Talk:Hookshot/Archive 1

We have 2 pics of clawshot; could we get one of hookshot for visual comparison? annoying1359 02:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that this page is no longer a stub, I checked the first 10 edits in history and I haven't even found when they inserted the stub marker. Feel free to remove or leave it, I'm just saying I'm against this page's stubbiness. --MLaRF, 18:34 Greenwitch mean, 16 January, 2009.

How about a name change to Hook/Clawshot? Sounds much better than the two being seperate.--O² 20:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

With a slash? That's a subpage. Miles (talk) 20:48, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

What about a dash? Naw, that wouldn't work. I'm just spitting ideas.--Oxico^{I hear voices crying}_{I see heroes dying} 17:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge?

Keep separate - There is enough notability here. BNK ^[E|T|C] 21:29, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Don't merge - The hookshot and clawshot both have special properties and for this reason I believe they should be treated in a similar manner to special moves. Furthermore, the amount of writing required to cover the details of their properties is enough to warrant its own article. 118.243.228.102 05:07, August 12, 2010 (UTC) <-- Mako Shark (talk) 05:09, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

What "details"? They're only tethers. They can easily be described in one or two sentences. Who cares if they have special move like properties, so do Ness' Side smash and Snake's smashes or taunts, but they don't have articles for one reason: They have not caused much disscussion in the community. Falcon's down and forward aerials have articles because they have: the Knee is perhaps Falcon's most useful move, and the Nipple Spike is very notable in that it wasn't disscovered until years after Melee was released, unlike most spikes. This article has no such notability, and thus should be merged. Sir Anon the great 05:15, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

What proof is there that Link's z-air and tether climb haven't generated that much discussion? Mako Shark (talk) 05:19, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Because if they did, then it would be mentioned on the article? Anon 05:24, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

That's not true at all. Just because something's not mentioned in a Smash wiki article doesn't automatically make it untrue. Regardless, Link's tether grab is a damaging z-air and tether recovery. As it stands, these z-airs get articles. Mako Shark (talk) 05:27, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Keep For the same reason that CHawk posted in his post for why the Grapple Beam should have an article. Also, the information in this article is all relevant and there's no need to cut relevant and necessary information to merge it. Also Anon, actually research before making the claim that the hookshot/clawshot has not generated discussion. Omega Tyrant 05:30, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

If it has, can you please link to a smashboards thread about it? Sir Anon the great 05:47, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Btw if it has indeed generated nearly as much disscussion as the Knee, and you can show this, I will change my vote to Keep. Mr. Anon teh awsome 05:47, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't need to have had as much discussion as the knee. It's a damaging z-air that has extra properties, which are used in a different manner to normal grabs, therefore it warrants its own article. Mako Shark (talk) 05:51, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Again, what extra properties? If you're talking about the tether, that means nothing. I'm not going to repeat myself again, but Ness' side smash has reflector properties, but it doesn't have an article. Snake has like 5 non special move projectiles, but none of those moves have articles. Luigi's taunt is a spike, but it doesn't have an article. Sir Anon the great 05:53, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Finally, plugging in the dictionary definition "worthy of attention or notice". Since nobody has given examples of it being given great attention, I could stop here, but I'll let people give comments. Mr. Anon teh awsome 06:00, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

I'll ask you this Anon. Could you write an article on those moves that is a large and detailed as this one, while keeping all of the information relevant? Simply put, you would not be able to with those moves. Also, Snake only has one non special projectile (u-smash). You shouldn't be debating this stuff if you don't know your facts. Omega Tyrant 06:02, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

While the article is long, most of the information is on stuff like individual hitboxes and animations, repeated for all three Links. As for Snake, his down smash is also a projectile, as are his taunts (I counted the taunts as seperate since they require different button inputs for each). Please don't immediately assume that I know nothing of what I'm talking about. About the other moves, I'm not sure if I could write as much as this article, as I have no knowledge of individual hitboxes. The only valid reason I see for keeping this is because it is a move shared by three characters, but that still means that grapple beam and rope snake need to go. Mr. Anon teh awsome 06:09, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

The d-smash is not a projectile. The definition of a projectile, "any object propelled through space by the application of a force". That does not apply to Snake's d-smash. Now I'll challenge you, since you're complaining about details, go through this article and tell me what information you believe is irrelevant and/or unnecessary. As I see it, the information in this article is full of relevant and necessary details. The information here is also more fitting in its own article than on Link's page. Omega Tyrant 06:24, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

No Merge. Basically the same as we did with Samus. These are unique moves, with techniques specific to them. We don't want to make the Link page(s) any longer, and this is the best way to maintain the information. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:27, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
Keep. Unique. Notable. And what would we gain from merging this?--MegaTron1XD 15:30, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Changing my mind about this article. It's a move shared by three characters, exists in all the games, and is pretty detailed. However, I keep my stance about Rope Snake and Grapple Beam. Anon 17:24, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, I have also changed my mind about the other two. However, I am going to create an article about Ness' Side smash, due to it's unique abilities. Mr. Anon teh awsome 00:39, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

This is a different discussion, guys

Seeing as the tag is still present on the page, I'll add another opinion. Keep them as one article, as they're basically the same thing, except one looks a little different, has a different name, and an extra hitbox on the end. If the two were split, Gale Boomerang would need its own article, and if the two were separate articles, they would be fairly short in length, whereas we might as well have an impressive bulky article on both. Toast ltimatum 10:04, 24 August 2012 (EDT)

Separate If there are enough differing properties to get them split up, then I say go for it. --RoyboyX Talk 16:46, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

Split Per RoyboyX. Air Conditioner Now with ROLLBACK! 17:18, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

Keep into one article A unique page that has all the info, and they are basically similar in almost every way. Dots The Laser 17:28, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

Keep. In the Zelda series, these items are functionally similar. In the Smash series, they are identical in function. No point splitting this. Mr. Anontalk 18:41, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

Hold on here!

These original thread, started by me, was to propose a merge with the Link articles, not whether to split Hookshot and Clawshot into different articles. As you can see in the other grab article talk pages, this was settled. If you want to start a new discussion, keep in a separate thread. Mr. Anontalk 18:44, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

I notice you spotted that this discussion is over two years old. Good job. :P Dots The Laser 18:46, 17 September 2012 (EDT)