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== Koei Tecmo page == | == Koei Tecmo page == | ||
With the announcement of [[Byleth]] joining the roster, I've been thinking we should probably Koei Tecmo their own page, since they did help co-develop ''Fire Emblem: Three Houses''. If [[1-Up | With the announcement of [[Byleth]] joining the roster, I've been thinking we should probably Koei Tecmo their own page, since they did help co-develop ''Fire Emblem: Three Houses''. If [[1-Up Studio]] can get their own page just for co-developing ''Mother 3'', then I don't see why not with KT. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 01:16, January 17, 2020 (EST) | ||
:'''Support'''. I'd say they're about the same level of importance. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 09:34, January 17, 2020 (EST) | |||
:'''Support'''. I'd agree that Koei Tecmo has enough importance to Smash to warrant a page addition.[[User:ThePieMaster51|ThePieMaster51]] ([[User talk:ThePieMaster51|talk]]) 12:15, January 18, 2020 (EST) | |||
:'''Oppose'''. While Koei Tecmo participated in the development of ''Three Houses'', they were involved in mostly the technical side of things. Byleth is still very much of an Intelligent Systems/Nintendo character rather than a Koei one. I actually think [[1-Up Studio]], [[Next Level Games]] (especially this one) and [[Retro Studios]] don't need their own page either but that's somethink I will expand on on 1-Up Studio's talk page. --[[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 07:26, January 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
:'''Oppose'''. I think whether these companies should have one page depends on the characters design. If KT doesn't participate in the characters design, it doesn't need one page.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 07:52, January 19, 2020 (EST) | |||
== Toby Fox? == | |||
So, as far as I know, we're missing two companies whose IPs are represented in ''Smash''. | |||
First, there's Agenda, the developers of ''Slide Adventure Magkid'', in which the tag to remind to add it has been there for quite a long time, now. | |||
Second, and more notably, is the developer of {{uvm|Undertale}}, Toby Fox. Unique among others, ''Undertale'' is (as far as I'm aware) the only universe in the entire ''Smash'' series to be developed by a one-man team. | |||
Considering how the rest of the companies listed are...well, actual companies, even including the smallest studios (Yacht Club and StudioMDHR), it makes me wonder how we should handle Toby here. I don't think we should give him a page because ''Undertale'' is only represented by a Mii Costume and a music track <s>not to mention that the sans costume is already overhyped as it is</s>, but he still needs to be acknowledged as a developer somehow if we're gonna list all these game developers/publishers. [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 22:09, April 1, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:''Undertale'' wasn't developed solely by Toby Fox. The most notable example outside of Toby would be [https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Temmie_Chang Temmie Chang], who has been the main artist for both ''Undertale'' and ''Deltarune''. | |||
:As for the other point, all of the ''Undertale'' games were self-published and Toby doesn't have a company for himself, so he doesn't fit in this page. The only page that highlights individual developers is the [[list of developers significant to Super Smash Bros.]] page, where he obviously isn't notable enough for inclusion. [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|<span style="color:#89f">Nokii</span>]]''' — 23:10, April 1, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== We are missing double elevin == | |||
Someone forgot to put in double eleven, if you forgot they developed {{s|wikipedia|minecraft Dungeons}} which is represented by 2 songs in smash <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:73.15.147.53|73.15.147.53]] ([[User talk:73.15.147.53|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/73.15.147.53|contribs]]) 12:32, January 29, 2021 (EST)</small> | |||
== Double Elevin == | |||
We should add that company since the Co-developed by that game + Mojang, and that is represented with two songs [[Special:Contributions/73.15.147.53|73.15.147.53]] 23:53, February 13, 2021 (EST) | |||
== Midway == | |||
Should Midway be here? They Did create Mrs. Pac-man, who appears in the [[Pac Land]] stage [[User:AgedofallStrings|AgedofallStrings]] ([[User talk:AgedofallStrings|talk]]) 12:59, March 19, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Drop the game-by-game subheaders? == | |||
In the interest of making this page more readable and easier to navigate, would it be a good idea to drop the "In Super Smash Bros. _____" subheaders per company and simply explain in the prose which representation is in which game? This would also be a good opportunity to drop repetitive mentions of the same content in multiple games. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:10, May 27, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:Bumping; this page is a mess to read and I think this would help greatly. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:38, May 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
::I think this would benefit the pages, to keep things more consolidated. It's not meant to be a full-on universe page in each section. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 15:15, May 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:Good idea. --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 15:45, May 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:'''Support''': Would definitely help with the readablity of the article. [[User:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:#850FFA; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Señor'''</span> <span style="color:#850FFA;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px green">'''Mexicano'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:lightpurple;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px lightgreen">(talk)</span>]]'' 16:32, May 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:'''Yes''': So many sections are just a single sentence, removing them would make the page less messy. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omegα Toαd,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toαd Wαrrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 21:36, May 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
==Disney== | |||
It's been agreed on that some elements in Smash are inspired by ''{{s|wikipedia|Kingdom Hearts}}'', which is owned by {{s|wikipedia|The Walt Disney Company}}. However, those elements are so minor that I don't know if a mention on this page is warranted. What do you all think?[[User:The Other Jared|The Other Jared]] ([[User talk:The Other Jared|talk]]) 17:04, June 3, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:Yeah, those elements are way too minor to give Disney its own section here. Not to mention that said elements within the ''Kingdom Hearts'' series only applied to the ''Final Fantasy'' characters, which are owned by Square Enix. [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 17:58, June 3, 2021 (EDT) | |||
::If we added Disney, they we would've also had to add Bitstep, Broderbund and Ω Force for Dreamix, Lode Runner, and Warriors Respectively. [[User:AgedofallStrings|AgedofallStrings]] ([[User talk:AgedofallStrings|talk]]) 00:40, June 19, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:::Late reply, but Omega Force is at least fair game since ''Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity'' does have spirits in ''Ultimate''. I completely agree with the other two, though. [[File:JacketTerraSig1.png|20px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:JacketTerraSig2.png|20px]] 18:40, August 6, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== TPCI == | |||
Should The Pokémon Company International be here? Most of the Pokémon Post-Brawl are voiced by people from the TPCI Dub. [[User:AgedofallStrings|AgedofallStrings]] ([[User talk:AgedofallStrings|talk]]) 00:30, June 19, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:I'll admit, this one is a bit complicated. TPCI is a joint venture between nintendo, game freak and creatures. Also, everything they have made is technically already in the Pokemon universe page, which mentions the company. I would say to not add it here. Either make a dedicated article or leave everything as is.[[User:The Other Jared|The Other Jared]] ([[User talk:The Other Jared|talk]]) 13:50, June 26, 2021 (EDT) | |||
==Magnavox== | |||
Nintendo acquired the rights from Magnavox to develop their own hardware based on the Magnavox Odyssey in 1977. This resulted in the Color TV-Game series, which is represented in Smash. Is this enough to warrant a mention of Magnavox on this list?[[User:The Other Jared|The Other Jared]] ([[User talk:The Other Jared|talk]]) 13:21, August 6, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:Like What Terrapin stated, Their representation is way too minor to have a section on this page. [[User:AgedofallStrings|AgedofallStrings]] ([[User talk:AgedofallStrings|talk]]) 18:18, August 6, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Armor Project, Bird Studio, Sugiyama Kobo, and ILCA == | |||
I've been thinking about adding them in this list for a while now, however I am unsure if it's necessary to do so, since all four of them have contributed in the ''Dragon Quest'' series. The first three are held by Horii, Toriyama and Sugiyama respectively. The lattermost, ILCA, has contributed on other games from Square Enix (''Nier Automata'', ''Dragon Quest XI''), The Pokémon Company (the remake of ''Diamond and Pearl''), and recently Bandai Namco (''Ace Combat''). [[User:Prolyfic8|Prolyfic8]] ([[User talk:Prolyfic8|talk]]) 16:34, August 23, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Team Ninja == | |||
Since Metroid Other M is developed by Team Ninja, a Koei Tecmo Subsidiary, Should the Other M stuff be mentioned on the Koei Section or should they have their own dedicated section? [[User:AgedofallStrings|AgedofallStrings]] ([[User talk:AgedofallStrings|talk]]) 19:29, September 1, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Should Next Level Games be moved to its own page? == | |||
I think it's somewhat odd that Next Level Games is still listed under this page, considering how they have a fair amount of content in Ultimate. Super Mario Strikers is represented with 2 spirits and the Soccer Ball item, Punch-Out's representation is largely based on their contributions to the series, there's a fair amount from their Luigi's Mansion games (including Luigi's Mansion 3), and there's even a bit of content from Federation Force. I'd argue that they deserve to be upgraded to having their own page, considering how Retro Studios and PlatinumGames have their own pages despite not being listed in Ultimate's copyright. Plus, Next Level is now a first-party Nintendo studio, and, like Retro, their representation in the game is tied directly into character appearances and movesets (namely Little Mac and Luigi). I get that Retro Studios actually created Dark Samus while Next Level only redesigned Little Mac, but I still think it would make sense for them to have their own page, whereas other Nintendo-owned/Nintendo partner studios like NDCube, Camelot, Good-Feel, Grezzo, and MercurySteam don't have as much going for them. Heck, Retro Studios didn't even have a page until Dark Samus was announced for Ultimate - so why not have Next Level? Would love to hear what thoughts people have on the matter! [[User:PikaPhantom|PikaPhantom]] ([[User talk:PikaPhantom|talk]]) 20:37, November 21, 2021 (EST)PikaPhantom | |||
== Sikorsky Aircraft == | |||
Sikorsky Aircraft helped develop the Cypher, which is used for Snake's up special. So, should they be added here? [[User:AgedofallStrings|AgedofallStrings]] ([[User talk:AgedofallStrings|talk]]) 22:29, December 6, 2021 (EST) | |||
:Considering Sikorsky Aircraft has only created the real-life inspiration of the Cypher and has no involvement with the ''Metal Gear'' series itself (AFAIA, anyway), it would definitely belong more on [[User:Aidanzapunk/List of non-gaming media representation|this page]], but even then, I'm not sure if it should really qualify there, either. [[File:JacketTerraSig1.png|20px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:JacketTerraSig2.png|20px]] 00:15, December 7, 2021 (EST) | |||
::It is used in the Metal Gear series. A Cypher is used by The Patriots during the Tanker chapter, taking a picture of Snake standing over a defeated Olga Gurlukovich in order to frame him for a terrorist attack on the marine tanker Discovery. There are also the Gun Cypher Enemies. They were also the automated flying security cameras that patrolled the bridges between the struts of the Big Shell in Metal Gear Solid 2. So, maybe? [[User:AgedofallStrings|AgedofallStrings]] ([[User talk:AgedofallStrings|talk]]) 21:20, December 10, 2021 (EST) | |||
== Phoenix Planning == | |||
Does anybody know what Phoenix Planning is? It’s listed in Ultimate's credits but I couldn’t find anything on it. [[User:Ss4|Ss4]] ([[User talk:Ss4|talk]]) 13:52, January 25, 2022 (EST) | |||
:I couldn't find anything either. Found companies in the UK and Japan, but they were both about planning/logistics/etc. and nothing to do with video games, which is what Phoenix Planning is listed under in the credits. Lot's of stuff about Phoenix, Arizona's Planning and Development division, but still not useful. Perhaps one of the "other" spirits' games had PP has part of the dev team but was uncredited for some reason or for a very specific localization. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 18:16, January 25, 2022 (EST) | |||
==Credited Companies== | |||
I like the idea of the Credited companies section, though some guidelines should be put in place to make sure a war over what goes where doesn't happen. My initial idea is that companies that are credited, but did not directly make something that appears in the ''Smash'' series should not have a dedicated section. For example, companies that created an asset sourced from elsewere like avex and Edelweiss should receive their own section, but companies that are credited exclusively for legal reasons like NexTone and Sikorsky should be put in the credited company section. I am also debating over whether trailer animation houses should have a dedicated section or not.[[User:The Other Jared|The Other Jared]] ([[User talk:The Other Jared|talk]]) 01:50, October 16, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== On the sound scale of things.. == | |||
...do companies from which sound effects, samples and instruments were used like Sound Ideas, Apple, Toho and Roland warrant a mention or a they far too minor? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:GameDestroyer2008|GameDestroyer2008]] ([[User talk:GameDestroyer2008|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GameDestroyer2008|contribs]]) 09:34, October 16, 2022 (EDT)</small> | |||
== Wham-O == | |||
one of the trophies in ''For Wii U'' is called "Frisbee® Dog" in Europe, complete with registered trademark symbol - should Wham-O be added to the minor companies as a result or is their contribution too minor? | |||
--[[User:BubzieBobkat|What could possibly go wrong? - BubzieBobkat]] ([[User talk:BubzieBobkat|talk]]) 13:39, December 12, 2022 (EST) | |||