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 :::The only thing we should wait until Apex 2015 for is a tier list. I say we keep them. Japan or not, it's still a tournament, nonetheless. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 18:32, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
 ::::The problem with this is that we are still very early in the metagame, and for the most part, it seems as if we're searching for people to add to the lists. My current proposal now isn't necessarily to get rid of the lists, but to hide them for the time being. [http://nintendodojo.com/blogpost.aspx?id=157696 We've definitely hit some controversy on other sites] (OT also listed his thoughts on this as well, for what that's worth) about whether or not this is "too early" to have, and the Wii U version (or the "real version", as some people like to call it) of the game isn't even out yet. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 19:02, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
+'''Completely wipe these sections for Smash 4 characters''': What is the purpose of the "notable players" sections? '''To show the players that made ''historic contributions'' to that character's metagame'''. Down the road, would ''any'' of these players be considered historically important just for a few 3DS tournies they enter immediately after launch? '''No'''. Did you all adding to these sections not even consider the fact that the Wii U version isn't out yet? You know, the version '''Smash 4 competitive play will be entirely centered around?''' Also did you consider the fact that '''half of these players or more will end up dropping these characters soon'''? Hell, even the '''''players themselves'' are baffled that they're being added to these sections already'''.
+At least wait until after Apex and Smash U is in full swing to start making these sections for Smash 4 characters. Calling players historically notable for a few 3DS tournies less than a month after launch is absolutely ridiculous and waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy jumping the gun. These sections can remain empty for now, they are '''absolutely not to be filled just for the sake of being full'''. Many times I had to yell at people to stop adding big name players who sandbagged with the character once and some barely-known-in-his-own-region players to these sections of low tier characters just to "fill them". The same thing applies here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:11, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
+== Changes from ''Brawl'' ==
+How come in the changes from Brawl section, it says the changes ''after'' the game updates? See this:
+*{{nerf|All aerials (except [[neutral aerial]]'s sourspot) deal less damage (Neutral aerial 13%/10% → 8%/7%, forward aerial 9% → 5%/4.3%, back aerial 12%/11% → 8%/7%, up aerial 11% → 7%, and down aerial 10% → 8%).}}
+Fair's damage should say 6.8/6%, U-air's 8%, Bair isn't even nerfed until patches (I'm not sure), Nair and Dair are correct (they aren't changed in updates).
+After looking at pages I noticed many other pages do this.
+[[Diddy Kong (SSB4)|Diddy's page]] doesn't do this correctly. Is this correct and is how it is to be displayed on SmashWiki or is it not to display the changes after the patches? -- [[User:Ethan7|Ethan7]] ([[User talk:Ethan7|talk]]) 12:56, 3 December 2015 (EST)
+:I don't quite understand all of what you're saying, but if you're saying if there are patch changes in the standalone release changes section, then yes, someone needs to move those notes into the proper part of the article. [[User:15DollarsWentSouth|15DollarsWentSouth]] ([[User talk:15DollarsWentSouth|talk]]) 11:58, 4 December 2015 (EST)
+::Okay, so we '''do''' show the changes between Brawl (or Melee and even the difference between a clone in some cases) and the release of SSB4 and '''not''' between Brawl and the latest revision of SSB4. Thanks! -- [[User:Ethan7|Ethan7]] ([[User talk:Ethan7|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2015 (EST)
+==Sheik is not canonically a girl==
+...and what are we to care what the Smash game's in-game descriptors say on a character's ambiguous gender? If the Smash games were to tell us Bayonetta and Peach identify as males we might still reject that because of how blatantly false that is. I myself think Sheik is a male but because this isn't (presumably) a retrogressive wiki that insists their characters' have a gender I changed the pronouns to neutral. It's better than going off of what the localizers tell us. The gender has to change to neutral descriptors to fit cannon. —[[User: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Magenta">S+ Tier</font>]] ([[User talk: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Purple">List</font>]]) <font color="Aqua">|</font> [[File:Isohunt.jpg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tiers_nonexistent|Look what I've done!!!]] 23:41, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
+:Read your talk page. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''Beep'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 23:47, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
+== Does this still need to be protected? ==
+Since the user is blocked, and it was blocked for edit wars, can the protection be removed? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:47, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
+:Thank you Disaster Flare. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:53, 8 May 2017 (EDT)