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{{Rfa close|failed|It is clear at this point that there is too much debate around this candidate for a promotion to be in order. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 10:33, 16 November 2015 (EST)|type=rfb}}
=== {{s|User|Miles of SmashWiki}} ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Miles of SmashWiki|contribs]] • [[Special:Editcount/Miles of SmashWiki|edit count]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for bureaucratship/Miles of SmashWiki|RFB page]]) ===
=== {{s|User|Miles of SmashWiki}} ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Miles of SmashWiki|contribs]] • [[Special:Editcount/Miles of SmashWiki|edit count]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for bureaucratship/Miles of SmashWiki|RFB page]]) ===
''Candidate, please summarize why you are running for bureaucratship below.''<br>
''Candidate, please summarize why you are running for bureaucratship below.''<br>


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#:I now switch to <s>'''VERY, VERY strong support'''</s>, as I think you will not abuse the user rights tool, edit interwiki data effectively, etc. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 06:53, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#:I now switch to <s>'''VERY, VERY strong support'''</s>, as I think you will not abuse the user rights tool, edit interwiki data effectively, etc. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 06:53, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#::I now switch back to '''VERY strong support''', as OT is making everybody suddenly oppose, But this user is known for hating on Miles. (I still support Miles for being a fantastic admin.[[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 11:38, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::I now switch back to '''VERY strong support''', as OT is making everybody suddenly oppose, But this user is known for hating on Miles. (I still support Miles for being a fantastic admin.[[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 11:38, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::You know a comment that doesn't address the arguments and only doubles down because "OT is just hating" only makes the support side look worse, and reinforces the point that the only people who approve of Miles are newer inexperienced/incompetent users who don't fully understand what goes into making this wiki successful? You can support Miles all you want, but if you actually want to see this RfB succeed, you need to put up a real argument. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:46, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::You know a comment that doesn't address the arguments and only doubles down because "OT is just hating" only makes the support side look worse, and reinforces the point that the only people who approve of Miles are newer inexperienced/incompetent users who don't fully understand what goes into making this wiki successful? You can support Miles all you want, but if you actually want to see this RfB succeed, you need to put up a real argument. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:46, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::::1. I ain't no newbie, I ain't no inexperienced, I ain't no incompetent user. 2. What makes a wiki successful? 1. Good sysops/bcrats/devs 2. Good faith users. 3. I'd rather not get into an arguement, OK? [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 11:54, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::::1. I ain't no newbie, I ain't no inexperienced, I ain't no incompetent user. 2. What makes a wiki successful? 1. Good sysops/bcrats/devs 2. Good faith users. 3. I'd rather not get into an arguement, OK? [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 11:54, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::::It's not an argument, it's basic supporting your opinion. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 12:04, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::::It's not an argument, it's basic supporting your opinion. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 12:04, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::::So I checked and you been here for less than three months, and with your comments here...yeah it reinforces the aforementioned perception. And just so you know the wiki doesn't operate on vote count, so you'll need to put up a real argument in your support if you wish to counteract the opposition. No matter how strong one claims their support is will it mean anything if the commenter attached to it provides nothing of substance to support it.  <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:16, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::::So I checked and you been here for less than three months, and with your comments here...yeah it reinforces the aforementioned perception. And just so you know the wiki doesn't operate on vote count, so you'll need to put up a real argument in your support if you wish to counteract the opposition. No matter how strong one claims their support is will it mean anything if the commenter attached to it provides nothing of substance to support it.  <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:16, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::You might as well go back to '''VERY VERY strong support''' if your reason for a less supportive vote is OT causing this RFB to collapse around itself, because bandwagon is the worst reason to change vote. Same goes with Nintendofan. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 12:13, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::You might as well go back to '''VERY VERY strong support''' if your reason for a less supportive vote is OT causing this RFB to collapse around itself, because bandwagon is the worst reason to change vote. Same goes with Nintendofan. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 12:13, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::::Or, the opposition has a lot stronger arguments than the support and users are realising that. You can come up with counter-arguments instead of claiming it to be a "bandwagon". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:16, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::::Or, the opposition has a lot stronger arguments than the support and users are realising that. You can come up with counter-arguments instead of claiming it to be a "bandwagon". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:16, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::::No Omega. He said word for word "OT is making everyone suddenly oppose". He said nothing about their arguments. You seem to be firing shots aimlessly at all sides, including your own. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 12:28, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::::No Omega. He said word for word "OT is making everyone suddenly oppose". He said nothing about their arguments. You seem to be firing shots aimlessly at all sides, including your own. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 12:28, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::::::So pointing out faults in one's argument (or lack of argument) is now "aimlessly firing shots"? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:48, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::::::So pointing out faults in one's argument (or lack of argument) is now "aimlessly firing shots"? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:48, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::::::<s>Then support your argument with precise facts and examples to counteract this. Otherwise, you will win back no one. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 12:31, 15 November 2015 (EST)</s>
#::::::<s>Then support your argument with precise facts and examples to counteract this. Otherwise, you will win back no one. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 12:31, 15 November 2015 (EST)</s>
#:::@NB: At this point I have no idea who you are talking to, but even though you put your post just below mine, I believe that was directed to INoMed because notging in that comment had anything to do with what I said. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 12:38, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::@NB: At this point I have no idea who you are talking to, but even though you put your post just below mine, I believe that was directed to INoMed because notging in that comment had anything to do with what I said. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 12:38, 15 November 2015 (EST)
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#:::::...yes...shouldn't that be obvious for you? [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 15:36, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::::...yes...shouldn't that be obvious for you? [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 15:36, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::::: ganonmew i only switched because i looked at their history more and i find that unless they can stop fighting i aint changing to support... you understand? [[User:Nintendofan1653|Nintendofan1653]] ([[User talk:Nintendofan1653|talk]]) 16:07, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::::: ganonmew i only switched because i looked at their history more and i find that unless they can stop fighting i aint changing to support... you understand? [[User:Nintendofan1653|Nintendofan1653]] ([[User talk:Nintendofan1653|talk]]) 16:07, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::::::Why do you even care he took off one "very" from his "support"? The wiki doesn't care how big you try claiming your support is, when the attached comments hold nothing of substance. You and the rest can say how your support is '''VERY STRONG''' with as many bolded adverbs you want, it's not going to magically make your "vote" worth more. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:03, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::::::Why do you even care he took off one "very" from his "support"? The wiki doesn't care how big you try claiming your support is, when the attached comments hold nothing of substance. You and the rest can say how your support is '''VERY STRONG''' with as many bolded adverbs you want, it's not going to magically make your "vote" worth more. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:03, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::::::Wow, looks like I'm not the only one making '''a bunch of mistakes'''. Not meaning to be rude here, though. [[File:PikachuMS.png|20px]] [[User:ThePikaPlayer|<span style="color: gold;">'''Pika,'''</span>]] [[User Talk:ThePikaPlayer|<span style="color: brown;">'''Wild Turkey Appeared!'''</span>]] 09:50, 16 November 2015 (EST)
#<s>'''Same as INoMed'''</s> '''Very strong support''' It's true you can be stubborn or hasty sometimes. But the important thing is, you learn from your mistakes. You've been an invaluable contributor to this wiki, and you've been doing just as well since the day I joined. Plus, a semi-active bureaucrat (Toomai) isn't enough. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''([[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">talk</span>]])'' 04:51, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#<s>'''Same as INoMed'''</s> '''Very strong support''' It's true you can be stubborn or hasty sometimes. But the important thing is, you learn from your mistakes. You've been an invaluable contributor to this wiki, and you've been doing just as well since the day I joined. Plus, a semi-active bureaucrat (Toomai) isn't enough. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''([[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">talk</span>]])'' 04:51, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#:Just going to make my points a little bit more clear... Miles is unlikely to do the same mistake even twice, has contributed in everything regarding this wiki ([[SW:TONE]] for example), is always one of the first to assist other users, and actively fights for the wiki's well-being. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''([[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">talk</span>]])'' 07:25, 2 November 2015 (EST)
#:Just going to make my points a little bit more clear... Miles is unlikely to do the same mistake even twice, has contributed in everything regarding this wiki ([[SW:TONE]] for example), is always one of the first to assist other users, and actively fights for the wiki's well-being. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''([[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">talk</span>]])'' 07:25, 2 November 2015 (EST)
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#<s>'''Support'''. I'm still not sure that your dispute handling is 100% there yet (I agree it is getting better), but you'd be a perfect bureaucrat otherwise IMO. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: blue">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] Let's go Mets! ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:40, 1 November 2015 (EST)</s>
#<s>'''Support'''. I'm still not sure that your dispute handling is 100% there yet (I agree it is getting better), but you'd be a perfect bureaucrat otherwise IMO. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: blue">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] Let's go Mets! ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:40, 1 November 2015 (EST)</s>
#:I'd like to point out that while, yes, Miles has definitely had significant problems in the past with disputes, he seems to be getting much better with them. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 11:23, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:I'd like to point out that while, yes, Miles has definitely had significant problems in the past with disputes, he seems to be getting much better with them. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 11:23, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::I highly suggest you read my posts in the comments where I thoroughly debunk this "improvement" claim, shit like the Marth incident and the attitude he displayed here wouldn't be happening if he was "better". Also, it shouldn't be a remote thought on anyone's mind if a 7 year admin has "improved" during his run for bureaucrat. You're an admin now, you should know better than this and fully understand what bureaucrat entails. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:31, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::I highly suggest you read my posts in the comments where I thoroughly debunk this "improvement" claim, shit like the Marth incident and the attitude he displayed here wouldn't be happening if he was "better". Also, it shouldn't be a remote thought on anyone's mind if a 7 year admin has "improved" during his run for bureaucrat. You're an admin now, you should know better than this and fully understand what bureaucrat entails. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:31, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#An extra dose of level-headedness wouldn't go amiss, although the doses you've taken thus far are prevalant, and really, time will tell when it comes to this. I see no reason to oppose this. Just keep up your self-improvement and critique acceptance. All that said, '''Support.''' <font face="Agency FB">Score[[Special:Contributions/ScoreCounter|C]]o[[User:ScoreCounter|u]]n[[User Talk:ScoreCounter|t]]er</font> 16:01, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#An extra dose of level-headedness wouldn't go amiss, although the doses you've taken thus far are prevalant, and really, time will tell when it comes to this. I see no reason to oppose this. Just keep up your self-improvement and critique acceptance. All that said, '''Support.''' <font face="Agency FB">Score[[Special:Contributions/ScoreCounter|C]]o[[User:ScoreCounter|u]]n[[User Talk:ScoreCounter|t]]er</font> 16:01, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#:Given the below commentary, I think I'll enhance my reasoning a bit more. Whilst it is true that we do indeed have an active B'crat, and that has seemed efficient for some time, the fact that there is no deliberate need to have an another should neither sway anyone towards Support or Oppose. We're trying to answer the question "Does/can this person need/deserve/be trusted with the related powers?" I do indeed think that Miles having these powers will at least be of some benefit to the wiki, as it will help the system run better, as that would mean more time is covered, so to speak. Based off his contributions both to the technical side of the wiki and the community aspect, I think that I am justified in saying that he does meet the requirements of being a BC. However, here, I hit a snag, as there has been some rough patches in the past, including multiple scuffles with OT, two of which coming to mind, which I really wouldn't want to migrate to scuffles between Miles and Toomai. However, I do note that, bar the exception that quite a few people had noted, and I don't feel like I need to, he has not had, to my memory, too many disputes with other editors on the wiki, particularly so in recent history - before that, not so much. Therefore, my end argument is this - I support this RFB not only because Miles, in my opinion, satisfies those conditions, but that I find no substancial reasoning not to. Certanly, should such reasons arise in the future, my opinion may change, but, until such a time, I will keep my opinion as '''support'''. However, I will note one other thing - should this RFB be passed, this will leave us in the slightly awkward position of having two BC's. To bring British Law into this, in a Magistrate's court, you either have one Magistrate, or three, never two. The reason for this is obvious - irresolvable disagreements are very likley, a 1/3 random chance, as opposed to a 1/5 random chance with, four. Hence why I really don't want disagreements between the two. However, I do think it's unlikley, and we can resolve it if it happens. <font face="Agency FB">Score[[Special:Contributions/ScoreCounter|C]]o[[User:ScoreCounter|u]]n[[User Talk:ScoreCounter|t]]er</font> 16:44, 6 November 2015 (EST)
#:Given the below commentary, I think I'll enhance my reasoning a bit more. Whilst it is true that we do indeed have an active B'crat, and that has seemed efficient for some time, the fact that there is no deliberate need to have an another should neither sway anyone towards Support or Oppose. We're trying to answer the question "Does/can this person need/deserve/be trusted with the related powers?" I do indeed think that Miles having these powers will at least be of some benefit to the wiki, as it will help the system run better, as that would mean more time is covered, so to speak. Based off his contributions both to the technical side of the wiki and the community aspect, I think that I am justified in saying that he does meet the requirements of being a BC. However, here, I hit a snag, as there has been some rough patches in the past, including multiple scuffles with OT, two of which coming to mind, which I really wouldn't want to migrate to scuffles between Miles and Toomai. However, I do note that, bar the exception that quite a few people had noted, and I don't feel like I need to, he has not had, to my memory, too many disputes with other editors on the wiki, particularly so in recent history - before that, not so much. Therefore, my end argument is this - I support this RFB not only because Miles, in my opinion, satisfies those conditions, but that I find no substancial reasoning not to. Certanly, should such reasons arise in the future, my opinion may change, but, until such a time, I will keep my opinion as '''support'''. However, I will note one other thing - should this RFB be passed, this will leave us in the slightly awkward position of having two BC's. To bring British Law into this, in a Magistrate's court, you either have one Magistrate, or three, never two. The reason for this is obvious - irresolvable disagreements are very likley, a 1/3 random chance, as opposed to a 1/5 random chance with, four. Hence why I really don't want disagreements between the two. However, I do think it's unlikley, and we can resolve it if it happens. <font face="Agency FB">Score[[Special:Contributions/ScoreCounter|C]]o[[User:ScoreCounter|u]]n[[User Talk:ScoreCounter|t]]er</font> 16:44, 6 November 2015 (EST)
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#'''''What the hell''''' Miles shouldn't even be an admin, let alone a bureaucrat. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:02, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#'''''What the hell''''' Miles shouldn't even be an admin, let alone a bureaucrat. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:02, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#:Here we go, it's ToastUltimatum all over again. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 09:05, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#:Here we go, it's ToastUltimatum all over again. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 09:05, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#::Don't make it worse... [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 09:06, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#::Don't make it worse... [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 09:06, 11 November 2015 (EST)
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#::::Yes, and I'm trying to stop it before it actually ''gets'' stared. Please, ''don't make it any worse than it needs to be''. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 09:09, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#::::Yes, and I'm trying to stop it before it actually ''gets'' stared. Please, ''don't make it any worse than it needs to be''. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 09:09, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#:...um, care to elaborate? [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:24, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#:...um, care to elaborate? [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:24, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#::Simply, the two necessary traits for a bureaucrat, are their judgment, and the ability to arbitrate. From my five years of observing and interacting with Miles, he has shown some astonishingly poor judgment that never improved, and there are nonadmins that shown better capability at arbitrating and handling user disputes. And unlike admins, there's no significant janitorial use for bureaucrats, so Miles' one true strength is irrelevant here. Not to mention this RfB strikingly reminds me of Miles' RfA, which was a textbook "why not?" promotion, and as Miles been a brilliant example of over the years, you should never promote users on the basis of "why not we need more". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:03, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#::Simply, the two necessary traits for a bureaucrat, are their judgment, and the ability to arbitrate. From my five years of observing and interacting with Miles, he has shown some astonishingly poor judgment that never improved, and there are nonadmins that shown better capability at arbitrating and handling user disputes. And unlike admins, there's no significant janitorial use for bureaucrats, so Miles' one true strength is irrelevant here. Not to mention this RfB strikingly reminds me of Miles' RfA, which was a textbook "why not?" promotion, and as Miles been a brilliant example of over the years, you should never promote users on the basis of "why not we need more". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:03, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#:::Personally, the way I see it is he's saying, in addition to the "why not have more", "I think I'm ready for this and can handle it well". (And that's not to say that he is or isn't.) [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 11:06, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#:::Personally, the way I see it is he's saying, in addition to the "why not have more", "I think I'm ready for this and can handle it well". (And that's not to say that he is or isn't.) [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 11:06, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#:::I just want to point out that Miles has probably been [[SW:AGF|assuming good faith]] in all users to OT. Now I've said this, I'm scared to the maximum. [[File:PikachuMS.png|20px]] [[User:ThePikaPlayer|<span style="color: gold;">'''Pika,'''</span>]] [[User Talk:ThePikaPlayer|<span style="color: brown;">'''Wild Turkey Appeared!'''</span>]] 09:55, 16 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Light oppose''' I think Miles is a useful admin, certainly, but the iffy reputation surrounding him makes it hard to put Miles at the highest rank available, and I think that given time, Nyarglebargle and Serpent King would make better bureaucrats, thanks to the higher professionalism they show off. But if the need for a bureaucrat is there, who am I to stand in the way? [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 11:02, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Light oppose''' I think Miles is a useful admin, certainly, but the iffy reputation surrounding him makes it hard to put Miles at the highest rank available, and I think that given time, Nyarglebargle and Serpent King would make better bureaucrats, thanks to the higher professionalism they show off. But if the need for a bureaucrat is there, who am I to stand in the way? [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 11:02, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#:Technically, a crat isn't the highest position available. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 11:04, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#:Technically, a crat isn't the highest position available. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 11:04, 11 November 2015 (EST)
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#'''Not yet'''. Omega Tyrant does bring up a valid point in that it's taken you years to improve (as much as I feel he exaggerated it), so my perspective (six months) is indeed limited, and the improvement you've shown over the past few months is not marked enough to make up for all that. I do believe that you are slowly becoming more fit for bureaucrat, but there's still subtle traces of stubbornness that need to be eradicated before I'm ready to move back to support. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 12:01, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Not yet'''. Omega Tyrant does bring up a valid point in that it's taken you years to improve (as much as I feel he exaggerated it), so my perspective (six months) is indeed limited, and the improvement you've shown over the past few months is not marked enough to make up for all that. I do believe that you are slowly becoming more fit for bureaucrat, but there's still subtle traces of stubbornness that need to be eradicated before I'm ready to move back to support. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 12:01, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Oppose''': I change my vote because your response to the comments below are less than satisfactory in my opinion. I believe I may have been misguided by my general "give them a chance" mindset. I see now that clearly, to give you a chance is to take a tremendous risk. That's all I have, I've said my piece below. I hate doing this, but no deal Miles. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 13:36, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Oppose''': I change my vote because your response to the comments below are less than satisfactory in my opinion. I believe I may have been misguided by my general "give them a chance" mindset. I see now that clearly, to give you a chance is to take a tremendous risk. That's all I have, I've said my piece below. I hate doing this, but no deal Miles. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 13:36, 15 November 2015 (EST)
==== Neutral ====
==== Neutral ====
# <s>'''Neutral leaning towards support''': First off, I do not disagree with anything you said below. The reason this is not a full support is because I have not forgotten the [[Talk:Marth_(SSB4)#.22Subjectivity.22|Marth]] argument (and similar, that's just the one that stands out most to me), which I felt that you handled entirely wrong (as you probably recall). That was a while ago though, and because I have not seen anything remotely like that since Marth, I can move past it (mostly). Looking back on it, would you have handled the situation differently? [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 01:32, 1 November 2015 (EDT)</s>
# <s>'''Neutral leaning towards support''': First off, I do not disagree with anything you said below. The reason this is not a full support is because I have not forgotten the [[Talk:Marth_(SSB4)#.22Subjectivity.22|Marth]] argument (and similar, that's just the one that stands out most to me), which I felt that you handled entirely wrong (as you probably recall). That was a while ago though, and because I have not seen anything remotely like that since Marth, I can move past it (mostly). Looking back on it, would you have handled the situation differently? [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 01:32, 1 November 2015 (EDT)</s>
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#:::You're not being silly, I've observed his behavior and have come up with the same conclusion. I could glean that from the one interaction I had with him, where I made a sweeping edit and he undid it out of fear of it being subjective and contentious, when the material I edited out was already subjective and contentious being there in the first place. This, among other logical inconsistencies, are among my other various observations... '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 04:46, 12 November 2015 (EST)
#:::You're not being silly, I've observed his behavior and have come up with the same conclusion. I could glean that from the one interaction I had with him, where I made a sweeping edit and he undid it out of fear of it being subjective and contentious, when the material I edited out was already subjective and contentious being there in the first place. This, among other logical inconsistencies, are among my other various observations... '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 04:46, 12 November 2015 (EST)
#:::That said, that's the one glaring flaw I've seen in him as a user/Admin here that's consistent across the board. Every other reason that comes to mind points back to this. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 04:54, 12 November 2015 (EST)
#:::That said, that's the one glaring flaw I've seen in him as a user/Admin here that's consistent across the board. Every other reason that comes to mind points back to this. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 04:54, 12 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Oh bugger''' I knew this would happen eventually and was not looking forward to discussing it. My initial reaction is "neutral", and that is primarily because my kneejerk visualization of a wiki where you are bureaucrat is not any better or worse than it is now. I'm going to have to do a lot more thinking on this before coming to a better result. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Sharp 10:06, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Oh bugger''' I knew this would happen eventually and was not looking forward to discussing it. My initial reaction is "neutral", and that is primarily because my kneejerk visualization of a wiki where you are bureaucrat is not any better or worse than it is now. I'm going to have to do a lot more thinking on this before coming to a better result. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Sharp 10:06, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#:That has to be the most bizarre vote in the neutral section I have ever seen. xD [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 10:12, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#:That has to be the most bizarre vote in the neutral section I have ever seen. xD [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 10:12, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#::That moment when an RFB vote (From a bureaucrat) actually makes your day... [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 10:15, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#::That moment when an RFB vote (From a bureaucrat) actually makes your day... [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 10:15, 1 November 2015 (EST)
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#:*Good admins do not always make good bureaucrats; some wikis break the two positions into two different branches of progression instead of putting one above the other, because it can be argued that they have completely different roles (maintenance of the wiki versus maintenance of personnel). I would in fact argue that we've been a bit of a headless wiki for some time now.
#:*Good admins do not always make good bureaucrats; some wikis break the two positions into two different branches of progression instead of putting one above the other, because it can be argued that they have completely different roles (maintenance of the wiki versus maintenance of personnel). I would in fact argue that we've been a bit of a headless wiki for some time now.
#:*I'd no longer be the only active gold name in Recent Changes. <span style="font-size:50%">(no, this is not a serious reason)</span>
#:*I'd no longer be the only active gold name in Recent Changes. <span style="font-size:50%">(no, this is not a serious reason)</span>
#:At the moment, I am leaning towards "yes, passing this is probably good for the wiki". I'm currently trying to figure out if my reservations have a legitimate basis, or if they're just the annoying human habit of not wanting to give away power. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 12:12, 3 November 2015 (EST)
#:At the moment, I am leaning towards "yes, passing this is probably good for the wiki". I'm currently trying to figure out if my reservations have a legitimate basis, or if they're just the annoying human habit of not wanting to give away power. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 12:12, 3 November 2015 (EST)
#::Ok, that last one is probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 12:19, 3 November 2015 (EST)
#::Ok, that last one is probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 12:19, 3 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Err...''' From my past experience, you certainly had your ups and downs. Granted like Serpent King said for the Marth conflict, I took your side on the debate and defended you but protecting a page just to get your way was unjust. Couple that with other complaints from other admins over the years, it's hard for me to decide if this is right for you. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Left 4 Dead 10:57, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Err...''' From my past experience, you certainly had your ups and downs. Granted like Serpent King said for the Marth conflict, I took your side on the debate and defended you but protecting a page just to get your way was unjust. Couple that with other complaints from other admins over the years, it's hard for me to decide if this is right for you. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Left 4 Dead 10:57, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Completely middle-of-the-road neutral leaning towards no way at all.''' On one hand, I totally agree we need another 'crat. On the other hand, you've kinda left a bad taste in my mouth as an admin. Admittedly, you have improved lately and really haven't done anything wrong to upset me for several months (which is why I'm neutral, not opposed), but because it was one of my first impressions on the wiki it sticks. So yeah. I wouldn't be upset if you got 'cratship, but I can't honestly say that I would be overly happy if you did either. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:DatNuttyKid|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small>  21:01, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Completely middle-of-the-road neutral leaning towards no way at all.''' On one hand, I totally agree we need another 'crat. On the other hand, you've kinda left a bad taste in my mouth as an admin. Admittedly, you have improved lately and really haven't done anything wrong to upset me for several months (which is why I'm neutral, not opposed), but because it was one of my first impressions on the wiki it sticks. So yeah. I wouldn't be upset if you got 'cratship, but I can't honestly say that I would be overly happy if you did either. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:DatNuttyKid|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small>  21:01, 1 November 2015 (EST)
#:I feel the useless need to say this, so I'm going to. I'm not going to be users who have changed their vote simply because OT raised a good point (as good of a point as it is), seeing as I personally have not been a part of or really even seen any of these apparent terrible things. While I highly doubt they are false, I see no reason to change my vote when my personal experiences with Miles have been neutral at their worst within the last two or three months. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  16:14, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#Yeah I'm not really seeing a demonstrable need of b'crat powers. What happened with SK's RfA was in my opinion a one off; we really don't need another crat until RfRs and rename requests happen more frequently. The failed RfAs are mostly irrelevant, as most of the time the verdict can be foreseen the moment you know who the applicant is. I'm not going anywhere lower than '''neutral''' though. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 11:15, 11 November 2015 (EST)
#Yeah I'm not really seeing a demonstrable need of b'crat powers. What happened with SK's RfA was in my opinion a one off; we really don't need another crat until RfRs and rename requests happen more frequently. The failed RfAs are mostly irrelevant, as most of the time the verdict can be foreseen the moment you know who the applicant is. I'm not going anywhere lower than '''neutral''' though. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 11:15, 11 November 2015 (EST)
# '''Now neutral.''' While I think that OT has exaggerated this situation somewhat, he still brought up some important points that need to be addressed before Miles can become a bureaucrat. I still think that Miles has done more for the wiki than anybody else since I joined, but he is not ready for the higher rank yet. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 12:51, 15 November 2015 (EST)  
# '''Now neutral.''' While I think that OT has exaggerated this situation somewhat, he still brought up some important points that need to be addressed before Miles can become a bureaucrat. I still think that Miles has done more for the wiki than anybody else since I joined, but he is not ready for the higher rank yet. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 12:51, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Neutral leaning towards oppose''' Miles really isn't a bad admin or anything, at least in my opinion, but he very much has a "I'm right and you're wrong, end of story" type of attitude (take any example from this thread, and also take a look a while back to the [[amiibo]] head icon debates). He's got a really thick skull and I'm sure a lot of you can agree with me on that. But because of this, I'm don't really think giving him more power is a good idea. I'm only putting my vote in Neutral instead of Oppose because I'm not entirely convinced that he'd do any worse with the bureaucrat powers. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 16:17, 15 November 2015 (EST)


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::Look, I'm sure none of us ''want'' huge piles of text about something almost unnecessary, so please, for the sake of all of us here at the wiki, ''please do '''not''' make it noticeable''. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 09:28, 11 November 2015 (EST)
::Look, I'm sure none of us ''want'' huge piles of text about something almost unnecessary, so please, for the sake of all of us here at the wiki, ''please do '''not''' make it noticeable''. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 09:28, 11 November 2015 (EST)


This comment section and its completely counter-productive over-dramatization is an eyesore. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:39, 11 November 2015 (EST)
This comment section and its completely counter-productive over-dramatization is an eyesore. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:39, 11 November 2015 (EST)
:I concur; a lot of it isn't actually about the RfB. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:11, 11 November 2015 (EST)
:I concur; a lot of it isn't actually about the RfB. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:11, 11 November 2015 (EST)


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::Commentator's curse. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">(talk)</span>]]'' 07:18, 12 November 2015 (EST)
::Commentator's curse. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">(talk)</span>]]'' 07:18, 12 November 2015 (EST)
::Now I feel bad for myself, as if this fails, I'll say its my fault. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Belmont 10:10, 12 November 2015 (EST)
::Now I feel bad for myself, as if this fails, I'll say its my fault. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Belmont 10:10, 12 November 2015 (EST)
:::Then you need to learn what a wiki requires to flourish. Also stop the needless dramatizing already. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:21, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::Then you need to learn what a wiki requires to flourish. Also stop the needless dramatizing already. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:21, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::::I'm not unnecessarily overreacting per se, just taking to myself. What is your criteria for a good SmashWiki then? [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The (person who's name is) StarCraft 10:31, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::::I'm not unnecessarily overreacting per se, just taking to myself. What is your criteria for a good SmashWiki then? [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The (person who's name is) StarCraft 10:31, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:::::The wiki provides an easily-searchable repository with the best unfiltered and easily-read information possible, about the Smash games and the greater Smash community. The wiki additionally must not keep itself in a bubble from the greater Smash community, keep individual user-bias from seeping onto and controlling the pages, have a competent administration that can properly handle the behind-the-scenes stuff to prevent the information from being degraded and facilitate the addition of new factual information, and upkeep a community that fosters valuable contributions and the drive towards this goal. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:25, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:::::The wiki provides an easily-searchable repository with the best unfiltered and easily-read information possible, about the Smash games and the greater Smash community. The wiki additionally must not keep itself in a bubble from the greater Smash community, keep individual user-bias from seeping onto and controlling the pages, have a competent administration that can properly handle the behind-the-scenes stuff to prevent the information from being degraded and facilitate the addition of new factual information, and upkeep a community that fosters valuable contributions and the drive towards this goal. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:25, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::::::Speaking of it, something must be done about [[SW:TONE|this]]. Even though I'm good at neutralising articles, I never felt comfortable doing so. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">(talk)</span>]]'' 11:32, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::::::Speaking of it, something must be done about [[SW:TONE|this]]. Even though I'm good at neutralising articles, I never felt comfortable doing so. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">(talk)</span>]]'' 11:32, 14 November 2015 (EST)


I'll like to [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Talk:Marth_%28SSB4%29#.22Subjectivity.22 bring this up] for the kind of shit Miles does on a routine basis, since from the beginning of his adminship, and that he never once shown any improvement. This power-abusing admin, who has always shown himself to be out-of-touch, and has shown no collaborative skills whatsoever, is who the lot of you are supporting for bureaucrat. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:00, 14 November 2015 (EST)
I'll like to [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Talk:Marth_%28SSB4%29#.22Subjectivity.22 bring this up] for the kind of shit Miles does on a routine basis, since from the beginning of his adminship, and that he never once shown any improvement. This power-abusing admin, who has always shown himself to be out-of-touch, and has shown no collaborative skills whatsoever, is who the lot of you are supporting for bureaucrat. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:00, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:Already brought it up, see my vote. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 03:05, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:Already brought it up, see my vote. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 03:05, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::Yeah I missed that, but either way a much bigger deal of it should be made here. It completely exemplifies all the problems I said Miles had in the past on why he's such a detriment to the wiki, and is proof-positive that, no, he has not improved one bit, and that no, it's not just with me it happens with. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:11, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::Yeah I missed that, but either way a much bigger deal of it should be made here. It completely exemplifies all the problems I said Miles had in the past on why he's such a detriment to the wiki, and is proof-positive that, no, he has not improved one bit, and that no, it's not just with me it happens with. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:11, 14 November 2015 (EST)


I have mostly endeavored to stay quiet and let the community discuss this RfB without adding excess commentary to it myself, posting only to address specific questions directed at me. Nevertheless, I feel I am left with no choice but to comment on certain statements being made about me.
I have mostly endeavored to stay quiet and let the community discuss this RfB without adding excess commentary to it myself, posting only to address specific questions directed at me. Nevertheless, I feel I am left with no choice but to comment on certain statements being made about me.
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:Are you trying to be a comedian? "I seek and value consensus, except when it goes against what I want, and I won't even bother to argue it but I will protect the page and keep everyone else from adding the content I don't like".
:Are you trying to be a comedian? "I seek and value consensus, except when it goes against what I want, and I won't even bother to argue it but I will protect the page and keep everyone else from adding the content I don't like".


:There you go Miles, my conviction against you has only grown, as the stuff you present in your RfB as for why you should be a bureaucrat is either irrelevant fluff, disingenuous, or outright bullshit. I'm not going to tolerate one putting up a charlatan act to get greater power here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 07:42, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:There you go Miles, my conviction against you has only grown, as the stuff you present in your RfB as for why you should be a bureaucrat is either irrelevant fluff, disingenuous, or outright bullshit. I'm not going to tolerate one putting up a charlatan act to get greater power here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 07:42, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::I can't help but notice that you, OT, are fixated on past events from multiple years ago, whereas Miles is more or less focused on more recent events. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 11:10, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::I can't help but notice that you, OT, are fixated on past events from multiple years ago, whereas Miles is more or less focused on more recent events. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 11:10, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:::The Marth incident is recent, and "past events" are fully relevant, when Miles has shown absolutely no indication of any improvement and repeats all the things he is criticized for. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:13, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:::The Marth incident is recent, and "past events" are fully relevant, when Miles has shown absolutely no indication of any improvement and repeats all the things he is criticized for. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:13, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::::Even I will admit that I felt like we need a petition to get rid of Miles from administration around the time of the Marth incident but I don't have all that too many personal qualms with him doing his regular admin routines. Miles also allows users to constructively criticize him on [[User:Miles of SmashWiki/Feedback|here]] too and hopefully he has improved since? [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The N64 14:17, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::::Even I will admit that I felt like we need a petition to get rid of Miles from administration around the time of the Marth incident but I don't have all that too many personal qualms with him doing his regular admin routines. Miles also allows users to constructively criticize him on [[User:Miles of SmashWiki/Feedback|here]] too and hopefully he has improved since? [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The N64 14:17, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:::::Read my direct reply to Miles, where I address the "feedback" page and his supposed "improvement". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:16, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:::::Read my direct reply to Miles, where I address the "feedback" page and his supposed "improvement". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:16, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::::::Well yes, I see. It was just another option. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Penguin 18:01, 14 November 2015 (EST)
::::::Well yes, I see. It was just another option. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Penguin 18:01, 14 November 2015 (EST)
Dare I ask... exactly what is this "Marth Incident" that everyone seems to treat as a major point of contention? Pleasedontflameme! *ducks for cover* [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 16:15, 14 November 2015 (EST)
Dare I ask... exactly what is this "Marth Incident" that everyone seems to treat as a major point of contention? Pleasedontflameme! *ducks for cover* [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 16:15, 14 November 2015 (EST)
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::Seven years, seven years Miles. An admin of seven years shouldn't still need to be improving on adminship basics, an admin of seven years shouldn't still be abusing their power to get their way, an admin of seven years shouldn't still be doing the shit they been called out on countless times, an admin of seven years shouldn't be still [[User:Shadowcrest/Qualifications|failing the criteria here]], an admin of seven years in their run for bureaucrat shouldn't be having the crux of their support be "I'll improve!".
::Seven years, seven years Miles. An admin of seven years shouldn't still need to be improving on adminship basics, an admin of seven years shouldn't still be abusing their power to get their way, an admin of seven years shouldn't still be doing the shit they been called out on countless times, an admin of seven years shouldn't be still [[User:Shadowcrest/Qualifications|failing the criteria here]], an admin of seven years in their run for bureaucrat shouldn't be having the crux of their support be "I'll improve!".


::Seriously, drop this "I'm improving" act already. No matter how much you shout it, your actions have clearly shown otherwise over seven long years. And the ship has long sailed on you being given leniency for your "mistakes" to "improve" on, 2008 was seven years ago. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 05:12, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::Seriously, drop this "I'm improving" act already. No matter how much you shout it, your actions have clearly shown otherwise over seven long years. And the ship has long sailed on you being given leniency for your "mistakes" to "improve" on, 2008 was seven years ago. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 05:12, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::If you're that willing to immediately disregard months and years of hard work towards self-improvement as an "act", it sounds like personal vendetta more than thoughtful criticism. You're entitled to your own opinion, OT, but I'd appreciate if you didn't try to pass it off as fact. Additionally, the main reason I started this RfB to begin with was that I thought we would be better having more than one bcrat, and thus less singularly dependent on Toomai; I considered myself the best available candidate. This RfB is about nothing more than helping the wiki deal with certain tasks more effectively. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:08, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::If you're that willing to immediately disregard months and years of hard work towards self-improvement as an "act", it sounds like personal vendetta more than thoughtful criticism. You're entitled to your own opinion, OT, but I'd appreciate if you didn't try to pass it off as fact. Additionally, the main reason I started this RfB to begin with was that I thought we would be better having more than one bcrat, and thus less singularly dependent on Toomai; I considered myself the best available candidate. This RfB is about nothing more than helping the wiki deal with certain tasks more effectively. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:08, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::"''If you're that willing to immediately disregard months and years of hard work towards self-improvement as an "act", it sounds like personal vendetta more than thoughtful criticism.''"
::::"''If you're that willing to immediately disregard months and years of hard work towards self-improvement as an "act", it sounds like personal vendetta more than thoughtful criticism.''"
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::::I'm someone who is a big believer in the philosophy of self-improvement, whether it be physical, mental, or emotional. Just recently for example, after having neglected my physical shape over the past couple of years, I got serious about my fitness and nutritional intake, lost nearly all the fat I gained, and am now poised to soon do a proper bulk/cut cycle. I'm also a strong believer in redemption and giving people the chance to right their wrongs, BNK is a brilliant example on this wiki on how people can improve so much after they seemed like a lost cause. As such, I absolutely do not think it's impossible for you to truly improve and become not only the great admin all the newbies (including myself when I was one) perceive you as, but also a legitimately great bureaucrat candidate. But I also to have to factor in the reality; you been like this for seven years, and people who are so set in their ways for so long are among the unlikeliest people to actually change and improve. Besides the fact we should judge one's RfX, especially for such an important position as bureaucrat, primarily on their actions throughout their tenure, it gives me incredibly low confidence that you would have the potential to do any remote good with the position.
::::I'm someone who is a big believer in the philosophy of self-improvement, whether it be physical, mental, or emotional. Just recently for example, after having neglected my physical shape over the past couple of years, I got serious about my fitness and nutritional intake, lost nearly all the fat I gained, and am now poised to soon do a proper bulk/cut cycle. I'm also a strong believer in redemption and giving people the chance to right their wrongs, BNK is a brilliant example on this wiki on how people can improve so much after they seemed like a lost cause. As such, I absolutely do not think it's impossible for you to truly improve and become not only the great admin all the newbies (including myself when I was one) perceive you as, but also a legitimately great bureaucrat candidate. But I also to have to factor in the reality; you been like this for seven years, and people who are so set in their ways for so long are among the unlikeliest people to actually change and improve. Besides the fact we should judge one's RfX, especially for such an important position as bureaucrat, primarily on their actions throughout their tenure, it gives me incredibly low confidence that you would have the potential to do any remote good with the position.


::::If you are serious about improving yourself, here is my honest advice for you. Back away from this RfB, take a break from the wiki, ponder why you've been involved with the wiki to such a great degree for so long, and really ponder why you've gotten such significant disapproval over your really long adminship tenure. It takes a lot more than a feedback page on a wiki to really understand where you falter and on how you really can make yourself the best possible person you can be. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:49, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::If you are serious about improving yourself, here is my honest advice for you. Back away from this RfB, take a break from the wiki, ponder why you've been involved with the wiki to such a great degree for so long, and really ponder why you've gotten such significant disapproval over your really long adminship tenure. It takes a lot more than a feedback page on a wiki to really understand where you falter and on how you really can make yourself the best possible person you can be. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:49, 15 November 2015 (EST)


::What more am I expecting of you? I am expecting an admin who can set aside their opinions during decision making and instead use their power to better the wiki. I am expecting an admin who will not belittle other users because you have a higher power. I am expecting an admin who can properly and professionally represent our wiki and the many hours our userbase has put into it. I am expecting an admin who won't bite the head off of a newer contributor because they disagree with you (or tell them that they have no business editing the wiki). I am expecting an admin who can get along with the rest of the staff, thus improving our image (I do understand that OT has acted less then professional in this instance, possibly provoking an irritable response, but this is not the only instance. It isn't even the only recent instance). Consider all of these and improve. Stop saying that you are improving and actually do it. I am sorry I have to be so blunt, but I have already tried a softer approach at this and it has gotten me nowhere. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 13:27, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::What more am I expecting of you? I am expecting an admin who can set aside their opinions during decision making and instead use their power to better the wiki. I am expecting an admin who will not belittle other users because you have a higher power. I am expecting an admin who can properly and professionally represent our wiki and the many hours our userbase has put into it. I am expecting an admin who won't bite the head off of a newer contributor because they disagree with you (or tell them that they have no business editing the wiki). I am expecting an admin who can get along with the rest of the staff, thus improving our image (I do understand that OT has acted less then professional in this instance, possibly provoking an irritable response, but this is not the only instance. It isn't even the only recent instance). Consider all of these and improve. Stop saying that you are improving and actually do it. I am sorry I have to be so blunt, but I have already tried a softer approach at this and it has gotten me nowhere. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 13:27, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::You also do realize that I was even planning to have a petition to get rid of you from administration because of the Marth (not only incident but) scandal among the other faults that you have done to the wiki. Seriously, [[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki/Archive13#Get informed|this]] among other things summarize how many problems established users have with you. To be honest Miles. Miles never changes. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Goldfinger 14:58, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::You also do realize that I was even planning to have a petition to get rid of you from administration because of the Marth (not only incident but) scandal among the other faults that you have done to the wiki. Seriously, [[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki/Archive13#Get informed|this]] among other things summarize how many problems established users have with you. To be honest Miles. Miles never changes. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Goldfinger 14:58, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::Ok, the amount of bytes you added scared me. Also, this is painfully right, not gonna lie. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 15:09, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::Ok, the amount of bytes you added scared me. Also, this is painfully right, not gonna lie. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 15:09, 15 November 2015 (EST)
I would like to share my thought concerning the common response I see you give Miles when told about your mishaps which are basically "I have been improving" or more literally: ''If you're that willing to immediately disregard months and years of hard work towards self-improvement as an "act", it sounds like personal vendetta more than thoughtful criticism.'' First off, you're really not in the right to say that you are in fact improving and everybody else is just being unreasonable. Why? Because it is those same people who pointed out that you have problems in the first place; how could you know you're in fact getting better except through those same people telling you you are since they're the ones who brought it to attention to begin with. You cannot independently determine if you're improving apart from the ones telling you the problems. Imagine a math teacher telling a student that his grades have been slipping and have been doing bad for half the year now. But then the student responds with that he IS getting better at math, it's just the teacher just has something against him and that's why his grades are slipping (or claims the teacher is just being unreasonable). He's the one who pointed out the student's problem with math; he determines if the student is getting better, not the student. When you say "I am getting better at being admin", that is a claim that can only be corraborated by people other than you, since it is them that pointed out the problem to start with. If you're saying you're getting better, but the same people who brought issue with you to begin with say you're not, you're obviously not improving. This isn't to say you can't feel as though you're improving, but rather you cannot corraborate that you are when it was them who brought the issue to you. If you feel like you've been doing better, you need to check with the ones making the claim against you to see if that feeling is true. And finally secondly, it does not matter how hard you work towards something, but rather the results of that work. I know nobody likes hearing that, but it is true. If you're working hard at something with no results then it is your methods that is in error. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 16:32, 15 November 2015 (EST)
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