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#"""Support""" Aggregating a score would create an even, un-biased opinion. SmashWiki is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, Smash-related sites out there, and a lot of people (myself included) look at the tier lists for choosing a main and just to see where certain characters stand. As ChilePepp3r said, tier lists can't disappear. Sure, other methods are less work, but this option would solidify tier lists forever, and make SmashWiki the prime site for tier lists. Hence why we need to choose this option. [[User:Super Eli|Super Eli]] ([[User talk:Super Eli|talk]]) 11:55, September 24, 2020 (EDT)
#"""Support""" Aggregating a score would create an even, un-biased opinion. SmashWiki is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, Smash-related sites out there, and a lot of people (myself included) look at the tier lists for choosing a main and just to see where certain characters stand. As ChilePepp3r said, tier lists can't disappear. Sure, other methods are less work, but this option would solidify tier lists forever, and make SmashWiki the prime site for tier lists. Hence why we need to choose this option. [[User:Super Eli|Super Eli]] ([[User talk:Super Eli|talk]]) 11:55, September 24, 2020 (EDT)
#'''Support''' I'm not a huge fan of tier lists personally. However, I recognize that for many people they are a go-to source. I think that as long as they're treated fairly, which aggregation trypically is, I have no issue with tier lists being represented. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; font-size:10pt">[[User:Johnnywellens|<span style="color:forestgreen">JohnnyWellens</span>]]</span> 17:17, October 4, 2020 (EDT)
#'''Support''' I'm not a huge fan of tier lists personally. However, I recognize that for many people they are a go-to source. I think that as long as they're treated fairly, which aggregation trypically is, I have no issue with tier lists being represented. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; font-size:10pt">[[User:Johnnywellens|<span style="color:forestgreen">JohnnyWellens</span>]]</span> 17:17, October 4, 2020 (EDT)
#'''Support''' Now I'd waited for my life until the first offical tier list came out and [https://twitter.com/jaaahsh/status/1229812803852173313?lang=en|this is the closest so far]. All I'd wanted to say is that no I'm not crazy of choosing this because this has the most, but it has some reason I needed to choose this one for good reasons. These reasons are from option 3 only due to being a bit lazy.
#'''Support''' Now I'd waited for my life until the first offical tier list came out and [https://twitter.com/jaaahsh/status/1229812803852173313?lang=en|this is the closest so far]. All I'd wanted to say is that no I'm not crazy of choosing this because this has the most, but it has some reason I needed to choose this one for good reasons. These reasons are from option 3 only due to being a bit lazy. 1. Regularly, tier lists can perform with each individual players in their own perspective with these tier lists, not just one. For example, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5EV406Aeq0|Hungrybox made a tier list] and puts each depth by their own experience by tournaments and one from each basic timeline can tell their own opinions. If one looks more official than the others, they put it first due to how easier it is that these lists are, based on tournament results. 2. Arguebally, the main platforms for tier lists and how each person makes one makes it in a private room like Discord as an example. We should justify the places we would arguably make one. If this wiki has one in the future we can put it in the Discord and make some adjustments into it. Notably, I would also try to use Google Sheets to make it cleaner due to how much people are using Google more. 3. Matchup charts were part of the tier list back then which was used for 64-Brawl, but in Smash 4 they completely removed it. This reason is why match-up charts gotta go. It can still be useable but due to many characters being added from the previous installments to now, it's very hard and not able to know these matchups all combined together. This is why Smash 4 lacked the match-up chart, the big roster and DLC characters made it hard for matchups to begin. This was a problem to Mii Brawler in the early ''Smash 4'' meta and Bayonetta in all when she was released. This is why I gotta choose 3 for a reason with many lackable things like SmashBoards not having one and literally new characters can be hard. But at least we can see other top professional players' opinions. [[User:Howplayz|<span style="font-family: Caveat;color:Blue;">''How''</span>]][[File:IkeHeadEatingChickenSSBU.png|20px]][[User talk:Howplayz|<span style=" font-family: Caveat;color: Gold;">Playz</span>'']] 23:00, September 28, 2020 (EDT)
#'''Support''' I honestly think this is the option we should pick and not just because of all the votes already. This one should be the one we select because it'll show we aren't closed off from the rest of the community since we are picking tier lists from all over the community and plus this choice show we aren't totally dependent on others for simple things like tier lists. <font color="red">Preceding comment that was ptotally signed by [[user:CaptainDabsalot|CaptainDabsalot]] ([[user talk:CaptainDabsalot|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/CaptainDabsalot|Contribs]])</font> 10:51, October 14, 2020 (EDT)
#'''Support''' I honestly think this is the option we should pick and not just because of all the votes already. This one should be the one we select because it'll show we aren't closed off from the rest of the community since we are picking tier lists from all over the community and plus this choice show we aren't totally dependent on others for simple things like tier lists. <font color="red">Preceding comment that was ptotally signed by [[user:CaptainDabsalot|CaptainDabsalot]] ([[user talk:CaptainDabsalot|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/CaptainDabsalot|Contribs]])</font> 10:51, October 14, 2020 (EDT)
1. Regularly, tier lists can perform with each individual players in their own perspective with these tier lists, not just one. For example, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5EV406Aeq0|Hungrybox made a tier list] and puts each depth by their own experience by tournaments and one from each basic timeline can tell their own opinions. If one looks more official than the others, they put it first due to how easier it is that these lists are, based on tournament results.
2. Arguebally, the main platforms for tier lists and how each person makes one makes it in a private room like Discord as an example. We should justify the places we would arguably make one. If this wiki has one in the future we can put it in the Discord and make some adjustments into it. Notably, I would also try to use Google Sheets to make it cleaner due to how much people are using Google more.
3. Matchup charts were part of the tier list back then which was used for 64-Brawl, but in Smash 4 they completely removed it. This reason is why match-up charts gotta go. It can still be useable but due to many characters being added from the previous installments to now, it's very hard and not able to know these matchups all combined together. This is why Smash 4 lacked the match-up chart, the big roster and DLC characters made it hard for matchups to begin. This was a problem to Mii Brawler in the early ''Smash 4'' meta and Bayonetta in all when she was released.
This is why I gotta choose 3 for a reason with many lackable things like SmashBoards not having one and literally new characters can be hard. But at least we can see other top professional players' opinions. [[User:Howplayz|<span style="font-family: Caveat;color:Blue;">''How''</span>]][[File:IkeHeadEatingChickenSSBU.png|20px]][[User talk:Howplayz|<span style=" font-family: Caveat;color: Gold;">Playz</span>'']] 23:00, September 28, 2020 (EDT)


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