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Some of the changes to the engine benefit the duo. The introduction of [[attack canceling]] benefits Rosalina & Luma the most out of any returning veteran, as the duo can perform desynched attacks together (such as Luma using a grounded attack while Rosalina performs an aerial), giving the two unique attack options they didn't have before, and which are not shared with the rest of the cast. Aside from this, the universal reductions to [[landing lag]] allows them to chain their moves with more ease, and the changes to air dodges allow the duo to juggle and gimp opponents more easily, while Rosalina can now use a directional air dodge to recover more easily thanks to her floatiness. | Some of the changes to the engine benefit the duo. The introduction of [[attack canceling]] benefits Rosalina & Luma the most out of any returning veteran, as the duo can perform desynched attacks together (such as Luma using a grounded attack while Rosalina performs an aerial), giving the two unique attack options they didn't have before, and which are not shared with the rest of the cast. Aside from this, the universal reductions to [[landing lag]] allows them to chain their moves with more ease, and the changes to air dodges allow the duo to juggle and gimp opponents more easily, while Rosalina can now use a directional air dodge to recover more easily thanks to her floatiness. | ||
On the other hand, Rosalina & Luma also received some severe nerfs to their potent movesets. Rosalina's new neutral aerial has fewer active frames and Luma's own has slower startup, which makes them less useful option for approaching and disrupting opponents, respectively. Rosalina's notorious up aerial had its endlag increased, meaning that it can no longer chain into itself as easily. Gravitational Pull is slower and has lower range, making it unsafe against characters with fast projectiles. Luma also does not move forward as much when using its neutral attack, which severely impedes Rosalina's ability to halt approaches, ledge trap, and zone her opponents. Finally, the biggest nerf involves Luma, who now is frailer than ever, as it has not only has less HP, but also takes more knockback from attacks, making it much easier to KO. | On the other hand, Rosalina & Luma also received some severe nerfs to their potent movesets. Rosalina's new neutral aerial has fewer active frames and Luma's own has slower startup, which makes them less useful option for approaching and disrupting opponents, respectively. Rosalina's notorious up aerial had its endlag increased and doesn't last as long, meaning that it can no longer chain into itself as easily, with the increased safety on its late hit failing to compensate. Gravitational Pull is slower and has lower range, making it unsafe against characters with fast projectiles. Luma also does not move forward as much when using its neutral attack, which severely impedes Rosalina's ability to halt approaches, ledge trap, and zone her opponents. Finally, the biggest nerf involves Luma, who now is frailer than ever, as it has not only has less HP, but also takes more knockback from attacks, making it much easier to KO. | ||
Aside from this, some of the gameplay changes have hurt Rosalina & Luma. The changes to air dodges give them some of the slowest among the cast, which combined with the inability to use more than one per air time makes it more difficult for them to land and hampers their chances to get back to the stage. The reductions to landing lag, while giving the duo a more potent combo game, has also strengthened other characters' own combo and spacing games, hurting Rosalina's disadvantage state due to her lack of options to break pressure at close range. Lastly, the universal increase to mobility is especially harmful to the duo, as while they benefit from it as much as the returning cast, it makes it more difficult for Luma to effectively disrupt approaches when combined with its shorter range, which can leave Rosalina more vulnerable. | Aside from this, some of the gameplay changes have hurt Rosalina & Luma. The changes to air dodges give them some of the slowest among the cast, which combined with the inability to use more than one per air time makes it more difficult for them to land and hampers their chances to get back to the stage. The reductions to landing lag, while giving the duo a more potent combo game, has also strengthened other characters' own combo and spacing games, hurting Rosalina's disadvantage state due to her lack of options to break pressure at close range. Lastly, the universal increase to mobility is especially harmful to the duo, as while they benefit from it as much as the returning cast, it makes it more difficult for Luma to effectively disrupt approaches when combined with its shorter range, which can leave Rosalina more vulnerable. | ||
Due to the significant changes to their moveset, Rosalina & Luma are forced to play more aggressively compared to in ''SSB4'', which changes their playstyle substantially. Said playstyle is generally considered to be less effective than that of their previous iteration, as the duo is no longer able to wall out faster opponents as easily as before, and Rosalina's disadvantage state is harder to endure. Luma | Due to the significant changes to their moveset, Rosalina & Luma are forced to play more aggressively compared to in ''SSB4'', which changes their playstyle substantially. Said playstyle is generally considered to be less effective than that of their previous iteration, as the duo is no longer able to wall out faster opponents as easily as before, and Rosalina's disadvantage state is harder to endure. Luma receiving more knockback and having lower HP makes it easier to contest and thus leaves Rosalina more vulnerable; however, since Luma does not benefit from its additional damage multiplier when tethered to Rosalina, the duo is thus incentivized to be paired with each other less and use their unique strengths more frequently which can generate a variety of mix-ups and mindgames. The two have received significant buffs from balance patches, which have helped to negate some of their previous nerfs, but these don't entirely compensate for their further defined weaknesses. As a result, Rosalina & Luma are considered to be worse in ''Ultimate'', being one of the most nerfed characters in the transition from ''SSB4.'' | ||
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Upon ''Ultimate''{{'}}s release, players immediately noticed the nerfs to Luma's attacks and endurance that severely hampered Rosalina's ability to stop approaches, edge trap, and zone her opponents as effectively as in ''Super Smash Bros. 4''. Additionally, swordfighters were prevalent in the early metagame, which made Luma very vulnerable to being outranged. Despite {{SSBU|Meta Knight}} and {{SSBU|Cloud}} (their worst matchups in ''SSB4'') being nerfed noticeably in ''Ultimate'', some professionals claimed that Rosalina & Luma's nerfs were too harsh for them to even be mid tier fighters. As a result, they had little representation in the early metagame; this was further compounded by their best player, {{Sm|Dabuz}}, dropping them in favor of {{SSBU|Olimar}} as his sole main character. | Upon ''Ultimate''{{'}}s release, players immediately noticed the nerfs to Luma's attacks and endurance that severely hampered Rosalina's ability to stop approaches, edge trap, and zone her opponents as effectively as in ''Super Smash Bros. 4''. Additionally, swordfighters were prevalent in the early metagame, which made Luma very vulnerable to being outranged. Despite {{SSBU|Meta Knight}} and {{SSBU|Cloud}} (their worst matchups in ''SSB4'') being nerfed noticeably in ''Ultimate'', some professionals claimed that Rosalina & Luma's nerfs were too harsh for them to even be mid tier fighters. As a result, they had little representation in the early metagame; this was further compounded by their best player, {{Sm|Dabuz}}, dropping them in favor of {{SSBU|Olimar}} as his sole main character. | ||
However, Rosalina & Luma would receive significant buffs via updates 2.0.0 and 3.1.0 that negated some of their severe nerfs, especially to their range, power and frame data. As a result, Dabuz once again picked up Rosalina & Luma—albeit as a co-main alongside Olimar—while other players, such as {{Sm|Kirihara}} and {{Sm|Homika}}, started to achieve better results. Although Rosalina & Luma are still agreed to be among the most nerfed [[veteran]]s, their perception has significantly improved since ''Ultimate''{{'}}s initial release; most professionals now consider them to be upper mid tier or high tier fighters, with | However, Rosalina & Luma would receive significant buffs via updates 2.0.0 and 3.1.0 that negated some of their severe nerfs, especially to their range, power and frame data. As a result, Dabuz once again picked up Rosalina & Luma—albeit as a co-main alongside Olimar—while other players, such as {{Sm|Kirihara}} and {{Sm|Homika}}, started to achieve better results. Although Rosalina & Luma are still agreed to be among the most nerfed [[veteran]]s, their perception has significantly improved since ''Ultimate''{{'}}s initial release; most professionals now consider them to be upper mid tier or high tier fighters, with Dabuz in particular viewing them as top tier fighters. Regardless, they are ranked 48th on the first tier list, then rose to 43rd on the second and current tier list. | ||
=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: One Star after Another== | =={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: One Star after Another== | ||