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Aidan redirected me here due our discussion on physics in Smash 4, said you'd be the guy. The thing is, wavelanding is a feature exclusive to Melee, with only the slightest shown in Brawl due to a glitch apparently. Since Smash 4's release, videos have been made showcasing "wavedashes" or "wavelandings" or just plain glitches that show results similar to wavedashing from Melee, but most of them have no practical use, like Pit's ability to slip'n'slide up the pipes on a Mario stage. However, Bowser's second custom Side Special, Dash Slash, produces a technically exact looking waveland from Melee, minus the airdodge requirement. An up-tilt can be followed up well, a forward-tilt less so, but the crouch attack obviously works. Bowser appears unique with this ability. Has there been enough in-depth discussion about this? [[User:Superscooter|Superscooter]] ([[User talk:Superscooter|talk]]) 19:52, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | Aidan redirected me here due our discussion on physics in Smash 4, said you'd be the guy. The thing is, wavelanding is a feature exclusive to Melee, with only the slightest shown in Brawl due to a glitch apparently. Since Smash 4's release, videos have been made showcasing "wavedashes" or "wavelandings" or just plain glitches that show results similar to wavedashing from Melee, but most of them have no practical use, like Pit's ability to slip'n'slide up the pipes on a Mario stage. However, Bowser's second custom Side Special, Dash Slash, produces a technically exact looking waveland from Melee, minus the airdodge requirement. An up-tilt can be followed up well, a forward-tilt less so, but the crouch attack obviously works. Bowser appears unique with this ability. Has there been enough in-depth discussion about this? [[User:Superscooter|Superscooter]] ([[User talk:Superscooter|talk]]) 19:52, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | ||
:A quick look around the Bowser section of SmashBoards suggests that people know about it, but haven't really done too much with it simply because it's a custom move. Some call the "waveslash" a crutch, others call it a necessity. I'm not a Bowser guy so that's about all I know. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bomb 22:40, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::I brought him over here because the thing itself had more or less to do with the game physics, something you would definitely know about. ...Just thought I'd throw that out there. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 22:43, 5 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
==???== | |||
Hey, man. Uh, I see that you typed something in my talk page about links for custom special moves. I supposed it had to do with that article I created yesterday that held a list for every custom move... what concerns me is that the message about an article created ''yesterday'' was written ''two weeks ago''. | |||
Also, someone apparently deleted said article, and the wiki has no memory of it. Did you do that, or do you know who did? Just wondering. | |||
[[User:Herson|Herson]] ([[User talk:Herson|talk]]) 04:36, 6 April 2015 (EDT)Herson | |||
:The message I left you had to do with links on pages such as [[flame]], since that's what you were doing at the time. | |||
:Yes, I deleted the custom-moves-list page. The section was slated for deletion, not splitting. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Indescribable 09:44, 6 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Since when does "objective" mean we call every character good? == | |||
Looking at Marth's frame data, I'd say "Marth is bad" is an objective statement. Idk what Miles is trying to enforce here.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 13:43, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:"Marth is one of the worst characters in the game" is a subjective statement which says nothing that the objective statement "[Marth] currently has one of the worst high-level representations in large Smash 4 tournaments" doesn't already say. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:53, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::The statement was that "Some believe Marth to be one of the worst characters in the game" which is an objective and provable statement. We need to drop this charade of implicitly assuming all characters are good. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 15:19, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Tell me what your statement adds that the existing quote I listed above doesn't already convey. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:39, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>ahem* If I may give my opinion on the subject... | |||
::::It seems to me that there is a small misunderstanding. Brian, you believe that not saying "Marth is believed to be one of the worst characters in the game" implies all characters are good. That being said, removing that statement in favor of Miles's statement, "[Marth] currently has one of the worst high-level representations in large Smash 4 tournaments", wouldn't really imply all characters are good. It basically says the same thing. | |||
::::Now, outright placing on every page "____ has been buffed in Smash 4, giving them very high tournament results" would be another thing, but to my understanding, that is not the case. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 20:27, 7 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::It does not say the same thing. It only says that very few people use Marth. It doesn't say much about what the majority of the community thinks about Marth which is that he is garbage. Yoshi also sees very little tournament use and subsequently does not see good results, but the community largely believes Yoshi to be one of the better characters in the game.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 00:32, 8 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::See we just read things differently then. To me, the phrase "bad high-level representation" can mean "character is unplayed by many", "character earns worse results than their playerbase would suggest", or "both". In fact, with the way the page is currently written, I don't know how else to understand it other than "both". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Cloronic 09:49, 8 April 2015 (EDT) | |||