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 :I'm going with no. I mean, it's the original Final Destination. The Ω forms were based off of Final Destination. I doubt there will be any major differences. [[User:Aidanzapunk|Aidan the Intermediate Gamer]] ([[User talk:Aidanzapunk|talk]]) 22:34, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
 ::Actually, Ω Forms all have items disabled. Always. That is the major difference in this, though. Nothing else. [[Special:Contributions/94.14.6.180|94.14.6.180]] 06:56, 27 September 2014 (EDT)
-:::Ω Forms don't disable items, that's only in the demo. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:‎24.147.78.177|‎24.147.78.177]] ([[User talk:‎24.147.78.177|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/‎24.147.78.177|contribs]]) 15:59, 4 October 4 2014 (EDT</small>
+:::Ω Forms don't disable items, that's only in the demo. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:24.147.78.177|24.147.78.177]] ([[User talk:24.147.78.177|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.147.78.177|contribs]]) 15:59, 4 October 4 2014 (EDT</small>
 ::::Remember to sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). <font face="AmericanTypewriter">[[User: Rtzxy|<span style="color:darkorange;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:blue;">Smashing!</span>]]</font> 16:02, 4 October 2014 (EDT)
 :::::Just checked, Omega Final Destination seems to be exactly the same stage as the normal form. --[[User:Menshay|Menshay]] ([[User talk:Menshay|talk]]) 16:13, 4 October 2014 (EDT)
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 == Split ==
-'''Support''' per tag. I was literally about to suggest this, so creepy... [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 18:56, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
+<s>'''Support''' per tag. I was literally about to suggest this, so creepy...</s> [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 18:56, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
 :Lol. '''Support''' per tag. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 18:58, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
 ::I already started listing the stages with different ceilings. '''Support'''. [[User:Smashgold347238|<span style="color:#D4AF37">Gold</span>]] [[file:Goldsig.png|20px|link=User talk:Smashgold347238]] 19:11, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
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 ::I don't get what you are getting at. To me, there is plenty of content to justify omegas having their own page. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 14:00, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
 ::We could probably specify differences more, but the page already takes up a good couple of kilobytes, so it's not like the page would be a stub. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 14:10, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::Couple of kilobytes in pictures, as opposed to words. If we're going to define stubs by the amount of bytes they have total, as opposed to words in the main text areas, I'd like to see that specified on the [[SmashWiki:Stub|Stub page]].
+:::That aside, there isn't a significant amount of content that you could add to either page once split. You could add a paragraph about the Omega differences and a paragraph about the visual scenes presented on FD, but that's about all I can think of. Splitting up the pages doesn't really accomplish much unless you believe that sifting through the Omega stage pictures is that much of a hassle to accomplish on the same page for a reader. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 17:37, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::First, the pictures are all condensed into two templates, so that section actually consists of maybe 100 bytes.
+::::Second, if we want to write more about the differences while making them readable, we would need more than just a paragraph. To be comprehensive, we'd have to list the omega stages with walls, different traction, and different blast zones. If we listed that off in sentences (which is the way it is right now, but I plan to fix that), it would be very hard to read. Finally, the Smash 4 Final Destination page would be just fine without the section on omega stages. After all, we have pages on the other iterations, and those don't talk about omega forms. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 21:04, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::Different blast zones? The [http://smashboards.com/threads/wii-u-stage-blast-zone-data.395357/ two] [http://smashboards.com/threads/wii-u-omega-stage-differences.379365/ sources] list the blast zones as being extremely standard throughout every single stage, relative to the center of the map, bar Halberd, Coliseum, and Palutena's Temple, which are only barely higher than normal. This bit contradicts what we have, so I'll have to run tests on those, although they all seem to basically be "this stage takes +1% to kill", so that in itself is a sentence. A long run, but still a sentence.
+:::::Same part applies to the traction thing. There are only 5 stages that have different traction features, so that's just another sentence again.
+:::::The walls bit could also arguably be categorized by footnotes. I'm still thinking about how to best incorporate that without having too much fluff. Regardless, all of this could just be accomplished in another section that's titled "Ω Differences" or whatever. I really don't think that the page is going to be unreadable just because of these additions, nor is listing things via sentences necessarily bad (although the footnote style of categorization might make things a lot more manageable). <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 21:42, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
+<small>(Reset indent)</small> You're probably right on that particular matter, then. However, I still stand by my original point that splitting the pages will make them both easier to navigate. If I can add a bit more to that point, the page as is mixes points pertaining to omega forms and regular FD between sections and even bullet points. Typically, readers will be curious about omega forms specifically or Final Destination specifically, and the current format makes research for that a bit too cumbersome, and that issue would remain even if we rewrote the page or something of a similar measure without basically splitting the page into two huge sections. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 21:59, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
+:The parts about FD and Ω are all separated by sections except in the trivia. I think the page, as is, is easy enough to navigate. If the page itself becomes too cumbersome or whatever, the footnotes would chop off a large amount of the Ω section. ( I also would like to know where you're getting your assumption about reader curiosity; I clump up both stages whenever I think about them. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 22:07, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
+::I suppose I generalized a bit there, but when I look around the community, people tend to discuss the legality of FD and omega stages separately, and questions will regard either Final Destination itself or omega stages in general (with the arguable exception of omega Pac-Land and its quirks, but that only comes up once in a blue moon.) As for the layout of the page, it alternates between referring to Omega stages and FD roughly seven(!) times. That could be mitigated with cleanup, but only so much. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 21:43, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::7 times? I'm not seeing it, unless you're looking at the pictures (which are still poorly organized in this case, honestly). People also combine the legality of FD and omega stages (a FD ban is also an omega ban)
+:::That aside, I'd also like info on the amount of cloned moves we have that are on a single page (like counter). I'll concede the opposition for this if we split those as well, because they honestly fall into the same category of splitting imo (same yet slightly different, too many pictures on one page, etc.) <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 22:26, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::I am looking at the pictures, and the legality has been separated almost as much as it has been combined (some talk existed about banning FD and replacing it with an omega because of the background, legalizing an omega with walls in addition to FD separately has been suggested recently, etc.).
+::::As for counters, only the Fire Emblem counters are really combined in the manner you're referring to, and they're actually more similar than FD and the omegas. Heck, there's a small case for splitting Ike's counter (slightly different animation, properties change its use significantly). [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 22:37, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::Gonna need a source on your first claim; most people who consider the FD bans as separate than the Omegas are usually claiming that based on how FD's background is visually distracting, which hasn't seriously taken off in most tournaments I believe. The main argument of separation is categorizing each Omega stage, but that's still subject to debate; not a lot of tournaments have decided to work towards that because of the other legal stages available regardless. Tournaments aren't willing to ban each Omega one by one; they'll do archetypes instead of giving each player 30 bans for each match.
+:::::As for the counters vs FD/omegas, they're on the same levels, honestly. Ike's counter is about as different as the wall variations are in my opinion. The traction and blast zone differences are also on par with the counter's slight variations. I'm just not a big fan of having that many images on one page when we can avoid it; most of the trivia is also specific to a certain character, so there's that. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 00:54, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
+Bump. Are we going to do this or no? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 20:45, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
+:No? There's still a discussion going on. Nyargle isn't the only person who can respond. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 21:15, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
+::That said, I think I'll respond. :P
+::You're probably right. It does seem to me that there is something different in how omega stages are viewed and researched than Final Destination itself, but it might just be an irrational gut feeling. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 22:14, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::So is there really any reason to split the page then? All the differences between FD and Omega are all currently covered on the [[Sandbox]] version of the page. I could probably clean it up more if it's still too hard to navigate or whatever. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 22:53, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::How many bumps is this thing going to get [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbyHeadYellowSSB.png|50x20px]] 22:39, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::Thanks for making the talk page harder to edit and filter. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 22:53, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::Idk to me it just seems extremely strange not to have a page for the Omegas. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 23:46, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::::And to me, it feels strange to have to go to another page to see information about Omegas. If you want to split up pages that are this similar, you'd have to apply it to the semi-clone moves (i.e. Counter) as well. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 23:51, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::::It's a similar case, yes, but not completely related. We've chosen what we are going to do with the special moves, now we need to decide what's happening here. In other words, different things (stages vs moves) should not be required to be in the same format, if that makes sense. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 00:11, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::::::Your welcome, megatRon :] [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbyHeadYellowSSB.png|50x20px]] 16:18, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
+<small>(Reset indent)</small>Serpent King does make a valid point. It's not like we're giving every omega form its own page, either, so it's not quite like Marth's, Lucina's, Ike's, and Roy's counters being split individually. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 22:11, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
+:@SK and Nyargle: If you're introducing a new interpretation of a ruling, that interpretation could be used to change an already settled policy. If a convicted felon was arrested on witness testimonies alone, the felon can use new DNA evidence to prove innocence. I'm also not proposing splitting up all the counters. Marth's and Lucina should definitely belong together based on clone needs, but this is becoming too much of a tangent.
+:Overall, the only argument left in favor of the split is "I think it looks better this way." There are so, so many things that could be split and undeleted with that reasoning, so is there some other reason you want this page to be split?
+:@KirbyWhatever: If you're going to be unhelpful and a bugger, go to Reddit or something. No response is necessary for this statement. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 22:24, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
+::Oops, i responded. Also Woolly World OMEGA has a taller blast line, so that can be on the draft or something [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbyHeadYellowSSB.png|50x20px]] 15:57, 27 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::Do you have any data points that prove this? [[User:Smashgold347238|<span style="color:#D4AF37">Gold</span>]] [[file:Goldsig.png|20px|link=User talk:Smashgold347238]] 16:24, 27 May 2016 (EDT)
+::I'm not quite following your metaphor. For the record, I'm switching my position to '''neutral'''. I was just saying that stages aren't exactly in the same place for splitting as special moves, and even if they were, you could make arguments for ''partly (not fully)'' splitting both pages. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 16:43, 27 May 2016 (EDT)
+Unrelated to the discussion at hand, but I'll be implementing the [[Sandbox]] templates in around 2 days if there's no opposition to doing so. This doesn't change whether or not the page gets split; we've needed the improvement for a while. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 18:22, 27 May 2016 (EDT)
+:I don't see why we wouldn't just list those in prose. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:10, 27 May 2016 (EDT)
+::"If we listed that off in sentences (which is the way it is right now, but I plan to fix that), it would be very hard to read." <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 03:17, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::And it's hard to read... how? It's concise, it's clear, and it doesn't require people to keep track of bold/italics or see the underline on WHZ. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 03:20, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::None of the opposition have ever addressed why it's hard to read. The only one who ever talked was nyargle, and I just gave him that point because I didn't really care. If it's not obvious enough, '''someone who actually thinks this should reply'''. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 03:22, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::Imo the sentences are fine. I'd like to direct attention back to the original topic though, the split. Supporters claim that a page for omegas would look full enough and that not having a page for such a mode is just odd. The opposing side claims that omegas are collectively too similar to FD to warrant a page. So what now? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 03:30, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::::Honestly, the best course of action would be to just split it.
+::::::The entire debate has been about "I think this looks better" the whole time. There's no actual objective reason to split the page. That said, if it bothers people enough, it just gets split. Done and done. It's not exactly incredibly annoying to have to click on another page for information.
+::::::That said, you just set up another precedence: a page creation can be completely justified if it doesn't bother me, but satisfies other people. That's why I've been mentioning the special moves so much. It's not particularly annoying to have to go to another page to see information about Ike's Counter or Luigi's Fireball, but I think it looks a whole lot nicer if they're all split up. The argument about what to do about that was settled a while back, but people can always rustle things again. You're presenting a new interpretation of what justifies a split; it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to apply that interpretation to this page only just because parts of the community talked it over way back then. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 03:50, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::::There actually was a [[Forum:What to do with pages about cloned and similar special moves|discussion]] on that not to long ago, but aside from splitting a few specific articles (Reflector and Blaster...and I think one more that I am forgetting about) not much came out of it. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 04:00, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::::::And you're using a different approach to splitting the FD/Omega sections. Is there any reason as to why this reasoning can't be applied to moves? <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 04:07, 28 May 2016 (EDT)<br>
+<small>(reset indent)</small> Well no I guess not. I am not entirely opposed to having different versions of special moves get their own pages (it would remove complications) but I think we'd have a hard time convincing the rest of the userbase. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 04:12, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
+Right, I will be carrying out this split tonight unless anyone has anything else to add here. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 19:25, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
+==Elevated Ceiling Blast Lines==
+I do believe that there are some wonky ceiling values across the board depending on the standardized move used. Smashboards tested their values using Mario's u-tilt, Smashgold tested his using Finishing Touch, and I tested a few using Little Mac's sweetspotted u-smash. All of these tests were performed in training mode with no DI possible.
+My results confirmed that Palutena's Temple and Coliseum had slightly larger ceilings than FD, but failed to confirm that Halberd and Battlefield had modified ceilings. If we're going to mention the blast line differences, we need to establish the best testing move in this situation. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 23:41, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
+:Maybe Finishing Touch is too powerful of a move and made no difference even to Shield Art Shulk on the supposedly "higher" ceiling Omega stages. However, the fact that I was able to pull out ''smaller'' ceilings should definitely put us in the right direction. I don't know... I'll try using something like Cloud's down tilt.
+::...Well, that was quick. Down tilt KOs Cloud at 202.5% on FD, but 203% on the three stages with a higher ceiling, and 202% on Omega Battlefield. Hooray. [[User:Smashgold347238|<span style="color:#D4AF37">Gold</span>]] [[file:Goldsig.png|20px|link=User talk:Smashgold347238]] 05:28, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::Woolly World has a much higher blast line [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbyHeadYellowSSB.png|50x20px]] 22:32, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::These are omega stages. Before you assume I made the wrong assumption, Mac's u-smash KO's at the standard 50% here against Mario. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 22:39, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
+== Omega form section ==
+Should this page have its own section for omega forms like all the other stages? [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is bad for me  22:55, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
+:Probably, yeah. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 23:01, 1 June 2016 (EDT)