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'''Omega Tyrant''': You're basically the blunt admin around here. Yes, it's nice to have someone who will argue to the fullest extent to achieve the goal that they desire, but at some point, your arguments do seem to be focused on just utterly dominating the enemy so that you get what you want. Arguing is nice, but, from an outsider's opinion, your responses seem to be somewhat fueled by anger, if even by the slightest degree. A leader cannot rule by fear and make rash decisions, but should instead take a step back and see things from both sides. It honestly just frightens people to have to argue with you, and intimidation is not ideal to have in a community. I do admire your efforts to be the strong, guiding force of the Wiki, but do realize that in the end, your arguments are pretty aggressive, which isn't something that most people respond well to, if at all. | '''Omega Tyrant''': You're basically the blunt admin around here. Yes, it's nice to have someone who will argue to the fullest extent to achieve the goal that they desire, but at some point, your arguments do seem to be focused on just utterly dominating the enemy so that you get what you want. Arguing is nice, but, from an outsider's opinion, your responses seem to be somewhat fueled by anger, if even by the slightest degree. A leader cannot rule by fear and make rash decisions, but should instead take a step back and see things from both sides. It honestly just frightens people to have to argue with you, and intimidation is not ideal to have in a community. I do admire your efforts to be the strong, guiding force of the Wiki, but do realize that in the end, your arguments are pretty aggressive, which isn't something that most people respond well to, if at all. | ||
'''Miles''': To summarize, you're viewed as a bumbling admin who seems to try to get things done right, even if the progress is pretty slow. A Detective Gumshoe of sorts in that sense. Your overall response to Wiki events and stuff seems to be slow and sometimes disconnected from the community at hand, but I will definitely give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that real life is just weighing you down; my wiki presence has certainly lessened due to real life (if it is real life stuff, actually confirm that or something to give us a better understanding of the Wiki drama). Your arguments occasionally come out with your opinion being given as if we knew about your thoughts, but we need blatantly obvious answers from you as an admin. Some of us are intelligent folk, while some of us aren't so intelligent, and the meaning of words gets diluted from the transition from thought to actual communication. I really do hope that you learn from your mistakes and | '''Miles''': To summarize, you're viewed as a bumbling admin who seems to try to get things done right, even if the progress is pretty slow. A Detective Gumshoe of sorts in that sense. Your overall response to Wiki events and stuff seems to be slow and sometimes disconnected from the community at hand, but I will definitely give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that real life is just weighing you down; my wiki presence has certainly lessened due to real life (if it is real life stuff, actually confirm that or something to give us a better understanding of the Wiki drama). Your arguments occasionally come out with your opinion being given as if we knew about your thoughts, but we need blatantly obvious answers from you as an admin. Some of us are intelligent folk, while some of us aren't so intelligent, and the meaning of words gets diluted from the transition from thought to actual communication. I really do hope that you learn from your mistakes and follow through on that bit about improvement, especially seeing as how the only person who has really commented on your mistakes at all is OT, and at some point, you probably got tired of hearing it from him, but just remember: "When something knocks you down, you need to learn to get up". No matter the past, no matter the criticism or insults, you can always improve if you yourself have the strong dedication to try. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 03:43, 23 June 2014 (EDT) | ||
:While you have a good post, there a few things I'll have to refute. "Real life" isn't an excuse here, when Miles has been doing this shit for [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Smasher:Boss&diff=349381&oldid=349372 over three years now]. If Miles really has such long lasting real life shit that somehow turns him into such a disconnected terrible admin that can't be assed to ever improve and adapt, then he should just give up his adminship and focus on those real life things, as the latter is clearly a greater priority. | |||
:"''your arguments do seem to be focused on just utterly dominating the enemy so that you get what you want.''" | |||
:This is a pretty terrible way to look at it. If I'm truly wrong and can't refute, I do back down; I'm not arguing to "get what I want", it's arguing to keep good content on/keep bad content off, and arguing it to my full ability, I'm not going to halfass it. If you're going to call fully arguing for content to be "trying to get what you want", then every competent user is guilty of that, and in which case, it doesn't matter, as the wiki couldn't function properly if people wouldn't argue for disputed content. | |||
:Regarding my aggressiveness, see what FirstaLasto said, as well as my response to ScoreCounter; I am normally much more subdued than this, it's when dense users who keep repeating their shit is when I get especially aggressive with them. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 23 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
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Since you trolls appear to be serious about keeping at each others' throats, I guess I should make it public now: I've been passing around a survey to the trustable userbase, asking leading questions to get some opinions of your twos' general respetability and responsibility. I don't have a lot of results so far, but even now it's clear: pretty much everyone agrees that you two need to shut up, sit down for a while, and really think about your status as staff here. | |||
Since it's public now, I might as well distribute the survey publicly: '''E-mail me or IRC me for a link to the survey.''' If one of the two admins involved wants to participate, contact me and '''I'll send you a special version'''. The survey's existance is public now, but '''keep the contents secret'''. | |||
'''This discussion is now closed''' until I get more survey results. But know this you two: '''It's clearly unhealthy for the wiki to continue like this.''' I suggest you recognize this and turn to self-reflection to fix the problems, before I'm forced to demote one or both of you. (Yes, both is on the table.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Emissary 09:35, 23 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
For the record, some people have been telling me they're unconfortable with "demotion" being thrown around a lot in both this discussion and the survey. With respect to the discussion, while I'm not going to say that demotion is not an option, it's only something I'm going to look at if a large majority of survey results are clamoring for it (and even then, we'd go through an on-wiki process first). With respect to the survey, I'm intentionally asking leading questions to better control the responses and get a better look at thought processes. | |||
I currently have 13 respondants. I'll see if we can get to 15, but if not, I'll do something with the results in a day or two. I would have liked to get input from other bureaucrats, but they're all inactive. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Altruistic 10:19, 25 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I know this might be a private kind of thing but mind if I can voice my opinion too or I'm not worthy yet. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The NES 11:47, 25 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
::I think it's better just to ask for the survey at this point, since that'll actually get your opinion noticed in a more impactful way. On that note, I'd ask for it, but I don't think I have enough insight on the situation aside from being around when Miles first became an admin (plus his tenure on AiB) and then occasionally witnessing his spats with OT years later. '''[[User:MarioGalaxy|<span style="background:#000033;color:gold">MarioGalaxy</span>]]<sub><sup>[[User talk:MarioGalaxy|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:gold">Talk</span>]]</sup></sub>''' 14:39, 25 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::Yeah, I was just simply asking for the survey thing. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The Ocarina of Time 15:15, 25 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::If you were around to see Miles make SmashWiki a complete joke on AllisBrawl with his horrible moderating capabilities while parading our name around without us being being ok with it, then you are fully qualified to take the survey (on that note for people taking the survey, remember Miles' moderating on AiB, he's the #1 reason why SmashWiki is viewed so terribly by the AiB and competitive Brawl communities). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:24, 25 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
Alright, Clarinet Hawk hasn't satisfactorily responded to my request for opinion, so I guess I have to finish this myself. To do so I'll be creating a '''new subpage''', watch for it in the near future (a day or two). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Obfuscating 10:55, 25 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Name change? == | |||
Can you make me '''MintyGuy700''' please? [[User:Link PWNS|Link PWNS]] ([[User talk:Link PWNS|talk]]) 21:08, 26 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Just to make sure you want to do so, wait two or three days and post here again. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Cloronic 22:20, 26 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Yes, I'm sure, also, why'd you want me to wait a few days? [[User:Link PWNS|Link PWNS]] ([[User talk:Link PWNS|talk]]) 22:11, 28 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::I do it to ensure that whoever's asking for the name change is serious about it; it gives them a chance to change their mind in case they decide they're not 100% sure, and if they forget to remind me then they probably didn't want it that much to begin with. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 22:44, 28 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
== You have studied game design philosophy right? == | |||
So there's a debate on the merits of L Canceling so far and I'd like some logic from the people who are against it. Here's the thing I'm confused about. How in the world could brawl's "solution" of removing the mechanic without making aerials less laggy be a better game choice? I get that it lowers the barrier of entry, but it needlessly removed many options from other characters and limits the potential fun you can do with the game? Smash 4 seemed to have retained this "solution" and I can't fathom why any good player would be ok with this.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 19:33, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:In a nutshell, games are fun because of choice. If you present a choice that is clearly superior (in this case, "L-cancel" or "don't L-cancel"), then obviously you're always going to pick the better one, and it ceases to be a real choice. L-cancelling adds an element of skill without an element of choice. Removing L-cancelling adds an element of both skill and choice. Can you afford the landing lag if you use this attack here? Or should you use it earlier to autocancel but risk missing or hitting with the sourspot? | |||
:Now, I suppose you can argue from this that having L-cancelling adds more choices, and so should be kept. But having too much choice can also be bad for a game - making the most of limited choices can also be fun (like those rooms in the original Legend of Zelda where you cannot leave without losing a Heart Container or paying 100 Rupees, or Divekick). It's a difficult pair of feelings to balance even for the experts. Sakurai clearly feels that he went a little overboard with choices in Melee (it's pretty much an embarrassment of riches in terms of options, which obviously the community likes but the creator has second thoughts about) and has dialed things back. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Inconceivable 20:53, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Two things: | |||
::1. Why is the compromise solution of having L cancels automatic considered by Sakurai and Brawl/Smash 4 supporters inferior to Brawl's method? | |||
::2. I don't believe removing L Cancels adds meaningful skill in the context of a fighting game. Your example is a choice of resource management: a perfectly good skill to test in completing an RPG. However in a fighting game, aside from execution, the main test of skill is how players fight in neutral (playing RPS using their options). (I understand you may not see smash games as fighting games, but at high level, this type of strategy is very much apparent). A skilled player wins neutral by putting himself in situations where his options have a better risk/reward ration than his opponent's option. In your example, if you have to make a choice of using a laggy aerial or a sourspot spot, clearly the risk/reward ratios don't favor your options and you should't have put yourself in situation in the first place. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 22:07, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::If L-cancels are automatic, what's the point of having them? It's not even a technique at that point, it's just identical to reducing landing lag across the board, and that's apparently not an option. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Interspacial 22:43, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::Why isn't it an option? It encourages standing still instead of getting dirty. Even casuals love throwing themselves in a fight. Sakurai isn't logical apparently.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 23:12, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::The purpose of landing lag is to help balance how you can basically interrupt an aerial at any time by landing. To be honest, it begs the question of why L-cancelling existed in the first place. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Awesome 23:27, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::::You do realize L Canceled aerials are still unsafe if they don't hit anything. They are generally only safe on shield and even then most of them have to be spaced and timed properly. L cancels exist to help you approach with aerials and to not make blocking that powerful of an option. In the RPS of fighting games. Blocking is supposed to be the safest option, but it should be very unrewarding and used as a last resort if you cannot outright dodge the attack.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 23:42, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== I was just wondering... == | |||
Hi Toomai! This question isn't about editing, etc. I just wanted to know, what 1st party characters would you want to see playable in SSB4? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Bug Man Stan|Bug Man Stan]] ([[User talk:Bug Man Stan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bug Man Stan|contribs]]) 15:59, July 5, 2014 (CDT)</small> | |||
:This is not appropriate talk page usage. Please read [[SW:TALK]] before you make another post. Also, remember to [[SW:SIGN|sign your comments]] with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). '''[[User:MeatBall104|MeatBall104;]]''' [[User Talk:MeatBall104|With a rubber soul!]] 22:48, 5 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::People can ask questions like this on user talk pages, but definitely not on article talk pages. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 10:00, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:This would be more appropriate on the forums. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is made in America 11:18, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::{{cquote|Beyond conversations about edits to the wiki, minor outside conversations are perfectly acceptable. However, do not extend these into being chat rooms, message boards, and/or e-mail accounts.|cite=SW:UTPG}} | |||
::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>, 12:11, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Back == | |||
I'm back from my traveling and can be more active again. Do you still want me to weigh in on the above shitshow, and/or are there other things that I need to be aware of from the past month. I can be on IRC tomorrow if that's better, as well. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 22:49, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Yeah I'd appreciate discussing the mess on IRC tomorrow. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bess 23:37, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Okay I'm ready. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bomb 13:09, 7 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Got held up in traffic coming home. Can we do later tonight or tomorrow? [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 17:52, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== I think Marth's grab range got nerfed again. == | |||
[http://gfycat.com/FlickeringSelfishGrackle See this.] | |||
[http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2a2ig4/japan_expo_marth_vs_zss_battlefield_no_items/ Source] | |||
What do you think?--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 20:08, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Items again == | |||
Remember when I talked to you about making boxes for the items (which also encompasses Pokémon and Assist Trophies)? Well I have finished them for the original, Melee and Brawl! (I didn't make boxes for Wii U and 3DS because there weren't the images I needed) I actually added them into the pages, with very good looking boxes, the problem here are the beliefs that surround the wiki. Miles just removed them excusing himself that items are optional, by far the most silly reasons I've heard for not including the items on the main pages. I mean there is no excuse to not talk about smash Bros. and not mentioning the items. I wanted to end that huge fencing that makes everybody ignore the items. That the items can be turned off with the item switch doesn't mean we can't count on them, Smash Bros, outside the competitive scene, is well known for three things: 1. The characters whom you can use and play with to kick other characters, 2. the complex stages each with unique features to hinder the player or set a more fair enviroment, 3. and the wide variety of items which spawn in the stages, for those who want a crazy fest where no one has the advantage. Which fighting game encourages you to use items? only Smash Bros.! Perhaps the only problem was not talking to somebody else other than you about this, but I tried to change something that was out of my hands doing it alone, now that I can't add the boxes back I need to consult with other people, that's why I am now requesting your help. | |||
'''--[[User:Byllant|Byllant]] ([[User talk:Byllant|talk]]) 22:30, 8 July 2014 (EDT)''' | |||
:If the only real issue is "not talking to somebody else other than you about this", why not go to an article's talk page and discuss it there, instead of having one-on-one discussions with users? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Glow 23:50, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Because I wrongly assumed people will let them stay, that all would agreed, that is wasn't really needed to consult with anybody (other than you). Where's the place I should go and take this proposal, I've seen there's no proposal system like the Mario Wiki's one. | |||
::'''--[[User:Byllant|Byllant]] ([[User talk:Byllant|talk]]) 02:54, 11 July 2014 (EDT)''' | |||
:::You can use the main page's talk page or the [[Forum: Proposals|proposal page]]. The latter was definitely not as easy to find as I'd like it to be. You can also just make a new forum if you think that this is a topic that'll receive enough comments to deserve it, but your call. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 02:59, 11 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== IRC? == | |||
Would you mind getting on? I need to ask you something. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 00:09, 17 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Can we get a Subspace Emissary game icon? == | |||
Due to how big SSE is and how there are a lot of separate elements thematically from the rest of Brawl, it may be a good idea for the headers of pages that specifically deal with SSE to get their own icon, rather than the generic Brawl one. I'd do it myself, but since you've been the icon guy and have all the source files, I figured I'd ask you in order to keep things consistent. | |||
What I would do design-wise is take your Brawl icon, turn the swipe purple (like how the X in the Japanese Brawl logo was [http://www.smashbros.com/wii/jp/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803logo.jpg turned purple] for SSE), and replace the B with the green Subspace symbol in the style of the [http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803logo.jpg English SSE logo]. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 02:56, 25 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:You mean, something to use instead of {{GameIcon|ssbb}} in {{t|ArticleIcons}}? I guess I could, but first I'd rather have the purpose of something like that discussed on the relevant talk page, because I currently can't think of one. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Dispenser 10:03, 25 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Alright then, [[Template_talk:ArticleIcons#Subspace_Emissary_icon|discussion]] is up. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 04:03, 27 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Mii Gunner/Swordfighter icons == | |||
May you create the icons (the ones [to be] used in tier lists) for the versions of the Gunner/Swordfighter as seen in the artwork? {{s|user|Red}} ([[User talk:Red|talk]]) [[File:RedSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/Red|Red]] 20:37, 25 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Adding new fields in Game Systems Infobox Template == | |||
Hello. I was trying to add new fields for "First game released" and "Latest game released" for the [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Template:Infobox_Game_System Game System Infobox Template] - my edit is primarily concerning the [[Game Boy (universe)]] page, where I wanted to include the ''Alleyway'' and ''Wario Land 2'' listings seen in [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Game_Boy_(universe)&oldid=567283 this revision] (when the infobox was based on Series as opposed to Game System). | |||
However, I tried previewing the results, but the fields aren't displaying properly. Is there a way I can rectify this issue? Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 15:38, 8 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I undid your adding of those fields with [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Game_System&curid=229&diff=567306&oldid=567297 this edit]. As explained in the edit summary, it's not a given that a console has a single "first game" as opposed to a group, and "last game" will be changing constantly as new games come out (maybe not for the Game Boy, but for the 3DS and Wii U) and won't always be notable or even relevant to the wiki. If you'd like to debate this, you should probably do so on the template's talk page. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spectrum 16:00, 8 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Thanks for clarifying. In retrospect, I think the listing of "first/latest game(s)" would probably be better suited to game series rather than game consoles, as "launch games" for systems do tend to arrive in groups, as you mentioned, with series rarely releasing multiple games at once or debut or recency (excluding ''Pokémon'', with most of the paired versions coming later in a system's lifetime, anyway). The varying degrees of relevancy to the wiki are another point; I suppose that any relevant first/recent games can always be mentioned later on in a given videogame console's article. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 16:40, 8 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Rosalina --> Rosalina & Luma == | |||
Can you settle this by moving it? Consensus is toward a move. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 17:17, 8 August 2014 (EDT) | |||