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Do we have a specific preference between US-style standards of spelling (i.e. color, maneuver) and UK-style standards (i.e. colour, maneouvre)? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:01, 21 October 2010 (EDT)
Do we have a specific preference between US-style standards of spelling (i.e. color, maneuver) and UK-style standards (i.e. colour, maneouvre)? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:01, 21 October 2010 (EDT)
:I think we just do whatever, and you're not supposed to make an edit that only includes changing those things. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 19:05, 21 October 2010 (EDT)
:I think we just do whatever, and you're not supposed to make an edit that only includes changing those things. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 19:05, 21 October 2010 (EDT)
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Why is it that links such as <nowiki>[[grab|grabbing]]</nowiki> are considered "less efficient" than <nowiki>[[grab]]bing</nowiki>? Edits to change this are completely pointless and unnecessary. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:45, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
Why is it that links such as <nowiki>[[grab|grabbing]]</nowiki> are considered "less efficient" than <nowiki>[[grab]]bing</nowiki>? Edits to change this are completely pointless and unnecessary. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:45, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:...I did a edit like that. So are you saying I'm doing pointless stuff?--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] '''[[Special:Contributions/Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:green">The</span>]]''' '''[[Special:Editcount/Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:red">best!</span>]]''' 10:59, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:...I did a edit like that. So are you saying I'm doing pointless stuff?--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] '''[[Special:Contributions/Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:green">The</span>]]''' '''[[Special:Editcount/Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:red">best!</span>]]''' 10:59, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::Basically a lot of users will view it as pointless due to both of the links will link to the same page and will both look the same when not editing, the only postive it has is to save a couple of bits. At the moment though it is not considered pointless due to that being the correct way to link in the Manual of Style.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 11:09, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::Basically a lot of users will view it as pointless due to both of the links will link to the same page and will both look the same when not editing, the only postive it has is to save a couple of bits. At the moment though it is not considered pointless due to that being the correct way to link in the Manual of Style.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 11:09, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:::That does not answer my question on why one form of linking is considered "more efficient" than the other, as both ways of linking appear exactly the same on the page people view. Just because it is currently in the manual of style does not mean it is automatically correct. And yes Wolf Rulez, I'm saying all edits that only change one form of linking to the other is unnecessary and adds nothing to the page, therefore such edits are pointless. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:32, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:::That does not answer my question on why one form of linking is considered "more efficient" than the other, as both ways of linking appear exactly the same on the page people view. Just because it is currently in the manual of style does not mean it is automatically correct. And yes Wolf Rulez, I'm saying all edits that only change one form of linking to the other is unnecessary and adds nothing to the page, therefore such edits are pointless. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:32, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::I was actually answering Wolf Rulez's question, hence why it doesn't answer yours and why it is spaced under Wolf's comment.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 11:37, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::I was actually answering Wolf Rulez's question, hence why it doesn't answer yours and why it is spaced under Wolf's comment.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 11:37, 25 May 2011 (EDT)


Suffix links make things easier to read and harder to spell wrong for the editor, have no effect on the reader, and are (most likely) no more expensive to process than piped links; Wikipedia [[wikipedia:WP:LINK#Piped Links|sums it up]] with "This is easier to type and clearer to read in the source text." While I can agree that you probably shouldn't devote a single edit to changing piped links to suffix links, they appear have no downsides whatsoever. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Chilled 12:15, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
Suffix links make things easier to read and harder to spell wrong for the editor, have no effect on the reader, and are (most likely) no more expensive to process than piped links; Wikipedia [[wikipedia:WP:LINK#Piped Links|sums it up]] with "This is easier to type and clearer to read in the source text." While I can agree that you probably shouldn't devote a single edit to changing piped links to suffix links, they appear have no downsides whatsoever. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Chilled 12:15, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
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::::::And @Toomai, common≠proper. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 00:54, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
::::::And @Toomai, common≠proper. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 00:54, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
:::::::I know the general population is moronic but I'm not seeing evidence of a widespread conniption of users thinking "this is in SSB" means "this is in the Smash Bros. series". And neither "SSB64" nor "Smash 64" is proper (isn't any sort of abbreviation or shorthard improper by definition?), which is why I went to see which is common. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Wacko 01:00, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
::::::::When you think "Super Smash Bros." (which is what SSB stands for), do you think the game, or the series? I sure as hell don't think of the game right away. And I still don't get everyone's conniption with "64". It's common to tack that onto Nintendo 64 games even if they don't have it in their titles, such as Superman. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 01:12, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
::::::::Also, where are you getting these numbers? When I google, Smash 4 gets 320,000,000 compared to SSB4's 471,000, and Smash 64 gets 61,300,000 compared to SSB64's 112,000. When I add quotes, SSB4 surpasses Smash 4, but Smash 64 remains ahead of SSB64. Hell, even googling SSB gets less results than googling Smash 64 without quotes. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 02:46, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
:::::::::I got the numbers with "site:smashboards.com" and "-site:smashboards.com", as well as putting quotes around "SSB64", "Smash 64", "SSB4", and "Smash 4".
:::::::::When I see "Super Smash Bros.", I think "this could be the game or the series, and the context will make it blatantly obvious". When I see "Smash Bros.", I think "the series, unless the writer's a casual". When I see "Smash", I think "could be Smash Bros., but could also be one of hundreds of things with "smash" in the name".
:::::::::I have no problem with the 64 in SSB64, in case that hasn't been clear anywhere. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Xanthic 06:56, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
== Pokemon gender pronouns ==
So recently, [[Talk:Jigglypuff (PM)#Pokemon gender for Project M|discussion started]] on if pokemon should be referred to by the gender pronoun the PM team refers to them by on their PM pages. This got me thinking, that we should just do away with the "it", and refer to pokemon by the gender pronoun most commonly used for them by the Smash community. [[SmashWiki is not official]], and we made it clear before we'll use the common community term over the official name (e.g., tech over ukemi, tripping over prat falling, etc.). So the reasoning before that we use "it" instead of "he/she" because it's "official" doesn't hold water. Plus, we constantly have users referring to pokemon by their commonly used gender pronoun on the wiki, and often times using them in articles, even inadvertently (I know there been a few times I used he or she instead of it without thinking about it).
So I propose we end the "pokemon are it" policy, and just go with whatever gender pronoun the Smash community associates with the pokemon. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:43, 22 November 2013 (EST)
:While I myself is more used to using "it" since the gender of Pokemon can vary, I would have to agree with you that having gender pronouns instead makes it easier to understand, since frankly most people even outside the smash community do gender pronouns on Pokemon all the time. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="darkorange">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Smasher 01:04, 22 November 2013 (EST)
:So which genders would these be? Is Jigglypuff female? Does Mewtwo get a gender, despite it not having one at all? As always, I'm dubious about this kind of change, particularly if it gives Mewtwo a gender. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 02:34, 22 November 2013 (EST)
::Pikachu/Pichu = Male
::Lucario = Male
::Mewtwo = Male (He's generally referred to as male by the community, and I don't consider his genderless status in the games to be significant really).
::Jigglypuff = Female
::Charizard = Male
::Squirtle = Male
::Ivysaur I'm not sure about, as I see a chunk of smashers refer to Ivysaur as female, while another chunk use male pronouns for Ivysaur. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:48, 22 November 2013 (EST)
:::Looks good. I'm not sure about Ivysaur either . . . but I must voice my concern about Mewtwo. If a Pokemon is inherently genderless, rather than one with both male and female, like the rest, in this case, is it okay to refer to it as a he or a she? We're already treading a weird line, so I'd say I prefer referring to Mewtwo as an 'it', as it is.
:::One thing that does work against me is that the P:M page refers to it as a he, and I used that same logic to support Jigglypuff being referred to with female pronouns and as a she in general. — [[User:Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon|Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon]] ([[User talk:Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon|talk]]) [[File:Jigglypuff_the_Magic_Dragon_sig.png]] 08:38, 22 November 2013 (EST)
In the end I don't really care either way, but here's my opinion:
*Don't force "it" for playable Pokémon, but don't force "he/she/etc" either. Keep consistency, but don't change for the sake of change. (Somewhat like the English variant spellings.)
*Keep the "it" stipulation for non-playable Pokémon and when talking about playable ones in a non-Smash Bros. context.
[[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Superlative 10:29, 22 November 2013 (EST)
I think maintaining the usage of "it" consistently for Pokemon in the context of Smash is important. Unless we have a confirmed gender anywhere for them (which we don't), we shouldn't use one. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:12, 22 November 2013 (EST)
:I have a more defined opinion now. Pikachu, Squirtle, Charizard, Jigglypuff, Lucario, I don't care, give them genders if that's what we decide on. It's harder to tell Pichu's gender, it probably just doesn't have one, but male is more popular, so I'm indifferent to that too. However, I have a problem with giving pronouns to Ivysaur and Mewtwo.
:As has been said, there's much debate over Ivysaur's gender. If there's two popular pieces of conflicting speculation, we should stick with what's official, and not give it a gender.
:Mewtwo, I'm particularly opposed to. Official sources outright call Mewtwo genderless. There's more to it than "all legendaries are genderless so they can't breed", Mewtwo wouldn't have a gender for it is man-made. I don't frankly give a damn if ''Smash'' players call it male, Mewtwo ''is'' genderless, which we should respect. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 12:52, 22 November 2013 (EST)
::Yeah, I'd want to call Mewtwo an 'it'. Also—Brawl came out after gender differences in Pokemon were introduced, should we consider Pikachu a confirmed male? For the rest of the Pokemon, all we have is voices, Pokemon gender ratios, and costumes . . . I don't think anybody would contest calling Squirtle, Charizard, Lucario, and Pichu 'he', but Ivysaur is more debatable, though the only evidence for it being female is its Japanese voice. Jigglypuff is quite commonly accepted as a female, plus her inherently feminine costumes, plus Jigglypuff's gender ratio itself. But the only ones we have solid evidence on are Mewtwo and (I believe) Pikachu. — [[User:Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon|Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon]] ([[User talk:Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon|talk]]) [[File:Jigglypuff_the_Magic_Dragon_sig.png]] 22:00, 22 November 2013 (EST)
I think we should refer to the Pokémon by its name as much as possible without using a pronoun. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:52, 22 November 2013 (EST)
:The problem is, that'd be ridiculously cumbersome in general. — [[User:Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon|Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon]] ([[User talk:Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon|talk]]) [[File:Jigglypuff_the_Magic_Dragon_sig.png]] 22:00, 22 November 2013 (EST)
Ok, so from what I get from this, people will be fine with the following:
Referring to Pikachu, Pichu, Lucario, Charizard, and Squirtle as male.
Referring to Jigglypuff as female.
Referring to Mewtwo and Ivysaur as "it" (the former for being technically genderless, and the latter for gender ambiquty among the Smash community).
Any objections? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:42, 24 November 2013 (EST)
:Yes...? Why ask that when you can clearly see that there are problems with that approach that have been raised just a few lines above? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:15, 24 November 2013 (EST)
::The only "problems" people had were with Mewtwo and Ivysaur, which was resolved to just stick with "it" for them. You saying you prefer "it" isn't "raising clear problems with that approach". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:25, 24 November 2013 (EST)
:::"SmashWiki is not official" was designed for cases where the community had clear terminology for certain things before the official name became known. Genders of Pokemon, however, are definitely ambiguous in this context. We don't have any basis for applying pronouns other than "it", especially since it would cause consistency problems with Mewtwo, Ivysaur, and non-playable Pokemon. We should maintain the current practice of using "it" for reasons like this. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:39, 24 November 2013 (EST)
::::"''"SmashWiki is not official" was designed for cases where the community had clear terminology for certain things before the official name became known.''"
::::And what do you know, the Smash community has clear consistent terminology here, Ivysaur/Mewtwo are the only pokemon this isn't the case for. Also, "when the official name became known" is irrelevant; as long as the community term is much more widespread in use, that is the term we use, regardless of if it became before the official name (tech vs. ukemi) or after (tripping vs. prat falling).
::::"''Genders of Pokemon, however, are definitely ambiguous in this context.''"
::::Except they're not ambiguous. 99% of smashers refer to Pikachu/Pichu, Lucario, Charizard, and Squirtle as male, while 99% of smashers refer to Jigglypuff as female. You can't get more consistent and non-ambiguous than that.
::::"''We don't have any basis for applying pronouns other than "it"''"
::::Yeah we do, when "it" is pretty much never used outside the forcing of it on the Wiki mainspace.
::::"''specially since it would cause consistency problems with Mewtwo, Ivysaur, and non-playable Pokemon.''"
::::This is no real "consistency" problem and is just unnecessary lumping. Non-playable pokemon here are a non-factor, and referring to Mewtwo/Ivysaur as "it" while the other pokemon have gender pronouns that everyone uses for them isn't gonna cause some mass confusion. Additionally, characters should be handled by a case by case basis on how we refer to them, not just lump a bunch of characters together for "consistency".
::::Simply put, allow the common gender pronoun on the pokemon outside Mewtwo and Ivysaur, with it noted for the latter two that "it" is used due to nonconsensus on the proper gender pronoun for them. It's simple and "consistent" enough. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:13, 24 November 2013 (EST)
::::: Exactly—it'd be no more inconsistent than the rule about American vs Commonwealth spellings. As long as it's consistent within an article, it'd be fine. I'm in support of going forward as Omega Tyrant laid out. — [[User:Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon|Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon]] ([[User talk:Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon|talk]]) [[File:Jigglypuff_the_Magic_Dragon_sig.png]] 16:20, 24 November 2013 (EST)
I'd actually like to see this get passed so that edits regarding gender-neutral pronouns actually have some official backing on the Wiki. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 22:43, 29 December 2013 (EST)
== Regarding dates ==
Are both American and European date formats acceptable provided they are kept consistent on pages, or should the Wiki use only one format? --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:13, 28 January 2014 (EST)
:I think both used consistently are fine, just like spellings. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Orchestral 18:17, 28 January 2014 (EST)
== Player ==
Should "Player" be capitalized? --[[User:TommyNook|TommyNook]] ([[User talk:TommyNook|talk]]) 13:23, 6 April 2014 (EDT)
:It's not a proper noun; I don't see any reason for it to be. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Resolute 13:25, 6 April 2014 (EDT)
== "Cancelling" articles ==
If it's supposed to be a noun, shouldn't it be "____'''cancellation'''" instead? In other words, I would like the "___ canceling" articles to be "___ cancellation" to fit with the noun policy. I would also like the two ls, as "cancellation" is also used in the USA. {{s|user|Red}} ([[User talk:Red|talk]]) [[File:RedSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/Red|Red]] 10:26, 21 May 2014 (EDT)
:The -ing suffix is a valid way to turn verbs into nouns. I think this would be an unnecessary change. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spectrum 10:51, 21 May 2014 (EDT)
#-ing is how they are referred to in the community.
#See Toomai's: To elaborate, canceling is a gerund. It can be used as both a noun or a verb. ''M2K practices L-canceling // Did you see M2K L-canceling in that vid?'' [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 12:42, 21 May 2014 (EDT)
::For some reason, I thought gerunds were used as verbs or ''adjectives'', but my dictionary says it's nouns. Still, I believe gerunds should only be used as a noun form if it doesn't already have a noun form (e.g. cancellation), but that's just my opinion. I guess it doesn't matter. {{s|user|Red}} ([[User talk:Red|talk]]) [[File:RedSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/Red|Red]] 10:10, 22 May 2014 (EDT)
==Pokémon Gender==
The discussion above wasn't really finished, wasn't it? Anyways, I would like to improve this line:<br>
"All Pokémon should be treated as gender-neutral."<br>
Here's my only problem with that line: Pokémon that only have one gender, such as [[Chansey]]. Here's what I'm thinking of changing the line to:<br>
"All Pokémon should be treated as gender-neutral, ''unless the Pokémon can only be one gender, in which in that case the Pokémon can be referred to as that gender''".<br>
As I said, the previous discussion above doesn't appear finished and this line is in a somewhat debatable state. Thoughts? <font face="AmericanTypewriter">[[User: Rtzxy|<span style="color:darkorange;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:blue;">Smashing!</span>]]</font> 16:07, 14 October 2014 (EDT)
:There's no particular reason to make this change. In addition to the fact that it would create inconsistency across different Pokemon pages, it contradicts how the games themselves refer to the Pokemon. For example, Chansey's Melee trophy uses "it" even while discussing the 100% female nature of the species. Aside from [[Event 25: The Aura Is With Me|rare goofs]], this is highly consistent across official sources. (If that wasn't enough, Bulbapedia also changed its policy to strictly using "it" for species, restricting "him"/"her" for individual Pokemon with known genders.) [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:36, 14 October 2014 (EDT)
== About metric ==
I think that we should replace the bullet point in the "American or non-American English" section on "don't edit to change units" with a new top-level bullet point something like this:
::*''As the ''Smash Bros.'' series was developed in Japan, all its underlying data is coded in metric units. Therefore, when referring to in-game measurements, always use metric first, followed by an imperial measurement if necessary.''
::**''Example: Hit Sandbag '''1000m (3280 ft.)''' or more in Home-Run Contest.''
::**''Exception: If a trophy description is different between NTSC and PAL regions (and the measurement units are not the only difference), use only whatever units are appropriate.''
Thoughts? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Riotous 13:52, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
:Just to keep consistency, I will '''support''' this. It'll take work to change all the measurements though. <font face="sand">''[[User:Qwerty|<font color="black">Qw</font><font color="003F3F">er</font><font color="005F5F">ty</font>]] ''[[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="005F6F">(t</font><font color="003C6F">al</font><font color="000F7F">k)</font>]]</font> 13:55, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
::I '''support''' this, since most of the world uses metric (in fact, the US is the only country to ''not'' use it). <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 14:01, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
Bumping this. Would like to codify soon. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Glow 00:32, 29 November 2014 (EST)
:One month and no dissent; putting in. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Glow 23:11, 3 December 2014 (EST)