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 Until we have any concrete, confirmed examples, it's blatant speculation to claim that Gen V and VI Pokemon will appear. That's like saying Yoshi is expected to appear based on the fact that he has in all three prior games. Is it likely? Probably. But is it confirmed enough that we should be saying so in the mainspace? Not yet. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:42, 7 August 2013 (EDT)
-:It isn't really speculatory when something is, in essence, guaranteed to happen. It would be speculation to say that Gen V/VI Pokémon will have a playable appearance (which makes it a different scenario than your example with Yoshi) or that they will be Pokéball Pokémon, but not just that they will appear in some form, which nobody would really claim they won't. That brings me to my next point: the article isn't stating that "Gen V/VI Pokémon will appear" or that they're "likely to appear". It says they are ''expected'' to appear, which is a fact, because practically every person who plays Smash is "expecting" them to appear, and in that way, it isn't really speculatory, but reporting on what the community expects will happen. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 12:55, 7 August 2013 (EDT)
+:It isn't really speculatory when something is, in essence, guaranteed to happen. It would be speculation to say that Gen V/VI Pokémon will have a playable appearance (which makes this a different scenario than your example with Yoshi) or that they will be Pokéball Pokémon, but not just that they will appear in some form, which nobody would really claim they won't. That brings me to my next point: the article isn't stating that "Gen V/VI Pokémon will appear" or that they're "likely to appear". It says they are ''expected'' to appear, which is a fact, because practically every person who plays Smash is "expecting" them to appear, and in that way, it isn't really speculatory, but reporting on what the community expects will happen. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 12:55, 7 August 2013 (EDT)
 ::It's not "guaranteed" in the context of discussing an unreleased game unless you've got some sort of official statement that guarantees it. There's really no way around that. We should never use what the "community expects" as a basis for a claim like that. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:00, 7 August 2013 (EDT)
 :::It's guaranteed. Pokémon is arguably Nintendo's largest franchise. How the hell would new Pokémon not be included? It's not even really a question in any way. I believe this is a case of following the spirit of the law, rather than the letter. In most cases, statements like this one are bad, yes, but in this case, there isn't a chance that the information presented will turn out false, and even if it somehow does, all the wiki has stated is that they were expected to appear, not that they would. There may be no official source yet, but again, that's a technicality; there's not any reason why we should abide by it in this case. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 13:12, 7 August 2013 (EDT)
 ::::Not necessarily, we could just get Meowth and the return of Mewtwo. They're not Gen V/VI. [[User:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#ff8c00|'''Toast'''}}]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#01a3c4|'''ltimatum'''}}]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 13:17, 7 August 2013 (EDT)
-:::::''It would be speculation to say that Gen V/VI Pokémon will have a playable appearance (which makes it a different scenario than your example with Yoshi) or that they will be Pokéball Pokémon, but not just that they will appear in some form, which nobody would really claim they won't.'' Actually read what I post before responding. I never claimed that Gen V/VI mons would be playable, just that they would make '''some appearance'''. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 13:19, 7 August 2013 (EDT)
+:::::''It would be speculation to say that Gen V/VI Pokémon will have a playable appearance (which makes this a different scenario than your example with Yoshi) or that they will be Pokéball Pokémon, but not just that they will appear in some form, which nobody would really claim they won't.'' Actually read what I post before responding. I never claimed that Gen V/VI mons would be playable, just that they would make '''some appearance'''. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 13:19, 7 August 2013 (EDT)