't listening. --[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 13:13, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::Okay... I seriously understand what you're saying, and it does slightly frustrate me as well. But, as has been said, Language, in in itself, what it's speakers make of it. What the page title needs to be is something they will find and understand - practically every other site uses this term, which therefore makes it a form of slang. And, sadly, yes, we have to cater to people who don't do their research, because this is a '''wiki'''. Which means this is where they're doing research. Yes, we do have to cater to the majority. Score[[Special:Contributions/ScoreCounter|C]]o[[User:ScoreCounter|u]]n[[User Talk:ScoreCounter|t]]er 13:23, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::Renaming the "beta element" articles to "development history of..." articles and making "beta elements" a redirect is not going to make it harder for a bunch of people who want to find out what the character select menu of Melee looked like earlier in development.[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 13:26, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Hold up. Aggressiveness will get you nowhere here; it will only make things worse. When someone disagrees with you, it's not because they're not listening. Please consider what they have to say; if you feel they are wrong, state a valid reason instead of restating your view baselessly. If you cannot discuss this in a civil manner, you may need to take a break for a little while. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:27, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:As far as I can tell, the argument for renaming is that Murabito (and nobody else) considers the name to be incorrect and that the wiki as a whole is "stupid" to leave it as is, in spite of the fact that renaming it would have no effect on the actual content and was never offensive or even incorrect in the first place. If anything, it seems to me that the problem lies less with the article name and more with the user who feels like his personal preference override the consensus of the entire wiki. Such behavior is not conducive to productive editing, and as such I request that the issue be dropped at once. --[[User:Anothrgamer1234|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234|talk]]) 15:55, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Anothrgamr r u n denial? [[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 17:22, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::No, he's right. Only you want the name to be changed, and even if we did, it wouldn't change the content of the page whatsoever. There's no reason for a name change. [[User: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkorange;"> '''Rtzxy''' </span>]] [[File:Signature SmashBall.jpeg]] [[User talk: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkblue;"> '''Smashing!''' </span>]] 17:33, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Actually there is. The reason why noone is agreeing with me is because the admins don't agree so therefore you must all agree with them. Also because you've all been brainwashed into thinking beta is the correct term when it isn't. If you would just use the correct words for once in your lives this would have been resolved earlier.[[User:Murabito]] [[File:Villager SSB4.png|20px]] 18:07, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::That's not why. We don't agree with admins because they're admins. We agree with them because we agree with them. Besides, [[SW:OFFICIAL|we don't have to use the correct term]] for names of moves or articles. Also, your signature [[SW:SIG|violates our signature policy]] - fix it, please. [[User: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkorange;"> '''Rtzxy''' </span>]] [[File:Signature SmashBall.jpeg]] [[User talk: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkblue;"> '''Smashing!''' </span>]] 18:13, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::If everyone is just following the admins and agreeing with them on everything, then why does the admin policy have [[SmashWiki:Administrators#Administrators are not kings|a section that explains why admins are not kings]]? Point is, almost everyone here agrees that there is no point in making such a big deal over a minor thing. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 18:16, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Move == | |||
I '''Support''' the move per the tag. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 19:03, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:'''Strongest support possible''' WAY inaccurate. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 19:03, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:'''Support''': Side note: the ''Beta elements (SSBX)'' pages should be moved as well. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 19:06, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::Agreed. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 19:06, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::Oh and perhaps [[:Category:Beta elements]] should go too. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 19:08, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
'''Support''' per tag. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:#090">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: #f00;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 19:10, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
'''Strong support'''. Kind of obscure title for something that a highly regarded source such as TCRF just calls "unused content". I suppose a redirect should be left for those that try to search with obvious terms. [[User:F0rZ3r0F0r|F0rZ3r0F0r]] ([[User talk:F0rZ3r0F0r|talk]]) 21:44, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:'''Strong support''' per tag. Great idea, it can encapsulate both planned and beta elements. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px orange">'''Smashedpotatoes'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:cerulean;text-shadow: 1px 1px 3px cyan">'''(Talk)'''</span>]] 01:06, 23 December 2015 (EST) | |||