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I'm no pro with the wiki code and can't find a way to edit the grid to make it changeable so it's possible to look at each parameter individually. Like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_running_events <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 20:33, June 24, | I'm no pro with the wiki code and can't find a way to edit the grid to make it changeable so it's possible to look at each parameter individually. Like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_running_events <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 20:33, June 24, 2015 (CDT)</small> | ||
== Why I desagree with this page's deletion== | == Why I desagree with this page's deletion== | ||
With the recent increase in numbers for Melee since 2013 and with Smash 4 release, many tournament pages are adding entrance records for each game. This page could serve as main reference for fact checking those records while keeping track of overall growth of the scene across many events. | With the recent increase in numbers for Melee since 2013 and with Smash 4 release, many tournament pages are adding entrance records for each game. This page could serve as main reference for fact checking those records while keeping track of overall growth of the scene across many events. | ||
I do agree some of the records are hard to keep track, or maybe are not even needed, like "largest Super Smash Bros. for 3DS tournaments", but still, I think at least Melee and Smash 4 deserve this treatment. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 21:14, June 24, | I do agree some of the records are hard to keep track, or maybe are not even needed, like "largest Super Smash Bros. for 3DS tournaments", but still, I think at least Melee and Smash 4 deserve this treatment. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 21:14, June 24, 2015 (CDT)</small> | ||
:First of all, sign with four tildes, not three. Four adds a timestamp, which is necessary so we can tell when a post is made. | :First of all, sign with four tildes, not three. Four adds a timestamp, which is necessary so we can tell when a post is made. | ||
:Second of all, new posts go on the bottom. | :Second of all, new posts go on the bottom. | ||
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The information is already detailed on each event page, but featuring the winner of those tournaments could also highlight the dominance/consistency of a player across important events. Here's an example, for the overall section | The information is already detailed on each event page, but featuring the winner of those tournaments could also highlight the dominance/consistency of a player across important events. Here's an example, for the overall section | ||
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!Rank!!Name!!Date!!Entrants!!Champion | !Rank!!Name!!Date!!Entrants!!Champion | ||
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|'''10'''||[[Pound 4]]||January 16th-18th, 2010||347||{{Sm|Mango|USA}} | |'''10'''||[[Pound 4]]||January 16th-18th, 2010||347||{{Sm|Mango|USA}} | ||
|} <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 19:22, July 22, | |} <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 19:22, July 22, 2015 (CDT)</small> | ||
:I think this would be an excellent addition, actually, and it lessens the need to have to click each page to see who won. I '''support''' this. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 19:26, 22 July 2015 (EDT) | :I think this would be an excellent addition, actually, and it lessens the need to have to click each page to see who won. I '''support''' this. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 19:26, 22 July 2015 (EDT) | ||
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|'''3'''||[[EVO 2014]]||07/11-13, 2014||970||{{Sm|Mango|USA}} | |'''3'''||[[EVO 2014]]||07/11-13, 2014||970||{{Sm|Mango|USA}} | ||
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:[[ | :[[mw:Help:Sorting#Specifying a sort key|this is a thing you can do]] [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:54, 28 July 2015 (EDT) | ||
== By year... == | == By year... == | ||
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::'''Largest by year''' | ::'''Largest by year''' | ||
::'''2015''' | ::'''2015''' | ||
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::'''2014''' | ::'''2014''' | ||
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::'''2013''' | ::'''2013''' | ||
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:*You say that the largest Smash 3DS tournament ([[Umebura 9]], with 192 entrants) is bigger than the largest Smash 64 tournament ([[Apex 2015]], with 187 entrants)... however, I can just as well say that there have been more 100+ entrant tournaments for Smash 64 (at least six of them in the past, with a seventh one coming soon in [[GENESIS 3]]). | :*You say that the largest Smash 3DS tournament ([[Umebura 9]], with 192 entrants) is bigger than the largest Smash 64 tournament ([[Apex 2015]], with 187 entrants)... however, I can just as well say that there have been more 100+ entrant tournaments for Smash 64 (at least six of them in the past, with a seventh one coming soon in [[GENESIS 3]]). | ||
:*The reason why I referred to [[Smasher talk:Simna ibn Sind#Top Pro vs. Pro|this talk page]] was to demonstrate that wording on pages is not always literal (since, after all, wikis are editable). As I've stated before, the creator of this page as well as the one who wrote the sentence in question stated that 3DS tournaments probably don't need to be listed. (I'm not specifically using this as my basis for being against not including 3DS, just that you can't always go by wording alone on articles.) | :*The reason why I referred to [[Smasher talk:Simna ibn Sind#Top Pro vs. Pro|this talk page]] was to demonstrate that wording on pages is not always literal (since, after all, wikis are editable). As I've stated before, the creator of this page as well as the one who wrote the sentence in question stated that 3DS tournaments probably don't need to be listed. (I'm not specifically using this as my basis for being against not including 3DS, just that you can't always go by wording alone on articles.) | ||
:*Yes, while [[List of national tournaments]] is quite similar to this one, I don't see why that means we have to remove the list from there as well. There have been four 100+ man tournaments in Smash 3DS's lifespan, and all of them are listed on that page because they were national tournaments. This page just focuses on tournament size (which more often than not, correlates to whether a tournament is a national, but not always; for example, [[Northeastern Smash Attack 2]] and [http://smashboards.com/rankings/bust-3-melee-singles-pro-bracket-pools.10078/event BUST 3] both had over 200 entrants, but neither of those tournaments had anyone who was considered Top 20 at the time, so they're considered to be regionals). It's similar to the reason why Smash 64 only has 5 tournaments listed instead of 10: there just haven't been enough decently-sized tournaments to extend it to 10. As for [[Banned | :*Yes, while [[List of national tournaments]] is quite similar to this one, I don't see why that means we have to remove the list from there as well. There have been four 100+ man tournaments in Smash 3DS's lifespan, and all of them are listed on that page because they were national tournaments. This page just focuses on tournament size (which more often than not, correlates to whether a tournament is a national, but not always; for example, [[Northeastern Smash Attack 2]] and [http://smashboards.com/rankings/bust-3-melee-singles-pro-bracket-pools.10078/event BUST 3] both had over 200 entrants, but neither of those tournaments had anyone who was considered Top 20 at the time, so they're considered to be regionals). It's similar to the reason why Smash 64 only has 5 tournaments listed instead of 10: there just haven't been enough decently-sized tournaments to extend it to 10. As for [[Banned stage]]s, that page and this page don't really have anything in common outside of both being related to competitive play, so I don't really think that's a fair point. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:57, 12 December 2015 (EST) | ||
I fully '''oppose''' this on the grounds that Smash 3DS doesn't really have a notably big scene, at least compared to its Wii U counterpart. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 01:11, 12 December 2015 (EST) | I fully '''oppose''' this on the grounds that Smash 3DS doesn't really have a notably big scene, at least compared to its Wii U counterpart. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 01:11, 12 December 2015 (EST) | ||
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Regarding Melee and Smash 4. If we come to a point where we get consistent 500+ envents more often, I think it would be ok to expand the list for each game from '''Top 10''' to '''Top 15'''. Melee is probably already there, but Smash 4 isn't quite. This is a suggestion for 2016 by the way. [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]]) 22:05, 16 May 2016 (EDT) | Regarding Melee and Smash 4. If we come to a point where we get consistent 500+ envents more often, I think it would be ok to expand the list for each game from '''Top 10''' to '''Top 15'''. Melee is probably already there, but Smash 4 isn't quite. This is a suggestion for 2016 by the way. [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]]) 22:05, 16 May 2016 (EDT) | ||
:As of this writing, I will expand the Melee tournament section to Top 15. Why do you ask? Supermajors are becoming more common and since we're in the Summer of Smash, tournaments are only going to get bigger. Thanks for the mention [[User:PFFP|PFFP]]. For the Smash 4 list, I will put a "For Reference" until it reaches the point where that game gets supermajors more often. --[[File:FXSig2.png]] [[User:Falcon-X|<span style="color:Red;text-shadow: 0px 0px 5px Red">'''Falcon-X'''</span>]] [[User talk:Falcon-X#top|<span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 5px Blue">'''('''''VISIT MY DOJO''''')''' </span>]] 15:37, 17 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Upadating the "Update Rule" == | == Upadating the "Update Rule" == | ||
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:Why did it stop at 16? That's usually not a "top" number like 10, 15, 20, 50, 100, etc. [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png|50x20px]] 20:51, 26 June 2016 (EDT) | :Why did it stop at 16? That's usually not a "top" number like 10, 15, 20, 50, 100, etc. [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png|50x20px]] 20:51, 26 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
::Guess only 16 countries fit the criteria. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 20:53, 26 June 2016 (EDT) | ::Guess only 16 countries fit the criteria. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 20:53, 26 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
:::Yeah, top 10 will probably be the easiest to manage. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 21:00, 26 June 2016 (EDT) | |||
: I was thinking that you could see the largest tournament in every country that way, in the same way we have tournaments for every year. – [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] 04:32, 28 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
== How to specify what tournaments are included? == | |||
It would be a good thing to specify what sorts of tournaments are included at the top of the page. (Like, despite its size, we probably don't want to include [[Red Bull Smash Gods and Gatekeepers]] -- which indeed isn't on there right now -- because, well, it'd be a pain in the ass to include; who's the "winner", for instance?) Right now it says "Only 1v1 tournaments with the standard rulesets are included." This seems a little off to me, because I worry that people will interpret it to mean that e.g. [[IVGF NorthWest Regionals]] shouldn't be included. Or that people will disqualify tournaments for minor variations in rules. It certainly doesn't meet current standards -- and as for the standards of the time, well, there were none. But clearly it should be in. I'm not sure how to phrase this in a way that makes clear what's meant. Maybe we just don't need to say "with the standard rulesets"? I mean, what even is there that we would want to disqualify for that reason? Smash the Record? None of those have been large enough to make the list anyway. So maybe we can just leave that out. [[User:Sniffnoy|Sniffnoy]] ([[User talk:Sniffnoy|talk]]) 12:47, 3 October 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Missing something == | |||
[[2GGC Civil War]] had 843, should be in the Top 10 Smash 4. --[[Special:Contributions/73.245.30.248|73.245.30.248]] 18:14, August 8, 2019 (EDT) | |||
Nevermind that, 753 smash 4 entrants --[[Special:Contributions/73.245.30.248|73.245.30.248]] 18:23, August 8, 2019 (EDT) | |||
==EVO Japan 2020== | |||
Normally, disqualifications won't really affect the final entrants tally for a tournament. However, EVO Japan 2020 had over 1,000 disqualifications, meaning that it's no longer in the top 5 largest tournaments of all time. Since this is a big change, should we input the more accurate entrant count, or stick with the initial entrant count? [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 08:47, January 24, 2020 (EST) | |||
:I think we should go with the new entrant count with a footnote giving the initial count that explains what happened. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 09:11, January 24, 2020 (EST) | |||
::'''Support''' the new entrant count. That's over a third of the original number DQ'd. It'd be disingenuous to keep the original number instead of the entrant amount who are actively playing in the tourney. Footnote idea doubleplusgood. [[User:Smore|Smore]] ([[User talk:Smore|talk]]) 09:29, January 24, 2020 (EST) | |||
:The DQs for MomoCon 2019 should also be looked into for similar reasons. Just like EVO Japan, it was a free entry tournament with a significant amount of DQs (over 300, I believe). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 17:19, January 25, 2020 (EST) | |||
::It was around 300 DQs, though I don't think accurate numbers exist. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 17:40, January 25, 2020 (EST) | |||
== Smash Summit 9 == | |||
Hey, does anyone know the exact prize amounts for {{trn|Smash Summit 9}}? I want to add it to the largest prizes table, but I don't know the exact amount first place won. Thanks! [[User:Sniffnoy|Sniffnoy]] ([[User talk:Sniffnoy|talk]]) 16:11, February 23, 2020 (EST) | |||
==Largest online tournaments== | |||
I believe we should make a section for the largest online tournaments. It may be a bit hard to search for ''Smash 4'' ones, but ''Ultimate''{{'}}s shouldn't be that bad. Of course, we won't add online tournaments to the overall largest tournament section. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 09:11, May 8, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:'''Support'''. Sound like a good idea. [[Special:Contributions/46.229.158.109|46.229.158.109]] 09:17, May 8, 2020 (EDT) | |||
Bump. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 09:37, June 18, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:'''Support''', Online play is big enough to deserve it's own largest tourneys section. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM🐷'''</span>]] [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 09:43, June 18, 2020 (EDT) | |||
This seems to have fallen off, but '''support'''. In particular I feel as though we should have an entire page dedicated to online. This would allow us to separate it by game, by year, and by prize. We can also create a record progression section as well. [[User:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:#850FFA; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Señor'''</span> <span style="color:#850FFA;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px green">'''Mexicano'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:lightpurple;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px lightgreen">(talk)</span>]]'' 01:01, March 22, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:'''Support''' --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 09:00, March 22, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Just now saw that this page lacks a table for documenting the largest online tournaments, and I would '''support''' adding one regardless of whether online tournaments are considered eligible for any of the other tables on this page. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:58, May 1, 2021 (EDT) | |||