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I understand the existence of tiers and find that the use of them, in my opinion, is entirely situational. That said, I have no qualm with Meta Knight being at the top of everyone, but according to his article, he has undocumented matchups against not only Pit--the one character whom everyone seems to be fond of fighting MK with--but with every single character in the G tier and half the characters in the F tier. I'm not by any means an expert on tiers, but to be considered the best, doesn't a character have to be proven to be better than everyone? Perhaps someone could shed some light on the subject. [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 23:18, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | I understand the existence of tiers and find that the use of them, in my opinion, is entirely situational. That said, I have no qualm with Meta Knight being at the top of everyone, but according to his article, he has undocumented matchups against not only Pit--the one character whom everyone seems to be fond of fighting MK with--but with every single character in the G tier and half the characters in the F tier. I'm not by any means an expert on tiers, but to be considered the best, doesn't a character have to be proven to be better than everyone? Perhaps someone could shed some light on the subject. [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 23:18, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:As the metagame advances and new techniques and strategies appear, matchups become obsolete. The current matchup chart ignores any matchups that have not been updated/rediscussed/reconfirmed for a year by the people on SmashBoards. Also remember that even though Meta Knight may not have all his matchups documented, most other characters have their matchup with Meta Knight documented, and while they may differ slightly, they're still pretty similar. In addition, while tiers and matchups usually agree with each other, they have no technical relation: tiers are based on tournament placings, while matchups are based on individial attributes and matchup-specific techniques. Finally, even if a character has a few bad (or unknown) matchups, they can still be top tier since the rest of their matchups are positive. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 00:12, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | :As the metagame advances and new techniques and strategies appear, matchups become obsolete. The current matchup chart ignores any matchups that have not been updated/rediscussed/reconfirmed for a year by the people on SmashBoards. Also remember that even though Meta Knight may not have all his matchups documented, most other characters have their matchup with Meta Knight documented, and while they may differ slightly, they're still pretty similar. In addition, while tiers and matchups usually agree with each other, they have no technical relation: tiers are based on tournament placings, while matchups are based on individial attributes and matchup-specific techniques. Finally, even if a character has a few bad (or unknown) matchups, they can still be top tier since the rest of their matchups are positive. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 00:12, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::So if the matchups are, in fact, documented on other characters' articles, why aren't they listed here? Or is it something similar to the Falco/MK debate where no one can agree who's better? [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 01:32, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | ::So if the matchups are, in fact, documented on other characters' articles, why aren't they listed here? Or is it something similar to the Falco/MK debate where no one can agree who's better? [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 01:32, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Each character's side has different views on the matchups. It's not always the other number.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 01:36, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | :::Each character's side has different views on the matchups. It's not always the other number.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 01:36, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Okay, so how are matchup ratios decided? Or is there an article that details that? [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 01:42, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Okay, so how are matchup ratios decided? Or is there an article that details that? [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 01:42, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | :::::The matchups reported here come from SmashBoards. Each character subforum has their own way of doing things, but the basic system seems to be discussing one matchup at a time until a consensus is established, which is then put into the main topic for that subforum. We have nothing to do with the matchups except for reporting them. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 02:42, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | ||