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 ::::::::::''I wasn't talking about anything you said about frame strips, I was just stating that there would have to be two.''
 ::::::::::When did I say otherwise? [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 16:30, 10 September 2013 (EDT)
+<br>(reset indent) Would you mind writing a description about Ike's neutral attack combined? [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 17:36, 13 September 2013 (EDT)
+:I can do that, but I don't have time now. Maybe tomorrow. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 17:41, 13 September 2013 (EDT)
+::Fine then.
+::Merged description:
+::''Ike punches with his left hand, then a step-forward kick, then an overhead swing of Ragnell, moving forward with each blow. This move alone gives Ike a great close range game, forcing the opponent to stay away from his jab range. It is very difficult to punish even when shielded for characters with poor out of shield options and is also great at punishing spot dodges. Excellent when crouch-canceled due to the first two hits having zero knockback and having high amount of hitstun, though it can be SDIed out of. Ike can perform versatile jab cancel combos with the first two jabs by crouch cancelling them, being able to use them repeatedly to rack up high damage, then being able to followup the second jab with an up tilt, down tilt, grab, etc. Its speed makes it a good out of shield option as well. The third hit delivers strong horizontal knockback and is one of the strongest neutral attacks in the game along with Snake's, being capable of KOing opponents around 150%. The first hit can jab lock, though this only works on certain parts of the hitbox, and due to Ike's speed, small changes in the setup can allow the opponent to break out of it. Does 4%, 5%, then 7%, for a total of 16% damage, but can deal about 20% or even 25% when jab canceled.''
+::Seperate descriptions:
+::First hit:
+::''Ike punches with his left hand. Does 4% damage. When used in conjunction with his second jab, Ike's neutral attack alone gives him a great close range game, forcing the opponent to stay away from his jab range. Along with the second jab, it has zero knockback, and has a high amount of hitstun, increasing jab cancel opportunities and followup options, as well as making the move excellent when crouch cancelled, though it can be SDIed out of. Its speed makes it a good out of shield option as well, whether only the first two jabs are used, or the entire combo is used. Ike's jab cancelling is usually performed by combining the first two hits repeatedly to rack up damage (it is possible to deal up to as high as 25%), with followup options usually being used after the second jab for maximum damage. Additionally, it can jab lock, though this only works on certain parts of the hitbox, and due to Ike's speed, small changes in the setup can allow the opponent to break out of it.''
+::Second hit:
+::''Ike does a step-forward kick. Does 5% damage. When used in conjunction with his second jab, Ike's neutral attack alone gives him a great close range game, forcing the opponent to stay away from his jab range. Along with the first jab, it has zero knockback, and has a high amount of hitstun, increasing jab cancel opportunities and followup options, as well as making the move excellent when crouch cancelled, though it can be SDIed out of. Ike's jab cancelling is usually performed by combining the first two hits repeatedly to rack up damage (it is possible to deal up to as high as 25%), with followup options after the second jab including up tilt, down tilt, grab, etc.''
+::Third hit:
+::''Ike does an overhead swing with Ragnell, doing 7% damage. Unlike his first two jabs, this jab is not suitable as a combo move, instead having all of the knockback of Ike's neutral attack. It is one of the strongest neutral attacks in the game along with Snake's, being capable of KOing opponents around 150%.
+::There. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 08:23, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
+:::If you like the separate descriptions better, I don't see why they can't all be on the same page. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 09:18, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
+::::Wut? It's either separate pages or merged pages (which will only have the merged description). [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 09:20, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
+:::::If you like the separate descriptions better, I don't see what's wrong with putting them on the same page (even if you take out the merged description). [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 09:26, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
+::::::This is steering away from the original conversation, but whatever. If the seperate descriptions were on the merged page, well, it would look like [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User:RoyboyX/MSNAs_merged&oldid=486704 that]. Toomai says that's a terrible misrep of how a merged page would look, and he says a merged page should look more like [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User:RoyboyX/MSNAs_merged&diff=486719&oldid=486704 that] (with just the merged description). [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 09:35, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
+:::::::They could be put at the top in separate paragraphs. I also don't see what's wrong with having the merged description, as it's not hard to follow, and there's nothing in the separate paragraphs that isn't/can't be described in the merged. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:24, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
+::::::::''They could be put at the top in separate paragraphs.''<br>
+::::::::Then they're not next to their frame data information while they likely should be.
+::::::::''I also don't see what's wrong with having the merged description, as it's not hard to follow, and there's nothing in the separate paragraphs that isn't/can't be described in the merged.''
+::::::::Having both the seperate and merged descriptions is pointless and a waste of space. And the merged description not being hard to follow, doesn't make it any easier to follow than the seperate descriptions. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 11:02, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
+:::::::::I didn't say that both the separate and merged descriptions had to be on the same page. The merged description isn't any harder to follow than the separate descriptions in my opinion, and flows better as well. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 15:07, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
+::::::::::An opinion is not what is valid. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 15:09, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
+:::::::::::That's rather irrelevant, as your thoughts on this article are opinions as well :/ [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 17:54, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
+::::::::::::I meant just saying "imo" or something without explaining... [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 18:03, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::I provided other reasons as well in that statement. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:29, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
 '''Oppose''': They aren't identical attacks and I think it looks better separately. It's not something like Mario (SSBB)/Forward Smash tilted upwards or something.
 --[[File:MMAI.png|link=|19px]][[User:MeMyselfAndI|<span style="color:#FF0000">Me</span>]][[User talk:MeMyselfAndI|Myself]][[Special:Contributions/MeMyselfAndI|<span style="color:#FF00FF">AndI</span>]] 13:46, 4 September 2013 (EDT)
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 Bump. Anyone else want to note on this? [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font><font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Light 17:21, 13 September 2013 (EDT)
+No one has responded to my three currently standing points. If this is still the case in a few days, I'm de-tagging it. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 17:33, 13 September 2013 (EDT)
+Bump. Can we get this over with already? [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 22:58, 20 September 2013 (EDT)
+De-tagged per [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_%28SSBB%29/Neutral_attack_1&diff=493512&oldid=491996]. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 16:12, 27 September 2013 (EDT)