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:The guidelines over specific values were in effect to twart speculation from pre-release footage, such as the demo at E3, and doesn't apply to games already released and datamined, as far as I'm aware, despite being subject to change. | :The guidelines over specific values were in effect to twart speculation from pre-release footage, such as the demo at E3, and doesn't apply to games already released and datamined, as far as I'm aware, despite being subject to change. | ||
:A brief mention of Joker's believed stats being under the "Jack" name could be added, if only to avoid any confusion over the names found in the datamine itself. [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|{{color|#89d|Nokii}}]]''' — 00:28, 10 February 2019 (EST) | :A brief mention of Joker's believed stats being under the "Jack" name could be added, if only to avoid any confusion over the names found in the datamine itself. [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|{{color|#89d|Nokii}}]]''' — 00:28, 10 February 2019 (EST) | ||
::What I meant as a problem with including leaked parameters is that it's being used as though it's a set-in-stone fact that Joker's [[dash|dashing speed]] will be so-and-so and his [[weight]] will be this-and-that, with editors even going as far as to put this information in the charts in those articles even though we don't know FOR SURE that it's even the character we think it is. To be clear, I have no problem with datamining (that [[Dash]] article could do with some datamined info, actually). I just have an issue with when datamining is used as a vector for speculation about unreleased, unknown content. | |||
::What it comes down to is that even though Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is released, the character Joker is not. Therefore, datamined parameters of him (even from a released video game) technically constitutes a leak of in-game content. And I definitely remember a sitewide banner that prohibited adding information that could only be obtained from the leaked version of the game like World of Light and specific numeric character parameters. This is different from leaked text and screenshots (like Ken) which are mostly relegated to the [[leak]] and [[List of rumors|rumor]] articles anyway. Even with this leaked data, it's been removed as of 2.0.0 so for all we know it could already be outdated. Therefore, putting the data in the Joker article in this way -- in a section titled "Moveset", as if the stats will be this way upon release -- is speculation. | |||
::If Joker's stats are to be included in SmashWiki, I think the most responsible, informative way that would cause the least confusion would be to add a line to Joker's Trivia section that | |||
::*mentions the leak, | |||
::*mentions that Joker's believed stats are listed under a codename ("Jack"), | |||
::*footnote links to the Twitter thread and the corresponding section in [[List of rumors]], and | |||
::*stipulates that the data is subject to change as it belongs to an unreleased character. | |||
::The Twitter thread is more comprehensive and organized anyway. It's also worth bringing up that 2.0.0 removed the leaked data, including Jack's stats. [[Special:Contributions/132.170.62.236|132.170.62.236]] 23:04, 11 February 2019 (EST) | |||