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==Cloud's Limit Break Bar.== | |||
It needs a picture for the charge. I may have a few. | |||
Also, The limit break lowers the kill percent for the Omnislash.[[User:PacmanLP|PacmanLP]] ([[User talk:PacmanLP|talk]]) 03:11, 19 December 2015 (EST) | |||
It takes about 6 seconds to get it fully charged <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Lilwake1|Lilwake1]] ([[User talk:Lilwake1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lilwake1|contribs]]) 21:02, 4 July 2017</small> | |||
==Limit Breaker quote== | ==Limit Breaker quote== | ||
Thanks to whoever added the up taunt, I've listened to the Limit Breaker line he says when he charges his Limit Breaker to the max, I'm pretty sure he says 限界を超える (genkai wo koeru) which translates to like " | Thanks to whoever added the up taunt, I've listened to the Limit Breaker line he says when he charges his Limit Breaker to the max, I'm pretty sure he says 限界を超える (genkai wo koeru) which translates to like "(I) exceed the limit" which would make sense, so if anyone could add that, feel free to. [[User:JacobARF|JacobARF]] ([[User talk:JacobARF|talk]]) 16:38, 17 November 2015 (CET) | ||
==Up taunt quote== | ==Up taunt quote== | ||
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== Picture of Cloud without Green Background == | == Picture of Cloud without Green Background == | ||
[[:File:Cloud.png]]. | [[:File:Cloud.png]].<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Crowbars|Crowbars]] ([[User talk:Crowbars|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Crowbars|contribs]]) {{{2}}}</small> | ||
Please sign your comments, and new discussions are at the bottom of the page. For the image, we are using the official one. We have a reverted revision of that with transparency, which is preferred if we had to use transparency, which we don't. [[User:DekZek|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Dek'''</font><font color="Blue">'''Zek'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 17:21, 13 November 2015 (EST) | Please sign your comments, and new discussions are at the bottom of the page. For the image, we are using the official one. We have a reverted revision of that with transparency, which is preferred if we had to use transparency, which we don't. [[User:DekZek|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Dek'''</font><font color="Blue">'''Zek'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 17:21, 13 November 2015 (EST) | ||
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Then again...it's protected, so you can't change it. <s>Ahahahahahaha I can't believe they went that far</s> I'm not surprised they went that far '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 22:23, 15 November 2015 (EST) | Then again...it's protected, so you can't change it. <s>Ahahahahahaha I can't believe they went that far</s> I'm not surprised they went that far '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 22:23, 15 November 2015 (EST) | ||
It's also worth noting that when Cloud charges forward he doesn't stop at the edge of a platform or stage like marth's critical hit does | |||
== [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-PtKZCjkQo Cloud's moveset] == | == [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-PtKZCjkQo Cloud's moveset] == | ||
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:Done. Thanks for the pics. [[File:Zyrac sig.png]] <font face="Lucida Console">[[User:Zyrac|<font color="green">'''Zyrac'''</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Zyrac|<font color="green">talk</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Zyrac|<font color="green">contribs</font>]])</small></font> 07:52, 17 December 2015 (EST) | :Done. Thanks for the pics. [[File:Zyrac sig.png]] <font face="Lucida Console">[[User:Zyrac|<font color="green">'''Zyrac'''</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Zyrac|<font color="green">talk</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Zyrac|<font color="green">contribs</font>]])</small></font> 07:52, 17 December 2015 (EST) | ||
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== Why was my tips trivia removed? == | |||
I don't think he has any tips. (Damn it, I forgot to sign again! Why can't this be automatic?) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 13:36, 27 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:Cuz you don't think it be like it is, but it do. Saw tips for him and Midgar while playing, so you're mistaken. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 17:56, 27 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::There are? Because I haven't seen any, and the lists of tips don't have any.[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:52, 27 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::If you have the DLC, you should see them. The list of tips we have is outdated, so it isn't the best source of information right now. | |||
:::Also, something something use <nowiki>:</nowiki> when responding. Please see the coding in this discussion to further understand this coding shenanigan if necessary. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 00:50, 28 December 2015 (EST) | |||
== Silent Cloud == | |||
I've had an incident where [[SSB4|Cloud]] wouldn't play sounds correctly when hitting opponents with some of his attacks. Too bad my forgetfulness caused me to not save the replay so I could later try to upload it. | |||
[[User:Yin10Dou|Yin10Dou]] ([[User talk:Yin10Dou|talk]]) 23:54, 2 January 2016 (EST) | |||
== Cloud's Alternate KO Line == | |||
Cloud has this rare KO line where he utters something silently in Japanese. Does anyone know what exactly he says? Sounds something like "Misata" although I have no idea if that is even right. [[User:Archrelico|Archrelico]] ([[User talk:Archrelico|talk]]) 22:18, 13 February 2016 (EST) | |||
Bumping. [[User:Archrelico|Archrelico]] ([[User talk:Archrelico|talk]]) 06:25, 4 March 2016 (EST) | |||
If I remeber correctly, he's saying "I've made a mistake" in Japanese. So it kinda means what it sounds like.[[User:WolfBloodSpam|WolfBloodSpam]] ([[User talk:WolfBloodSpam|talk]]) 07:00, 4 March 2016 (EST) | |||
Could I have the kanji so I can put it in the trivia? [[User:Archrelico|Archrelico]] ([[User talk:Archrelico|talk]]) 07:31, 4 March 2016 (EST) | |||
The kanji says "Kyo", meaning "curse" or "misfortune". [[User:WolfBloodSpam|WolfBloodSpam]] ([[User talk:WolfBloodSpam|talk]]) 10:36, 5 March 2016 (EST) | |||
==Cloud's description on his approach is outdated== | |||
As the article reads, Cloud is very strong in doubles play, more so than his singles results. This is evident with pretty much every winning team for doubles in major tournaments having a Cloud. In fact, his strengths do not transfer over to his singles plays, drastically so. So to say that he is "one of the most effective characters at spacing, approaching, and zoning" is a stretch. We can all agree with spacing and zoning because that's fundamental for his character archetype, but "approaching"? | |||
His approach is mediocre at best. In order for Cloud to pressure he has to be in the air and attack, and this strategy can only go so far when eventually Cloud has to land. Since his ground game is a bit trash he can't pressure that well as we all though he could. The fact that Cloud's aerial moves initiate from behind counteracts his long range, power, and speed. Cloud is much better at walling out opponents, a plan that works remarkably well in doubles but doesn't fare well in singles. Top players' voices and results have discredited the idea Cloud is very good at approaching. —[[User: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Magenta">S+ Tier</font>]] ([[User talk: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Purple">List</font>]]) <font color="Aqua">|</font> [[File:Isohunt.jpg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tiers_nonexistent|Look what I've done!!!]] 00:45, 30 April 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Anyone is free to rewrite a character's article to update how their playstyle is viewed over time, so maybe you could enhance the page by adding the points you mentioned and removing excessively shining opinions? For example I've already done so much for other articles... (but I won't list them.) My issue is I play mostly Shulk and Mac, but don't play a lot of Cloud, so my views might make a rewrite inaccurate in ways. [[User:Archrelico|Archrelico]] ([[User talk:Archrelico|talk]]) 06:05, 30 April 2017 (EDT) | |||
::I don't play Cloud myself <strike>because he's the competitive version of 4Glory Falcon</strike> but that's a weakness I've been hearing around lately (though, based on my opinion, my experiences tell me if you perfect shield the predictable F-air from Cloud he has lost neutral). I'm posting this here because it is still very established his approach is very good, when in reality it's just below average, and I'm trying to get some backing here in case someone reverts changes. —[[User: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Magenta">S+ Tier</font>]] ([[User talk: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Purple">List</font>]]) <font color="Aqua">|</font> [[File:Isohunt.jpg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tiers_nonexistent|Look what I've done!!!]] 20:05, 30 April 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::<strike>Trust me I'm also tired of seeing all these damn Clouds</strike> I'm unsure, but I doubt it is a bad idea to mention what you have (aerials start from behind, below-average ground moveset). I agree on the point where Cloud has a "meh" neutral game, mostly because now I believe people mistake his excellent ''neutral'' as a good approach. He has a ton of leeway to make mistakes, but he doesn't have many approach options apart from spamming massive aerials or using his speed (Or infamously forcing his opponent to approach by charging Limit). [[User:Archrelico|Archrelico]] ([[User talk:Archrelico|talk]]) 22:49, 30 April 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::...I'll do it. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''Beep'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 00:32, 1 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Cloud Players == | |||
I think we should discuss which Cloud Player should be put in this article.Cause there are so many good Cloud around here. [[User:NaughtyPigMario|NaughtyPigMario]] ([[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|talk]]) 09:54, 27 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
I just saw that you listed Leo as the best which he isn't he was certainly the best Cloud early 2017 but Since EVO 2017, Tweek's Cloud has seen improved results and wins so there is no way Leo is better especially since Tweek has better wins with Cloud and has higher peaks (he got 3rd at EVO 2017 by going solo Cloud and he won LEO Saga by primarly using Cloud both of which are S+ tier tourneys). So you should just take into account all the results and not just those of this year. Because most people consider Tweek tied with Leo for best Cloud. | |||
[[User:Raygo|Raygo]] ([[User talk:Raygo|talk]]) 11:36, 8 August 2018 (EDT) | |||