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 :We actively don't list {{SSBM|Pichu}} for [[Mew2King]], and he actually consistently uses him for sandbagging. When Zero doesn't even use Shulk for sandbagging in tournament, it's no argument that Shulk shouldn't be put as one of his characters. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:40, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
+Zero used Shulk in doubles when he teamed with ESAM at Shine 2016 Grand Finals
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRhaxhxvbtk
+[[User:JamesTheCoolKid999|JamesTheCoolKid999]] ([[User talk:JamesTheCoolKid999|talk]]) 14:11, August 14, 2020 (EDT)
+:It looks more like a sandbag pick than a serious pick. Plus, he didn't even win the set using Shulk. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:15, August 14, 2020 (EDT)
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 ::::To IP, first sign your name with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>>. Second, offline and online is different than tournament play, since there's the case of sandbagging and not taking matches seriously, as there are low stakes. Finally, as I said above, we don't know how those fundamentals work in the current metagame; ZeRo needs to prove that he can handle it in actual tournament play before gaining that status.
 ::::This does bring up a separate point: how do we define Top Professional? For example, {{Sm|Vintendo}} is listed as one despite only having one outstanding placement - is 25th at EVO good enough for Top Professional? [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 12:28, August 12, 2019 (EDT)
+:::::Top 32 at the largest Smash tournament of all time is pretty damn good and it was extremely stacked, so yeah, I think it warrants the status. As for ZeRo's wins on Rideae and Plup, neither of them were Top 100 for the first half of the year (according to the X-Factor survey, at least, and they weren't on OrionRank either), although Plup probably would be ''now'' during the second half of the year. I obviously think ZeRo could be very good if he chose to compete, but for now, that's not where his heart is at, and that's perfectly fine. However, he only has two results to his name for now, and 25th/3,534 at EVO is more impressive than 9th/361 at Smash Conference United relative to their sizes. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 13:57, August 12, 2019 (EDT)
+== How is Mario one of Zero's mains? ==
+Normally the article says Diddy Kong, Wolf, but there is Mario on his ultimate mains. Im curious on how Mario is there? [[User:S3AHAWK|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:Blue;">S3AHAWK</span>]][[File:S3AHAWK_Signature_icon_1.png|20px]][[File:S3AHAWK_signature_icon_2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|Talk]]) 20:46, April 25, 2020 (EDT)
+:Because he mainly used Mario in the Quarantine Series's first minor tournament last week. I still believe it's too early to make a call but I don't think it matters to much right now. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 21:04, April 25, 2020 (EDT)
+::Sorry I am late but thanks for the response:-) [[User:S3AHAWK|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:Blue;">S3AHAWK</span>]][[File:S3AHAWK_Signature_icon_1.png|20px]][[File:S3AHAWK_signature_icon_2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|Talk]]) 00:07, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
+== Professional Ultimate player? ==
+Should ZeRo really be considered a retired "Professional" SSBU player? He's seen exactly 2.5 offline SSBU tournaments, and only a handful of online ones. I don't think he's gone to enough to nearly be considered professional in that stance.
+:ZeRo should be considered a professional imo, but definitely not a Top pro. He has taken sets off of some solid players, like {{Sm|Plup}}, {{Sm|Rideae}}, and {{Sm|Ross}} (with Plup being a top pro and the latter two are professionals), especially Plup, who is most likely a Top 100 player last season. From the very few offline tournaments he had attended, ZeRo did shoe his professional status, with one being a decent placing, and the other having a pretty solid win. Offline is a completely different environment, even then ZeRo did do decent at one of them. However, we mostly can't judge someone skill based on their online results (unless they are purely a Wi-Fi Warrior). So inclusion, I think what ZeRo did for offline is good enough to deserve a professional status for ''Ultimate''. His lack of offline tournaments attendance and relatively few top players wins are what holding him back from being a top professional, however, he is solely a streamer now so.  [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM🐷'''</span>]]  [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 20:07, July 1, 2020 (EDT)