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 Before I throw any more time at this page: would people generally find this useful as a page? It would replace the wall of text I'm basing it on from the bottom of the [[universe]] page, and sections would be linked to by a minor universe template analogous to {{t|uv}}. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 00:49, 25 February 2015 (EST)
 :Well, I'm all for it. There are a lot of these little representations that leave you wondering, "What kind of game is that?", and right now I think the wiki doesn't have much in the way of satisfactory answers to such questions, likely for lack of suitable places to put such information. So this definitely serves a purpose, and I already learned a few things reading it. I could contribute a bit to it later, too. [[User:Zyrac|Zyrac]] ([[User talk:Zyrac|talk]]) 08:13, 25 February 2015 (EST)
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 ::Sorry for the very late reply, but I just thought about it, and I have to say that I disagree on the whole "We kept it on this page to prevent confusion" thing. Okay, so ''Baten Kaitos'' isn't Namco-developed, but what if something like ''Xenogears'' gets representation in Smash? That series is also made by Monolith Soft, but it's heavily associated with Namc and is still owned by them.. Not putting it in the Namco page would cause more confusion than make less. So yeah, I don't think it should really matter if a Namco IP is made by Namco or not to warrant a section on the Namco universes page. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 10:29, 7 January 2019 (EST)
 :::I think should keep it here if can't confirm who owns the IP, because only about ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' in ''Smash'' at present.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 11:06, 11 January 2019 (EST)
+::::I checked the title screen for Baten Kaitos Origins. It makes no mention of Monolith Soft (only mentions Nintendo and Namco), meaning that the IP has to be owned by Namco.[[Special:Contributions/24.102.254.69|24.102.254.69]] 18:13, May 5, 2020 (EDT)
 == In case there's a Third-Party Universes page... ==
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 :::*To be honest, I don't even know why we even gave the Mii Costume-only characters their own page. My best guess is that there aren't that many of them compared to Sticker/Spirit-only characters.
 :::*Even if the games in the ''Wii'' series or ''StreetPass'' series are technically in the same series, we can still recognize them as distinct enough sub-universes, similar to how ''Donkey Kong'', ''Yoshi'', ''Wario'', and ''Wrecking Crew'' are distinct sub-universes of ''Mario''. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 18:21, 27 December 2018 (EST)
-::::*Back to the topic of universe, Mii Costumes character pages may have fewer content than Assist Trophies or Items, but the universe pages not necessarily, like ''Chibi-Robo'' obviously have more content than ''{{uv|Sin and Punishment}}'' or ''{{uv|Steel Diver}}''.
+::::*Back to the topic of universe, Mii Costumes character pages may have fewer content than Assist Trophies or Items, but the universe pages not necessarily, like ''Chibi-Robo'' obviously have more content than {{uv|Sin and Punishment}} or {{uv|Steel Diver}}.
 ::::*So we should keep the page of sub-universes and create the page of the main-universe. The question is  should ''Nintendo Land'', ''Wii Party'', ''Wii Music'' and ''StreetPass Mii Plaza'' except {{uv|Find Mii}} move to the Mii universe page?--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 09:36, 3 January 2019 (EST)
 :::::The problem that I see is that not every game that features Miis are listed under the Mii logo. Nintendo Badge Arcade and Rusty's Real Deal Baseball/Darumeshi Sports Shop feature Miis, but they aren't listed under the Mii logo [[User:TheAmazingRaspberry|TheAmazingRaspberry]] ([[User talk:TheAmazingRaspberry|talk]]) 13:07, 3 January 2019 (EST)
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 I support this one. Also, only KOF needs to have its own page since it's so big for having cameos & musics, while the rest, due to having pretty small contents appearing in Smash should be in their own minor section for SNK universes page. Contents originate from their debut games should be placed in different pages/sections. List of minor universe page should be for single universes created by different companies who owns the rights, not multiple universes created by a same company. As for Art of Fighting and Psycho Soldier should be on respective pages that shares same universes & timelines w/ them (eg. Art of Fighting series still count as part of Fatal Fury series because of Geese & Ryo's timeline connections; while Psycho Soldier still count as part of Athena series due to Asamiya being modern-day descendant of the OG Athena) [[Special:Contributions/103.121.18.3|103.121.18.3]] 16:00, November 12, 2019 (EST)
+==Baten Kaitos (again)==
+There's been ongoing discussion and action regarding whether ''Baten Kaitos'' should be considered a Namco property. I disagree on this one, since it's not grouped with other Namco series in contexts like spirits and music (as their only involvement was in publishing, not developing), and its only form of representation in ''Smash'' is through the Nintendo-published installment in the series. Although it's been mentioned earlier that it's ambiguous as to who actually owns the property, I'd also like to add that its sorting in ''Smash 4'' indicates it's meant to be taken as a Monolith Soft/Nintendo property rather than Namco. It's like, ''technically'' Namco, but not actually Namco in terms of its categorization. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 00:03, November 27, 2019 (EST)
+:And as an aside, the merge proposal mentions ''Tales'' as a similar example, but that comparison doesn't really work because the series is developed and published in-house by Namco, so there's no ambiguity whatsoever. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 00:07, November 27, 2019 (EST)
+::If can't determine who actually owns, and I think it's more reasonable to count it as the second-party. because it seems that only the ''Origins'' is involved in the Smash, there is no other game.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 01:40, November 27, 2019 (EST)
+:::According to [https://trademark.trademarkia.com/baten-kaitos-origins-76662310.html trademark information] and going by the original publisher, I'm pretty sure it belongs to Bandai Namco. Regardless of how it's grouped or treated in Smash Bros., it's still legally a third-party series. [[User:NuFace|NuFace]] ([[User talk:NuFace|talk]]) 03:12, November 27, 2019 (EST)
+::::Okay, here's something interesting; the ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' trademark, which was held by Namco, [https://i.imgur.com/5ZgFR2o.png expired in 2014 and wasn't renewed] (as seen on the page you just linked). The original ''Baten Kaitos'' trademark, however, is [https://trademark.trademarkia.com/baten-kaitos-76413946.html still owned by Namco] and [https://i.imgur.com/CTOUkV0.png was renewed in 2015]. If I'm interpreting this right, it means that Nintendo itself owns ''specifically Baten Kaitos Origins'' (as they published it and gained the rights after purchasing Monolith Soft in 2007), while Namco still owns the original ''Baten Kaitos'', and so Nintendo can't use it without their permission. That's probably more comparable to ''Xenosaga'' being owned by Namco while ''Xenoblade'' is owned by Nintendo, but it's still a complicated issue because it means the rights to these two games in the same franchise are split between their publishers. It's not purely a Namco series or purely a Nintendo series, but in terms of the ''Smash'' rep it's legally second-party. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 15:14, November 27, 2019 (EST)
+::::Regardless, it might be easier to just put all the third-parties [[Talk:List of Namco universes#Move|on one page]]. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 15:51, November 27, 2019 (EST)
+==Regarding ''Rabbids''==
+The reason I put the French name there is because it's kind of an unprecedented scenario. If I'm not mistaken, Ubisoft is the only non-English non-Japanese studio to participate in ''Smash''? So ''Rabbids'' having a different name in the original French felt notable to me, but I know there haven't really been any other examples of cases similar to this. Would it still be worth noting or no? ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 14:11, January 16, 2020 (EST)
+:I don't see any problem with it. It is the original name, after all. [[User:Anthony1996|Anthony1996]] ([[User talk:Anthony1996|talk]]) 15:39, January 16, 2020 (EST)
+== Wonderful 101 going solo? ==
+With the launch of their new Kickstarter which Platinum will self publish and not only bring to the Switch but Steam and PS4, is it fair to call Wonderful 101 a 1st party IP anymore if Nintendo doesn't have exclusive publishing rights. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 16:13, February 3, 2020 (EST)
+From what I've been hearing they still own the property. This is just a really unusual case where they're allowing it to leave their platforms so long as Platinum themselves handle the bulk of the work.
+[[User:NuFace|NuFace]] ([[User talk:NuFace|talk]])
+Yeah. The only way to figure out if a franchise is second or third party would be stuff like this. It's proven that Wonderful 101 is a wholly owned Platinum IP, so yes, it would be third party.[[Special:Contributions/24.102.254.69|24.102.254.69]] 18:08, May 5, 2020 (EDT)
+== Franchises that are technically represented, but not acknowledged as their own series ==
+So I had a discussion about a month ago on a currently unused (and candidate for deletion) image for the [[:File:FinalFightLogo.png|''Final Fight'' logo]], and the topic concluded with a suggestion for a section on this page that covers franchises that are '''''technically''''' represented in ''Smash'', but the franchises themselves aren't '''''directly''''' acknowledged.
+Stuff like the aforementioned ''Final Fight'', ''Flicky'', and debatably ''Policenauts'' have representation in the ''Smash'' series via the Cody spirit in ''Ultimate'', Flicky herself appearing on the [[Windy Hill Zone]] stage, and the Meryl Silverburgh sticker in ''Brawl'' and spirit in ''Ultimate''. However, all their content is counted as {{uv|Street Fighter}}, {{uv|Sonic}}, and {{uv|Metal Gear}} content respectively, as their appearances in ''Smash'' are strictly based on their appearances in those series rather than their own.
+The Namco and SNK franchises are a different case, where they're more of a representation of their companies as a whole rather than being strictly integrated into (one of) the company's main franchise(s). While the SNK franchises are somewhat closer to the above mentioned franchises, the difference between the two groups is that the SNK franchises are actually acknowledged as their own series, as evident by the Spirits menu, where none of the non-playable SNK series spirits have the {{uv|Fatal Fury}} series symbol and are instead grouped with the "Others" spirits. Furthermore, while the designs of the non-''Fatal Fury'' characters seen in the [[King of Fighters Stadium]] stage are based on their appearances in ''The King of Fighters'' series, their spirits use artwork from their respective series (most noticeable with Athena Asamiya and the ''Ikari Warriors'' protagonist). The trophies and spirits for the miscellaneous Namco series have also always been categorized as "Others" rather than strictly {{uv|Pac-Man}}. Sure, both of these groups of franchises have had their music tracks grouped with the ''Pac-Man'' and ''Fatal Fury'' music list, but they are atleast still acknowledged as their own series as evident by the Sound Test.
+Anyway, the only universe on this page that I would consider moving to this potential section is ''After Burner'', since, unlike with the Namco and SNK franchises, ''{{SSB4MusicLink|Bayonetta|After Burner (∞ Climax Mix)}}'' was only ever sourced as a {{uv|Bayonetta}} music track in the Sound Test menu, despite its origins in the ''After Burner'' series. I would say the same for ''Getsu Fuma Den'', but that game's sole representation, the ''{{SSBUMusicLink|Castlevania|Go! Getsu Fuma}}'' music track, actually lists ''Getsu Fuma Den'' as its source in the Sound Test menu, so I'm not entirely sure.
+One franchise I'm pretty iffy on where to put it in is ''Shin Megami Tensei'' thanks to ''Tokyo Mirage Sessions'' getting representation via the Tsubasa Oribe spirits, which are categorized as {{uv|Fire Emblem}} spirits. This is especially troublesome after ''Rabbids'' got direct representation with the [[Rabbid]]s Hat via DLC.
+To conclude this, I really don't think we should make them as detailed as the franchises that have direct representation (such as giving them logos, infoboxes, or their Japanese/original non-English names), but the list would atleast mention the representation and maybe a very brief summary of the franchise, something like this:
+*'''''Final Fight''''': A series of beat 'em up games by [[Capcom]]. Cody appears as a spirit in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'', where he is categorized as a {{uv|Street Fighter}} spirit.
+*'''''Flicky''''': A platform game by Sega first released for arcades. Flicky herself makes a cameo on the [[Windy Hill Zone]] stage in ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U'' and ''Ultimate''.
+So yeah, feel free to give out your thoughts on this suggestion. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 01:57, February 16, 2020 (EST)
+Personally I think that since the descriptions will be very brief and the number of these franchises is so small, individual sections for each franchise aren't necessary and one section containing all of them will do, assuming something won't happen that will justify breaking them up into their own sections. But if we have to, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I'd also lump the ''Shin Megami Tensei'' series with the ''Persona'' series because the latter is a spin-off of the former. Otherwise I'm all for this idea.
+(Also something that bugged me; the "Ikari Warriors protagonist" is both Ralf and Clark, making them protagonist'''s'''.)
+[[User:TotallyNotAutomated|TotallyNotAutomated]] ([[User talk:TotallyNotAutomated|talk]]) 03:51, February 16, 2020 (EST)
+:Ah, shoot! I swear to God that I thought I wrote "protagonist'''s'''". Thanks for pointing that out. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 11:42, February 16, 2020 (EST)
+::Yeah, I'd believe this to be a good compromise between what's meticulous and what's necessary. However, would it be worth adding ''Tingle'' to that list, or is that covered under ''Zelda''? and should ''After Burner'' be moved to this list? --[[User:BubzieBobkat|What could possibly go wrong? - BubzieBobkat]] ([[User talk:BubzieBobkat|talk]]) 04:15, March 20, 2020 (EDT)
+:::The ''Tingle'' games are spin-offs of the ''Zelda'' franchise, not to mention that all content from the ''Tingle'' games in ''Smash'' is considered ''Zelda'' content anyway, so that's gonna be a no.
+:::And I already suggested moving ''After Burner'' to this potential mini-section. [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 04:25, March 20, 2020 (EDT)
+::::OK, that makes sense! I was thinking the name for these universes could be "dependent universes." --[[User:BubzieBobkat|What could possibly go wrong? - BubzieBobkat]] ([[User talk:BubzieBobkat|talk]]) 08:16, March 20, 2020 (EDT)
+: It seems a bit like a stretch to me, but I think it's probably harmless, so yeah it should be fine. ''After Burner'' should definitely go in here, and I think ''Getsu Fuma Den'' should too. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 01:25, March 31, 2020 (EDT)
+::As I've said before, ''Getsu Fuma Den'' was atleast acknowledged in-game (somewhat like the Namco franchises in ''Ultimate''), so I'm not ''super'' sure if it should be moved there. I definitely agree with you on ''After Burner'', though (and I would say ''Rabbids'' too if it weren't for the fact that the series got a Mii headgear). [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 01:33, March 31, 2020 (EDT)
+== Outdated(?) Names ==
+So I noticed there are a lot of universes on this page whose current names some people might not necessarily agree with, so I made a list of the ones that I feel might have strong reasons to have their name changed, whether I agree with those reasons or not.
+*'''{{uvm|bit Generations}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''Art Style''''' or '''''Digiluxe'''''
+:'''Reasons for the name change:''' The series has a follow-up series called ''Art Style'', which, unlike ''bit Generation'', has localized installments. Alternatively, it could be renamed ''Digiluxe'', as not only was that the title for ''bit Generation''{{'}}s planned but cancelled localized release, but it's referred to as that in ''Brawl''.
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': ''bit Generations'' is clearly what the stickers are based on. Not to mention, ''Art Style'' is still the name of the follow-up series in Japan, so it's more of a "brand name" than anything. As for ''Digiluxe'', it's a title that never got official use as the localized release was cancelled, so it's probably best not to use that name.
+:'''My opinion''': Keep as is.
+*'''{{uvm|Calciobit}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''Nintendo Pocket Football Club'''''
+:'''Reasons for the name change:''' It's the only localized title for the series, not to mention the image we have for it right now uses the English logo as well.
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': Only one installment was ever localized, not to mention that's what the series is called in ''Ultimate''. In addition, ''Nintendo Pocket Football Club'' is a bit on the long side. Lastly, ParityBit seems to have full ownership of the IP, as there is a mobile installment of the series with no involvement from Nintendo from what I could find. A ''[[List of minor universes#River City|Nintendo World Cup]]'' kind of deal, it seems.
+:'''My opinion''': Keep as is, probably change the logo too.
+*'''{{uvm|Detective Club}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''Famicom Tantei Club''''' or just '''''Tantei Club'''''
+:'''Reasons for a name change:''' All other Japan-exclusive universes use their Romanized names rather than direct translations. In addition, the series is referred to as ''Famicom Tantei Club Series'' in ''Ultimate''. ''Tantei Club'' could also be used as an alternative since ''BS Tantei Club'' is a game that existed.
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': Ayumi Tachibana's trophy in ''Melee'' does refer it to as ''Detective Club''.
+:'''My opinion''': Change name to ''Tantei Club''. If the Switch remakes do get localized, then change it to whatever the English title may be.
+*'''{{uvm|Disaster: Day of Crisis}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''Disaster'''''
+:'''Reasons for the name change:''' ''Day of Crisis'' is a subtitle, which we generally don't use in the main names and only reserve them for the universe descriptions.
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': ''Disaster'' doesn't quite flow as well without the subtitle.
+:'''My opinion''': Not sure, leaning towards "Keep as is".
+*'''{{uvm|Hotel Dusk}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''Kyle Hyde'''''
+:'''Reasons for the name change:''' It is a good way to refer to both games in the series, as neither one shares even a single word. We also aren't a stranger to fan nicknames (see {{uv|Nintendo Wars}}).
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': Is it really a good idea to use fan nicknames instead of going with the official names? Additionally, poor Kyle never got the [[Altaïr]] treatment.
+:'''My opinion''': Not sure, but leaning towards "keep as is".
+*'''{{uvm|Magical Starsign}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''Magical Vacation'''''
+:'''Reasons for the name change:''' Only one installment was ever localized. Not to mention that's what the series is called in ''Ultimate''.
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': ...But to be fair, there are only two installments, and we still use the English names for series that have a way higher ratio of Japan-exclusive games (See {{uv|The Legendary Starfy}} and {{uv|Jam with the Band}}, whose English names ARE actually used in ''Ultimate''). In addition, even ''Smash'' itself has proven to be an unreliable source sometimes, such as calling the Monster spirit's series origin "{{uvm|Famicom Grand Prix}} ''II: 3D Hot Rally'' '''''Series'''''". On a related note, {{uvm|Stunt Race FX}} is referred to by its Japanese name, ''Wild Trax'', in the North American versions of ''Brawl'', so this issue isn't anything new.
+:'''My opinion''': Keep as is.
+*'''{{uvm|Make 10: A Journey of Numbers}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''Make 10'''''
+:'''Reasons for the name change:''' "Make 10" is a term that is heavily used throughout the game, meaning that ''Make 10'' is supposed to be the main title. We generally only use subtitles in the universe descriptions. Also, the current name is a bit on the long side.
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': None that I can think of other than I just think "''Make 10''" looks a little weird by itself.
+:'''My opinion''': Not sure, leaning towards "Change the name".
+*'''{{uvm|Ouendan}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''Elite Beat Agents'''''
+:'''Reasons for the name change:''' It's the only localized title for the series.
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': Only one installment was ever localized. In addition, ''Elite Beat Agents'' is somewhat of a different IP than ''Ouendan'', since it's mostly just a retooled version made for Western audiences.
+:'''My opinion''': Keep as is.
+*'''{{uvm|Shaberu! DS Oryōri Navi}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''Personal Trainer: Cooking''''' or '''''Cooking Guide'''''
+:'''Reasons for the name change:''' These 2 are the only localized names for the series. Plus, that's what the series is referred to as in ''Ultimate'' (in the American English and European English versions, respectively)
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': This is yet another series that's mostly Japan-exclusive. In addition, some of the names have different reasons for opposition. For ''Personal Trainer: Cooking'', it does have a brand name used for other unrelated games attached to it, so it could be quite awkward, but removing the brand name would just leave it as ''Cooking'', which wouldn't be an ideal name at all. For ''Cooking Guide'', while it does lack a brand name, we generally only use the European names if they're the only localized names available. Otherwise, we always use the American names
+:'''My opinion''': I'm honestly not sure, but I will oppose towards the ''Cooking Guide'' name.
+*'''{{uvm|Thru}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''ThruSpace''''' or '''''Ketzal's Corridors'''''
+:'''Reasons for the name change:''' ''Thru'' appears to be a fan nickname that is used to refer to both games, since ''Ketzal's Corridors'' is called ''SpeedThru'' in PAL regions. Alternatively, ''Ketzal's Corridors'' could be used as that's the sole representation in the ''Smash'' series.
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': ...Atleast it's somewhat of a way to refer to the series as a whole?
+:'''My opinion''': Drop the ''Thru'' name entirely, but I'm unsure if I would go with ''ThruSpace'' or ''Ketzal's Corridors''.
+*'''{{uvm|Trace Memory}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''Another Code'''''
+:'''Reasons for the name change:''' Unlike other examples, this one is both the Japanese AND European English title for the series. With the second game only being localized in Europe, this is a reason to use the European name.
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': Again, we only use the European names if they're the only localized names available. Otherwise, we only use the American names.
+:'''My opinion''': Keep as is.
+*'''{{uvm|Tsukutte Utau: Saru Band}}'''
+:'''Possible name change(s):''' '''''Saru Band'''''
+:'''Reasons for the name change:''' Unlike other universes that currently use their subtitles (like {{uvm|Code Name: S.T.E.A.M.}}, {{uvm|Disaster: Day of Crisis}}, or {{uvm|Make 10: A Journey of Numbers}}), this one can flow well even without its subtitle (which in this case is ''Tsukutte Utau''), which are generally only used for universe descriptions.
+:'''Reasons to keep current name''': None that I can think of.
+:'''My opinion''': Change the name.
+And that's all I got. Feel free to give out your opinions. [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 10:41, March 5, 2020 (EST)
+:Forgot to mention this in the ''Ouendan'' section: Another possible name change I have in mind is '''''Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan''''', since that's what the series is called in ''Ultimate''. I'm a bit neutral on this one.
+:Also, ignore the "use their Romanized names" part in the ''Detective Club'' section. I actually meant to say "Hepburn names". [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 11:09, March 5, 2020 (EST)
+== Split the 3rd-party minor universes onto a seperate page. ==
+Looking at this page there are a lot of minor universes. With DLC coming should they add more minor universes, this page is going to be come very long crowded, which is why I believe we should split Nintendo owned and 3rd party minor universes. Perhaps the 3rd party section can also be merged with the Namco universes, considering that was suggested to be turned into a 3rd party minor universe page in the past. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="font-family:Algerian">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="blue">OmegαToαd</font> <font color="aqua">the Toαd Wαrrior</font>]] [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">(BUP)</font></span>]]''' 22:39, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
+:'''Neutral''' I agree at the same time I disagree because one we can put them on new categries or articles that splits them up by the company. However, I sort of disagree because there can be some series that can be owned or previously owned by like 2 companies. Overall, I'm neutral because of the following reasons.[[User:S3AHAWK|S3AHAWK]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|talk]]) 01:51, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
+::In fact, now this page has separated the two. So even if we don't split the page, there will be this problem.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 05:12, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
+:'''Agree''' Nintendo doesn't have a own page but Namco does. It's not reasonable.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 05:12, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
+:'''Agree''' This makes sense to me. Especially since Terry bringing almost every franchise SNK has with him, who knows what kind of craziness might possibly happen in the future. As you mentioned, it would also be a good idea to merge Namco with the 3rd party page. --[[User:Scoobymcsnack|Scoobymcsnack]] ([[User talk:Scoobymcsnack|talk]]) 12:56, April 22, 2020 (EDT)
+:'''Agree''' This is actually an ongoing discussion on the Namco page as well, though there is no consensus there. However, this page is getting too long. If more 3rd Parties are added, or, heck, more 1st parties, this page will get unbelievably long and unwieldy. I vote we create a new third party page and merge the Namco page into it, or rename the Namco page to a general third party page and move all other third party companies to it. That seems to be the right move at this point, lest this page get out of control. By the way, how many people need to vote on this for there to be a consensus?[[User:Super Smash Lover|Super Smash Lover]] ([[User talk:Super Smash Lover|talk]]) 23:20, April 22, 2020 (EDT)
+:'''Agree''' Pac-Man’s inclusion led to plenty of Namco universes to be in the ''Smash'' franchise. Same with Terry leading to some SNK universes. Perhaps this page should be split into three lists. One listing first-parties. Another listing second-parties (if there are second party universes). And the third one listing third parties. [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 17:13, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
+:'''A little neutral''' As long as Namco and SNK get their own sections and aren't lumped together with the others, then I wouldn't be against the idea.
+:My real concern with this move is how we should handle some of the more "debatable" ones (such as ''Glory of Heracles'', ''The Tower'', ''Culdcept'', and ''Baten Kaitos'' <s>I also wanna say ''Chalien'' since the first game was published by Creatures, but it seems that IP is under Ninty's control now. I know Torchickens has strong enough knowledge on the series, so maybe they can provide the answer.</s>). While these IPs are technically owned by third-parties (Paon, Vivarium, OmiyaSoft, and Bandai Namco respectively <s>ps i still don't understand how not being made in-house by namco warrants exclusion from the namco universes list</s>), their content in ''Smash'' is heavily based on the installments that Nintendo published (''Glory of Heracles'' for the DS, ''The Tower SP'', ''Culdcept'' for 3DS and ''Culdcept Revolt'', and ''Baten Kaitos Origins'').
+:This isn't a case like with ''Rayman Legends'' where, although treated like a first-party property in ''Ultimate''{{'}}s Spirit menu, it's well known that they only had the publishing rights for the Wii U version in Japan and that's it; For these, there's info that Nintendo might own certain aspects of these installments of IPs that they otherwise don't own.
+:Though admittedly, my preferred choice is to group each universe by the game they debuted in (''Melee'' would have stuff like ''Doshin the Giant'', ''Cubivore'', and ''Mach Rider''; ''Brawl'' would have ''Hotel Dusk'', ''Stunt Race FX'', ''Tetris''; etc.). Given how this would require prior knowledge (and the rather "hard to find" kind, for that matter) for the common reader, I can definitely understand why this route wouldn't work. [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 23:51, April 29, 2020 (EDT)
+:You do have a point about how some games have been published by Nintendo despite being 3rd party, and frankly I didn't know about that. In my opinion I don't think it matters too much because they are still 3rd party, but at the same time we do things by the way they are in Smash so this would need a discussion too. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<span style="font-size:12pt"><font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font></span>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font>]]'''</span> 01:06, April 30, 2020 (EDT)
+I have splitted the page into two sections: the first one is for minor Nintendo universes and the second one is for minor third-party universes. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Galarto|Galarto]] ([[User talk:Galarto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Galarto|contribs]]) 20:15, May 9, 2020</small>
+::Next time please wait for permission from the creator of the proposal before splitting. There are templates that need to be fixed because of the premature move. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 20:38, May 9, 2020 (EDT)