SmashWiki:Requests for bureaucratship/Shadowcrest: Difference between revisions

=== [[User:Shadowcrest|Shadowcrest]] ([[User talk:Shadowcrest|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shadowcrest|contribs]] • [[Special:Editcount/Shadowcrest|edit count]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Shadowcrest|RFA]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for bureaucratship/Shadowcrest|RFB page]]) ===

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*'''Support'''Well, Mr. Tin Plated Dictator with Delusions of Godhood, you've proven yourself capable at pretty much everything thaat a bureaucrat should be able to do.[[User:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:gold;">L33t</span>]] [[User talk:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:silver;">Silvie</span>]] ^{<span style="color:Green;">[[Special:Contributions/L33tSilvie|Your epidermis is showing.</span>}]] 20:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)  

*'''Yea bro''' - Changed. Having only one bureaucrat that happens to be friends with a mod-bully is bad. Shadowcrest will do what he does best with power; neutralize. Dr. McSrs 4 bcratz. <span style="border:2px outset #ff66ff;background-color: #66ff99;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 22:05, 7 May 2009 (U.TC)

*I don't see why not. <span style="border:2px bottomset black;background-color: black;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:The Horror|<font color="Red">The Horror</font>]]''''^{[[User_talk:The Horror|<font color="white">Speak if you dare</font>]]}</span> 15:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

*'''Support''' - While I understand that it isn't absolutely mandatory for a wiki to have more than one bureaucrat, I do firmly believe that having more than one on a wiki will greatly benefit it for two main reasons.

:::For starters, the highest position on the wiki would be a staff member, so zzz.

:::All of those things you're saying about a bureaucrat arise because of who the bureaucrats are. Bureaucrats are people who promote/demote users. The end, hope you enjoyed the show. They are not the ultimate authority. They [[SW:YAV|are not the highest users on the food chain.]] They are not mediators. They are not the representatives of the community. They do not get what they want just because they say so. The most correct statement you made in that paragraph was "Being a bureaucrat isn't the expansion of a sysop", because it's not- and everything you're talking about is the job of the sysops. Sysops are the judges, the jury, and the executioners in all but maybe .01% of conflicts. Sysops do everything you're describing- mediating conflicts, arbitrating, blocks, and all the other diplomatic stuff you're talking about. And I've done it as a user and a sysop, so right off the bat there's proof that it doesn't have to do with being a bureaucrat. So if you want to go request a reconfirmation on the RfA be my guest- but that still doesn't help your case here. <!--Also, I hope you're enjoying your hypocrisy as much as I am.--> --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 19:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

::::Let me point a few things out.  First of all, the simple tools granted are not all that this is about.  There is a certain amount of prestige associated with the title of bureaucrat, regardless of if that prestige is artificial or if you disagree with it existing.  Possibly on other wikis it doesn't matter, but here it does and perception is quite important.  Two, considering that the tools (and as you argue the entire point of being a bureau) allow promoting/demoting of sysops, if someone has a problem with your actions as a sysop it stands to reason that s/he would not want you to be making other people sysops as well.  Three, you established precedent that actions as sysops are fair use in RfBs when you opposed Randall on the grounds that you disapproved of his actions as a sysop.  You don't get it both ways.  Four, one of the descriptions of bureaus is that s/he mediates user conflicts that transcend normal levels, so you are dead wrong in assuming that all you do is promote/demote.  Basically, I haven't made up my mind about where I stand on this (hence the placing in the neutral area), but I do feel a need to respond to some of the things that have been said above.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 19:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::In that, you are correct. There is an "air of superiority" that is associated with bureaucrats. It's crap, and I really and honestly wish people would stop putting sysops/bcrats on pedestals because of their positions, but yes, it's there. But that's still not why I'm running- I don't wish to abuse perceptions, as useful as that would be to me. Perhaps I could even work to reduce the informal bonus that we get along with our rights? ;)

To Semicolon: If you oppose him now, shouldn't you put a vote in the oppose section?[[User:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:gold;">L33t</span>]] [[User talk:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:silver;">Silvie</span>]] ^{<span style="color:Green;">[[Special:Contributions/L33tSilvie|Your epidermis is showing.</span>}]] 22:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)