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*[[Forward aerial]]: | *[[Forward aerial]]: | ||
**{{change|Dr. Mario's forward aerial launches the opponent diagonally, whereas Mario's [[meteor smash]]es them. This makes it very effective at KOing on-stage, but much worse at edgeguarding and makes it less effective at starting combos on landing.}} | **{{change|Dr. Mario's forward aerial launches the opponent diagonally, whereas Mario's [[meteor smash]]es them. This makes it very effective at KOing on-stage, but much worse at edgeguarding and makes it less effective at starting combos on landing.}} | ||
**{{buff|The clean hit has higher base damage (14% → 15%), improving its KO potential even further.}} | **{{buff|The clean hit has higher base damage (14% → 15%) and has much more knockback scaling (78 → 102), improving its KO potential even further.}} | ||
**{{nerf|The early and late hits have lower base damage (12% (early)/10% (late) → 10%/9%).}} | **{{nerf|The early and late hits have lower base damage (12% (early)/10% (late) → 10%/9%), though with their knockback scaling compensated (80 → 95).}} | ||
**{{change|The sweeping visual commences a frame earlier, and the last frame of the visual is absent.}} | **{{change|The sweeping visual commences a frame earlier, and the last frame of the visual is absent.}} | ||
*[[Back aerial]]: | *[[Back aerial]]: | ||
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***{{nerf|However, it loses its combo potential earlier as a result.}} | ***{{nerf|However, it loses its combo potential earlier as a result.}} | ||
**{{buff|The clean hit and late hit both have a longer duration (2 frames → 3 (clean), 3 frames → 5 (late)).}} | **{{buff|The clean hit and late hit both have a longer duration (2 frames → 3 (clean), 3 frames → 5 (late)).}} | ||
**{{nerf|The clean hit has smaller hitboxes (4.5u/5.9u → 4.2u/5.4u), reducing its range.}} | **{{nerf|The clean hit has smaller hitboxes (4.5u/5.9u → 4.2u/5.4u), slightly reducing its range.}} | ||
**{{nerf|It has more landing lag (6 frames → 10).}} | **{{nerf|It has more landing lag (6 frames → 10).}} | ||
*[[Up aerial]]: | *[[Up aerial]]: | ||
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**{{nerf|It has more landing lag (6 frames → 8).}} | **{{nerf|It has more landing lag (6 frames → 8).}} | ||
*[[Down aerial]]: | *[[Down aerial]]: | ||
**{{change|Dr. Mario's down aerial is a double foot stomp, whereas Mario's has been [[Mario Tornado]] since ''Brawl''. Unlike Mario's, it | **{{change|Dr. Mario's down aerial is a double foot stomp, whereas Mario's has been [[Mario Tornado]] since ''Brawl''. Unlike Mario's, it hits once instead of six times.}} | ||
**{{change|It can meteor smash and send opponents horizontally instead of vertically. This makes it very good at edgeguarding, tech-chasing and starting combos, but less effective at KOing on-stage and extending/finishing combos.}} | **{{change|It can meteor smash and send opponents horizontally instead of vertically (94° (looping hits), 75° (final hit) → (270°/361°). This makes it very good at edgeguarding, tech-chasing and starting combos, but less effective at KOing on-stage, juggling and extending/finishing combos.}} | ||
**{{nerf|It deals slightly less base damage (1.4% (hits 1-5), 5.5% (hit 6); 12.5% (total) → 12%).}} | |||
**{{buff|It has reduced landing lag (15 frames → 13).}} | **{{buff|It has reduced landing lag (15 frames → 13).}} | ||
**{{nerf|It has significantly increased startup lag (frame 5 → 14) and more ending lag (frame 38 → 43).}} | **{{nerf|It has significantly increased startup lag (frame 5 → 14), less active frames (frame 5/7/9/11/13/23 → 14-17) and more ending lag (frame 38 → 43).}} | ||
**{{nerf|It lacks a landing hit.}} | **{{nerf|It lacks a landing hit.}} | ||
**{{nerf|It has significantly smaller hitboxes.}} | **{{nerf|It has significantly smaller hitboxes (4.3u/7.0u (looping hits), 11u (final hit) → 4.5u/5.2u), giving it significantly less range around Dr. Mario. Unlike Mario's, it cannot hit opponents above him.}} | ||
**{{change|Dr. Mario is silent when performing this move, unlike Mario.}} | **{{change|Dr. Mario is silent when performing this move, unlike Mario.}} | ||
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**{{change|Dr. Mario retains [[Dr. Tornado]] as his down special, whereas Mario's has been [[F.L.U.D.D.]] since ''Brawl''.}} | **{{change|Dr. Mario retains [[Dr. Tornado]] as his down special, whereas Mario's has been [[F.L.U.D.D.]] since ''Brawl''.}} | ||
**{{buff|Unlike F.L.U.D.D., Dr. Tornado deals damage, making it a very viable KO move at higher percents.}} | **{{buff|Unlike F.L.U.D.D., Dr. Tornado deals damage, making it a very viable KO move at higher percents.}} | ||
**{{buff|Compared to F.L.U.D.D., Dr. Tornado | **{{buff|Compared to F.L.U.D.D., Dr. Tornado extends Dr. Mario's recovery, making it significantly more effective to get back on-stage.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Compared to F.L.U.D.D., Dr. Tornado has significantly less range and is less important to his neutral game as a result.}} | **{{nerf|Compared to F.L.U.D.D., Dr. Tornado has significantly less range and is less important to his neutral game as a result.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Due to lacking a powerful windbox that pushes opponents away, it is less effective at gimping.}} | **{{nerf|Due to lacking a powerful windbox that pushes opponents away, it is less effective at gimping and is worse at stage control.}} | ||
*[[Doctor Finale]]: | *[[Doctor Finale]]: | ||
**{{change|Doctor Finale produces 2D and 3D Megavitamin-based effects and emits Megavitamins' contact sound effect, whereas [[Mario Finale]] produces 3D fiery effects and emits a burning sound effect.}} | **{{change|Doctor Finale produces 2D and 3D Megavitamin-based effects and emits Megavitamins' contact sound effect, whereas [[Mario Finale]] produces 3D fiery effects and emits a burning sound effect.}} | ||
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|neutral2dmg=1.764% | |neutral2dmg=1.764% | ||
|neutral3dmg=4.704% | |neutral3dmg=4.704% | ||
|neutraldesc=The {{iw|mariowiki|Punch}} + Punch + {{iw|mariowiki|Kick}} combo from ''{{iw|mariowiki|Super Mario 64}}''. Useful for spacing and comes out quickly. The first and second hits can also jab lock. | |neutraldesc=The {{iw|mariowiki|Punch}} + Punch + {{iw|mariowiki|Kick}} combo from ''{{iw|mariowiki|Super Mario 64}}''. Useful for spacing and comes out quickly. The first and second hits can also jab lock. Additionally, unlike Mario, the close-range hitbox of the first hit can [[jab cancel]] into Super Jump Punch at high percentages for a guaranteed KO confirm. | ||
|ftiltname=Middle Kick ({{ja|ミドルキック|Midoru Kikku}}) | |ftiltname=Middle Kick ({{ja|ミドルキック|Midoru Kikku}}) | ||
|ftiltdmg=10.584% | |ftiltdmg=10.584% | ||
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===Tier placement and history=== | ===Tier placement and history=== | ||
In the early metagame, opinions on Dr. Mario remained largely the same as it was in ''Super Smash Bros. 4''. Although his power, out of shield options, and damage racking capabilities were improved in the transition to ''Ultimate'', his sluggish speed, atrocious recovery, and mediocre range indicated that his worst weaknesses were still largely unaddressed, leaving him with poor matchups against characters such as {{SSBU|Palutena}}, {{SSBU|Shulk}}, and {{SSBU|Lucina}}. Although players such as {{Sm|Lui$}}, {{Sm|Locus}}, and {{Sm|Oryon}} saw success with | In the early metagame, opinions on Dr. Mario remained largely the same as it was in ''Super Smash Bros. 4''. Although his power, out of shield options, and damage racking capabilities were improved in the transition to ''Ultimate'', his sluggish speed, atrocious recovery, and mediocre range indicated that his worst weaknesses were still largely unaddressed, leaving him with poor matchups against characters such as {{SSBU|Palutena}}, {{SSBU|Shulk}}, and {{SSBU|Lucina}}. Although players such as {{Sm|Lui$}}, {{Sm|Locus}}, and {{Sm|Oryon}} saw success with Dr. Mario, most would either drop him or relegated him to a secondary, worsening his poor representation. As a result, most players, including {{Sm|Dark Wizzy}} and {{Sm|Mr.R}}, viewed Dr. Mario as a low tier, with some going as far as to say that he was one of the worst characters in the game. The current tier list reflects this, as Dr. Mario is ranked just above the likes of {{SSBU|King Dedede}}, {{SSBU|Little Mac}}, and {{SSBU|Ganondorf}}. | ||
Despite this negative perception, however, Dr. Mario still saw glimpses of success thanks to the efforts of dedicated mains, including {{Sm|Tsumusuto}} in Japan, {{Sm|JaZaR}} in Mexico, and {{Sm|Mabel}} during the online metagame. Furthermore, Dr. Mario received buffs from game updates that improved his combo and punish games. This left his true viability up to debate, with players such as {{Sm|Nairo}} and {{Sm|Leffen}} believing Dr. Mario was potentially a viable character, while other players maintained that he was still an unviable fighter due to improvements to other fighters, as well as the introductions of {{SSBU|Min Min}}, {{SSBU|Steve}}, and {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}. Nevertheless, Dr. Mario's perception has improved since the early metagame, although he is unanimously agreed to be inferior to {{SSBU|Mario}}. | Despite this negative perception, however, Dr. Mario still saw glimpses of success thanks to the efforts of dedicated mains, including {{Sm|Tsumusuto}} in Japan, {{Sm|JaZaR}} in Mexico, and {{Sm|Mabel}} during the online metagame. Furthermore, Dr. Mario received buffs from game updates that improved his combo and punish games. This left his true viability up to debate, with players such as {{Sm|Nairo}} and {{Sm|Leffen}} believing Dr. Mario was potentially a viable character, while other players maintained that he was still an unviable fighter due to improvements to other fighters, as well as the introductions of {{SSBU|Min Min}}, {{SSBU|Steve}}, and {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}. Nevertheless, Dr. Mario's perception has improved since the early metagame, although he is unanimously agreed to be inferior to {{SSBU|Mario}}. | ||