Talk:Hero/Archive 1: Difference between revisions

==Handling the separate characters==

How are we gonna go about this? I could see a case for keeping them merged a la [[Pokemon Trainer]], but Red and Leaf are traditionally just genderswaps of the same character (with only Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee depicting them otherwise, and the female trainer there is debatably not the same person) like Robin/Corrin, whereas all of these characters are technically different characters with different histories. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 13:46, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

:I'll give my final thoughts on Eleven vs Luminary. I think either is a fine name to pick. In my experience, I see more fans call him Eleven then the Luminary but maybe the users in the discord have seen Luminary more. Though, I would like to give some thoughts on the name Luminary, because while it's 90% associated with the hero of DQXI, that's not the only place the term has been used in Dragon Quest. When DQII got a mobile port and thus a modern localization, they gave it the subtitle "Luminaries of the Legendary Line". So, the Dragon Quest localization team might be using Luminary to refer to people related to the line of Erdrick. Granted, from what I remember the word Luminary is used nowhere in the actual game. The term Luminary is also used in a completely different context in DQ. In games that use the vocation (class) system, there's a class called "Luminary" which isn't related to heroes at all. Luminary is being used in the sense of a star, like a movie star; it's a show-offy support class that can charm the enemy. The original Japanese name is "Super Star," so they don't have any relation outside of the localizations, but it's something to keep in mind. --[[Special:Contributions/68.97.103.59|68.97.103.59]] 14:44, June 13, 2019 (EDT)

:A quick tip, use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign your comments. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:32, June 13, 2019 (EDT)

::Then it would seem, as ironic as it is to say, that the names we put in place while this discussion happened didn't need to be changed at all. I will still wait for anyone to say something contradictory, should they feel the need to do so, but if no one speaks up, then I will be removing the notices on account of a consensus being reached based on evidence from people familiar with this franchise. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 14:59, June 13, 2019 (EDT)

:::::I agree with 73.220.29.65, III's hero should be called Erdrick. The character has a set of equipment that bares the name in multiple titles, not to mention real world merchandise, and the fact that he's dubbed Erdrick in the finale of all versions of his game. Bubblerevolution, you insist that III's hero isn't referred to as Erdrick when in fact the opposite is true in two sets of localizations of the original trilogy, not to mention equipment cameos in VIII's 3DS port and IX--why do you want his title to be stripped from him?([[User:Follower of Light|Follower of Light]] ([[User talk:Follower of Light|talk]]) 09:38, June 14, 2019 (EDT))

::::::My point isn't that he's NEVER been called Erdrick, it's that it's never used as his NAME save for games where he doesn't actually appear. Every single time he shows up in a crossover, "Erdrick"/"Roto" has never been used, it's always just "Legendary Hero". In every single source I can find, Japanese and English, "Roto" is never used as a name from DQ3 when he actually appears, in every crossover title he's been in. It's about reflecting what he's officially named in most circumstances.[[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 15:35, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

<small>(Reset indent) </small> I have mostly been watching from the sidelines (I don't know jack about Dragon Quest, so it's not like I can majorly contribute), though I would like to say a couple things:

:::::::We’ll most likely need these names for the tabber on the fighter page (I know we should probably wait until they release and receive their spirits, but those will probably just say the game anyways, which will look terrible if we say “Dragon Quest XI” or the other numbers for each tab title). Either we only use the Roman Numerals for the tabs or we use Luminary, Erdrick, Solo, and Eight. The other seven don’t even need to be named, since they aren’t being put in their own infobox. We just need to say that the other seven protagonists show up in the four playable ones’ final smash. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 19:27, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

::::::::But we are having this character page be of the ''Dragon Quest'' Hero role itself, not just the fighters, they get their fighter page for that. Characters that appear as part of a character's move set, the Final Smash in this case, get their own pages as well. Since no one wants to separate them (which would cause the naming confusion again), it would make more sense to refer to them by their numeral. That's why we just put the debut and console of origin of the first Hero, it would too cluttered otherwise. Are the names really important? Live with VI, what is the difference between saying '''Six''' instead of'''VI'''? (We probably won't reach a concrete form of an agreement until the Hero's release). We would still need a way to refer to the other Heroes. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 20:48, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

== Playable Heroes and Final Smash Heroes Pages ==

::'''For page''': 1 and 2 are acceptable to me, but the 2 has to discuss whether Hero's page should be kept or not, I don't think 3 is meaningful. There's actually another way: keep this page and give each of the four playable Heroes own page.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 01:46, June 15, 2019 (EDT)

:::I'm interested in the option you just proposed; that sounds like the best approach to me. Their sections on this page could just have a "main article" redirect to their individual pages. [[User:DryKirby64|DryKirby64]] ([[User talk:DryKirby64|talk]]) 01:52, June 15, 2019 (EDT)