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Fox's purple costume is clearly Wolf.[[User:SpizzySPAM|SpizzySPAM]] ([[User talk:SpizzySPAM|talk]]) 02:30, 29 December 2015 (EST)SpizzySPAM | Fox's purple costume is clearly Wolf.[[User:SpizzySPAM|SpizzySPAM]] ([[User talk:SpizzySPAM|talk]]) 02:30, 29 December 2015 (EST)SpizzySPAM | ||
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==Luigi== | ==Luigi== | ||
Can someone fix Luigi on this page? I don't know how. [[User:Sir Jolteon|Sir Jolteon]] ([[User talk:Sir Jolteon|talk]]) 16:57, 4 February 2016 (EST) | Can someone fix Luigi on this page? I don't know how. [[User:Sir Jolteon|Sir Jolteon]] ([[User talk:Sir Jolteon|talk]]) 16:57, 4 February 2016 (EST) | ||
:Yeah, for some reason the code's not working. I tried fixing it but I don't know what the problem is either. | :Yeah, for some reason the code's not working. I tried fixing it but I don't know what the problem is either. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Disaster Flare|Disaster Flare]] ([[User talk:Disaster Flare|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Disaster Flare|contribs]]) 22:00, 4 February 2016 (EDT)</small> | ||
:: remember to sign your comments [[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]] ''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' EZMONEY!! 17:09, 4 February 2016 (EST) | :: remember to sign your comments [[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]] ''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' EZMONEY!! 17:09, 4 February 2016 (EST) | ||
:::I coulda swore I did...ah well. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:10, 4 February 2016 (EST) | :::I coulda swore I did...ah well. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:10, 4 February 2016 (EST) | ||
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==Corrin Alts.== | ==Corrin Alts.== | ||
The wiki says that Corrin's 6th alt is not related to anything but with the alt. being female, having purple-ish hair, and darker clothing, I feel it somehow associates with Camilla. With Camilla having BLACK clothing, that kinda voids it......but the correlation(or should I say corrin-ation) is real to me! | The wiki says that Corrin's 6th alt is not related to anything but with the alt. being female, having purple-ish hair, and darker clothing, I feel it somehow associates with Camilla. With Camilla having BLACK clothing, that kinda voids it......but the correlation(or should I say corrin-ation) is real to me! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Pokerick|Pokerick]] ([[User talk:Pokerick|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokerick|contribs]]) 01:07, April 17, 2016</small> | ||
Nah. Nice pun though haha. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 03:45, 17 April 2016 (EDT) | Nah. Nice pun though haha. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 03:45, 17 April 2016 (EDT) | ||
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== Little Mac's orange alt color == | == Little Mac's orange alt color == | ||
Though I can agree on the fact that little mac's orange alt color could be from the multiplayer mode, his tank top does not turn orange, so I believe his shorts are supposed to represent Mr.Sandman's contender mode shorts from the 2009 release. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Apathyismymiddlename|Apathyismymiddlename]] ([[User talk:Apathyismymiddlename|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apathyismymiddlename|contribs]]) 15:24, 15 April 2018 (EDT)</small> | |||
:The colors are swapped, because his shorts in Smash turn the color his shirt does in Punch-Out!!. That said, I think you might be on to something about Mr. Sandman. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 16:02, 15 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Mario's Black-and-white Costume & Superfluous Info == | |||
I think this may have been specified in the past, but I strongly believe that Mario's black-and-white costume swap is the same swap based on Foreman Spike from the previous Smash entries. At first glance it may seem very different from Spike's sprite from ''Wrecking Crew'', the palette has become gradually more monochromatic with each ''Smash Bros.'' entry. I wanted to bring this up here on the Talk page first because I wanted to specify on the article page that the palette was: "Originally based on {{s|mariowiki|Foreman Spike}} from ''{{s|mariowiki|Wrecking Crew}}'', though the palette has become more monochromatic with each new ''Smash'' title." I'm worried other users would disagree with my assertion and delete the information. Are there any strong opinions on the subject here? [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 01:16, 19 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
:It seems pretty obvious to me that it is indeed based on Foreman Spike. Looks like it's evolved from Brown to Black, with each iteration making it more darker. Also, just a heads up, references shouldn't be on talk pages. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 02:33, 19 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
::Oops, that was an oversight. But I'm glad to hear you agree with me. [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 09:49, 19 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
Ah, there is another topic I wanted to bring up. The descriptions for Mario's yellow and purple costume swaps mention that the same color arrangement was possible in ''A Thousand-Year Door''. This is a neat piece of trivia, but is this really relevant? The Wario-inspired yellow costume has appeared in every ''Smash'' game, two of which predate ''A Thousand-Year Door'' by several years, leading me to think that it's really just a coincidence that the same color combination occurs in the ''ATYD''. Similarly, I think the Waluigi-inspired purple swap was mainly - if not entirely - influenced by the fact that Mario already has a Wario-based swap, rather than ''ATYD''. [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 10:09, 19 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
:Yes, it is likely coincidental. [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: blue;">'''Iron Reggie,'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: green;">'''the Earthling Warrior'''</span>]] 10:12, 19 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Sheik's colors == | |||
Sheik's "pink" costume is very clearly not pink; it's purple. However, her OoT outfit is currently defined as "purple", despite being much bluer than it is purple. I recommend either a change to make her default costume be labeled "default" (a la Bowser, Corrin, Duck Hunt, etc.), her OoT outfit labeled "blue", and her purple costume labeled "purple"; or, we could keep her default outfit as blue and call her OoT outfit "indigo" or "navy". | |||
I would make one of these changes myself -- and even attempted to -- but due to the formatting, it would require the names of the head icons to be changed, and I can't move the "SheikHeadPinkSSB4-U.png" file to "SheikHeadPurpleSSB4-U.png" because the current "SheikHeadPurpleSSB4-U" file would still have a redirect. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 10:29, 15 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Greninja Alt Inspirations == | |||
Greninja's Alt 4 is based on [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Spr_6x_658_s.png its shiny coloration], where it is black. [[Special:Contributions/70.53.110.81|70.53.110.81]] 00:04, 19 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:While this has been claimed in the past, almost nothing is shared between the two. Shiny Greninja's body is almost entirely black with the exception of its red tongue and blue webbing. Greninja's black alt in Smash retains the beige underbelly, has an orange tongue, and brown webbing. The only parts of its body that are black aren't even the same shade as its shiny form. There's just too much deviation to believe that that alt is an intentional homepage to Shiny Greninja. It looks more like [https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Spr_5b_535_s.png Shiny Tympole] than anything else, honestly. [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 00:18, 19 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Mega Charizard in Find Mii == | |||
Is Mega Charizard X always treated as black in Find Mii? He's the only character transformation who doesn't have that information listed in this article. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 12:45, 26 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:Megazard X is a different kind of transformation Final Smash, so he doesn't qualify under the "X is always treated as Y in Find Mii" treatment. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 13:11, 26 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
::I don't see why we can't specify this for Charizard too. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 13:21, 26 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::I think Aiden was alluding to the fact that the game does not internally equate Mega Charizard X to the color black. We didn't just make up those attributes: they manifest on the Find Mii stage. [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 16:00, 26 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
::What exactly makes it different from Mega Lucario? [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 16:29, 26 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::It's the type of transformation: Super Sonic, Megazard X, and Super Dragon are different than Mega Lucario, Wario-Man, and Giga Bowser/Mac, in that the former is restricted in attacks, and is essentially a "power up"; the latter is an entirely different character (so to speak), so it is recognized as such. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 02:00, 30 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
::::This is correct. Mega Charizard X is just a prop that Charizard dresses up as, whereas Mega Lucario is an entirely separate character with its own defined attributes. Generally speaking, you can tell the difference because the latter has an entire moveset, whereas the former can only do a few unique things. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bomb 08:44, 30 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Mii Fighter Costumes == | |||
I'm proposing that we make an entirely separate page for the Mii Fighter Alternate Costumes and leave a redirect here. My reasoning is: | |||
*It would make this page more consistent as a whole. | |||
*We could show different color variations variants without extending this page. | |||
*We could showcase male/female variants with larger pictures where one can actually see the difference. | |||
*We could list the official costume descriptions in the DLC shop and further elaborate on the basis for vanilla game costumes. | |||
Thoughts? [[User:AmoongussForLife|<span style="color:green">AmoongussForLife</span>]] [[File:AmoongussForLife's_signature.png]][[User_talk:AmoongussForLife|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]] 09:59, 6 July 2018 (EDT) | |||
: '''Support'''. The Mii Fighters already take up more space than any other characters do, and I think it would be important to show gender/color, and larger picture would make it much easier to view, especially for nearsighted people (like me). [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 11:17, 30 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 | |||
==The Dog== | |||
# Dalmatians do legitimately have floppy ears. I don’t know why anyone would suggest otherwise. However, so do Rottweilers. I think the issue is that the Rottweiler does not have a body-shape very compatible to the Duck Hunt dog. It is more likely that a hound-like dog would be the source of inspiration. The same with the Pit Bull for the blue alt. (color #3). | |||
# In addition, I don’t believe either of these breeds are popular in Japan. Rottweilers and Pit Bulls are illegal in several areas of Japan and are consequently uncommon. | |||
# That being said, I do not it can be argued that the Duck Hunt black alt. (color #2) is based on a Rottweiler or Coonhound because most of these dogs have black-and-tan coats. The alt has a tricolor coat, and while both Rottweilers and Coonhounds can exhibit this coat pattern, so do many, many other dogs and it is typically not associated with them. I see little reason to think the alt could arguably be based on any specific breed. There are just too many hound-like dog breeds with that type of coat. The most realistic and conservative comment to make is that the dog has a tricolored coat pattern. I have contacted the Japan Kennel Club for records on hunting dog registered in 2013 to learn if there’s a popular breed of hunting dog associated with the tricolored pattern that could be the source of inspiration, but they have not gotten back to me yet. Until we do, I do not think we could argue the black alt looks like any specific alt. | |||
# I think we should be more conservative in general with the breeds suggested. Chocolate labs are monotone and probably would not have a white muzzle like in the 4th alt. There’s a similar issue with the yellow 7th alt., which supposedly looks like a Golden Retriever despite having brown sock and ear patterns. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:55, 19 July 2018 (EDT) | |||
==Luigi's 2nd Color== | |||
To me, this very much resembles the Orange Luigi from Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon's ScareScraper.I think it was the P3 Luigi. But I think this makes more sense then saying it looks like boxart of Mario with a different colored hat. I'd say that's a much larger leap than saying it looks like an alternate Luigi from ScareScraper. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 10:20, 30 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 | |||
:Orange Luigi wears: An orange hat, orange overalls, and a green shirt. The 2nd color has him wearing: An orange hat, blue overalls, and a orange shirt. Only one of those matches. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 10:52, 30 July 2018 (EDT) | |||
:: I suppose you are right. And while I admit I was wrong, I still think it's a rather large leap to compare it to boxart of Mario that doesn't even have the same colors. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 11:13, 30 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 | |||