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{{Rfa close|failed|User did not respond to the questions posed about his qualifications, and in the one case that he did was demonstrably wrong.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 22:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)}}
=== [[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|contribs]] &bull; [[Special:Editcount/Smorekingxg456|edit count]] &bull; [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Smorekingxg456|RFA page]]) ===
=== [[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|contribs]] &bull; [[Special:Editcount/Smorekingxg456|edit count]] &bull; [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Smorekingxg456|RFA page]]) ===
''Please direct all discussions to the [[SmashWiki talk:Requests for adminship/Smorekingxg456|talk page]].
''Please direct all discussions to the [[SmashWiki talk:Requests for adminship/Smorekingxg456|talk page]].
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*I have no life, so I would be able to just sit at my computer all day, waiting for an opportunity to use the admin tools.
*I have no life, so I would be able to just sit at my computer all day, waiting for an opportunity to use the admin tools.
*I have adminship on two wikis, so I'm not a complete n00b to the tools.
*I have adminship on two wikis, so I'm not a complete n00b to the tools.
*[[:Image:Srsbsns.gif|Rawr]]
*[[:File:Srsbsns.gif|Rawr]]


So yes, that is my request "form" and I hope you vote honestly and opening.
So yes, that is my request "form" and I hope you vote honestly and opening.
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*'''Oppose'''.  One, you failed the test pretty badly.  Two, you had a grand total of 16 Smasher Namespace edits before the test, so your argument that you need the tools to not have to tag the pages first fails.  Third, and also including number one, you really haven't demonstrated that you are competent enough with the big names in the Smash Community and/or know how to find information about them that I would feel comfortable letting you just delete pages that you think aren't notable.  Now, along policy lines, I also have strong reservations about you as a sysop.  Generally, your "warnings" issued to other users seem to be nit-picky, and often just you trying to demonstrate that you know the letter of the policy.  I haven't seen an indication that you fully grasp why we have most policies.  This is detrimental to you chances as a sysop as I don't feel that you could distinguish between good faith mistakes and wrong doing.  Additionally, I don't feel that this would help in you working to construct new policies.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 20:11, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''.  One, you failed the test pretty badly.  Two, you had a grand total of 16 Smasher Namespace edits before the test, so your argument that you need the tools to not have to tag the pages first fails.  Third, and also including number one, you really haven't demonstrated that you are competent enough with the big names in the Smash Community and/or know how to find information about them that I would feel comfortable letting you just delete pages that you think aren't notable.  Now, along policy lines, I also have strong reservations about you as a sysop.  Generally, your "warnings" issued to other users seem to be nit-picky, and often just you trying to demonstrate that you know the letter of the policy.  I haven't seen an indication that you fully grasp why we have most policies.  This is detrimental to you chances as a sysop as I don't feel that you could distinguish between good faith mistakes and wrong doing.  Additionally, I don't feel that this would help in you working to construct new policies.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 20:11, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


*'''Oppose''' per the general gist of CHawk, as well as his specific line that "this is detrimental to you [sic] chances as a sysop as I don't feel that you could distinguish between good faith mistakes and wrong doing. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 05:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per the general gist of CHawk, as well as his specific line that "this is detrimental to you [sic] chances as a sysop as I don't feel that you could distinguish between good faith mistakes and wrong doing. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 05:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 
*'''Strong Oppose''' I read what you said on BNK's proboards. Your selfish, arrogant and I don't want an admin who snipes about users who they don't like behind everyone's backs. You have no regard for people's feelings, and frankly, if you are going to accuse me of sockpuppetry, do it to my face, rather than behind my back. I am no sockpuppet. This may come off as harsher than I intended, but there you are. '''<span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy; font-size:8pt">[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]</span>''' 11:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:This makes me chuckle because Smoreking is one of the only people who believes I'm not a sock of DE.  --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 15:02, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::Kinda strange to post here again, but I'm glad I found this.  I don't know if it's a policy or not, but things done or said on another unrelated website shouldn't have anything to do with RfA's, RfR's, etc.  Yes, there have been several posts at several proboards sites, including one that has actually convinced me that, in the least, that Gutripper and TG know each other's passwords.  I know it is an admin's job to get into wkia business, but proboards IS NOT wikia business.  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 03:16, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Believe all you want, but I'm telling the truth. We're mates, thats all. And so what if its on another website. Does that make it ok for me to go around behind everyone's backs, telling everyone that new people are losers, claim credit for everyone elses work, being stuck-up and generally mean? Just because it is not written on here, does not excuse it in my eyes. I am not changing to anything other than '''Strong Oppose'''. You do not deserve adminship in my eyes. '''<span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy; font-size:8pt">[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]</span>''' 03:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::As a ''general'' rule, things that occur off-wiki shouldn't have any bearing on-wiki.  But if, as in this case, you're discussing a person's qualifications for a particular position, and you happen to have seen that person acting in a particularly immature fashion on another site, for example, it's hard to say that that's not applicable to a discussion of whether or not that person is suitably mature.  (Note: I've not reviewed what Smoreking said, so I'm not passing judgment on this particular vote.)  &ndash; [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 04:06, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I am fully aware. I would not have included it in my reasoning if I was not certain of its merit in my opposition. '''<span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy; font-size:8pt">[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]</span>''' 04:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oh, and the one thread that I saw wasn't started by Smore.  I think it was Xtrme.  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 00:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


==== Neutral ====
==== Neutral ====
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::All PAs aside... but "research"? Sorry, I'm confused... <span style="border:2px outset #9900cc;background-color:white;-moz-border-radius:10px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 23:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::All PAs aside... but "research"? Sorry, I'm confused... <span style="border:2px outset #9900cc;background-color:white;-moz-border-radius:10px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 23:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


*By research he means looking over Smore's edit history. As for me, seeings as we've just promoted three admins in the last few months, I don't really think we need that many more. I'm sure Smore would do a good job, but '''Neutral'''. '''[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]'''
*<s>By research he means looking over Smore's edit history. As for me, seeings as we've just promoted three admins in the last few months, I don't really think we need that many more. I'm sure Smore would do a good job, but '''Neutral'''. '''[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]'''</s>
:Is there really such a thing as too many admins? There are times when, despite the large number of admins, none of them are on.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 23:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Is there really such a thing as too many admins? There are times when, despite the large number of admins, none of them are on.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 23:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, there is such a thing as too many admins. If you have too many, it begins to look like an elitist cabal, with all the popular, contributing users as admins, and it creates an inferiority complex for the normal users. But, I don't think it's really applicable for this- our admin:user ratio is fine. --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 23:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, there is such a thing as too many admins. If you have too many, it begins to look like an elitist cabal, with all the popular, contributing users as admins, and it creates an inferiority complex for the normal users. But, I don't think it's really applicable for this- our admin:user ratio is fine. --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 23:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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::...Can't you only get on on weekends?  --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 23:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::...Can't you only get on on weekends?  --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 23:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm supposed to, yes ;) And you'd be surprised how much I could do in one weekend.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 23:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm supposed to, yes ;) And you'd be surprised how much I could do in one weekend.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 23:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As this is an RfA, the right is reserved to provide a hypothetical situation or a test and see how the candidate responds.  So, I have assembled several present articles, both crew and smasher articles. Your job is to investigate and respond, without consultation, about whether they should be deleted or retained.  The articles are: [[Smasher:AK]], [[Smasher:Princess Peachie]], [[Smasher:Kpld]], [[Smasher:Medicine Woman]], [[Smasher:Dr. Quinn]], [[The Only Acronym]], [[GAMER Guild]], and [[Omneox Of Smash]]. Keep in mind there are right/wrong answers, and I know what they are, but some of them have some wiggle room. I've done my homework on this one. I'll strongly consider changing my vote to a support depending on how you do on this one.  Good luck. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 06:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As this is an RfA, the right is reserved to provide a hypothetical situation or a test and see how the candidate responds.  So, I have assembled several present articles, both crew and smasher articles. Your job is to investigate and respond, without consultation, about whether they should be deleted or retained.  The articles are: [[Smasher:AK]], Smasher:Princess Peachie, Kpl], Medicine Woman, Smasher:Dr. Quinn, The Only Acronym, GAMER Guild, and Omneox Of Smash. Keep in mind there are right/wrong answers, and I know what they are, but some of them have some wiggle room. I've done my homework on this one. I'll strongly consider changing my vote to a support depending on how you do on this one.  Good luck. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 06:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I went through them. You can see which ones I tagged.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 14:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I went through them. You can see which ones I tagged.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 14:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


*'''Neutral, slight leaning toward support.''' If I were a bureaucrat and I had to appoint one person that I thought had a chance of passing a normal RfA it would be Smoreking. Given the available candidates, Smoreking is the best option in my opinion. He is the most likely to succeed, most like to make good decisions.... but all that having been said, Smoreking is not the ideal candidate. There are certain things about Smoreking that cast shadows of doubt, though as mentioned these are smaller than some other users'. What Alice said above is also pretty true. If we were in times of trouble, with round-the-clock vandals and busy sysops, I'd support Smoreking in a heartbeat. But since we do not need more admins...and there is always the worry of perceived elitism... I remain neutral. <br>tl;dr: Smoreking is the best available candidate, but whether we need him as a sysop right now is questionable. --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 03:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Neutral, slight leaning toward support.''' If I were a bureaucrat and I had to appoint one person that I thought had a chance of passing a normal RfA it would be Smoreking. Given the available candidates, Smoreking is the best option in my opinion. He is the most likely to succeed, most like to make good decisions.... but all that having been said, Smoreking is not the ideal candidate. There are certain things about Smoreking that cast shadows of doubt, though as mentioned these are smaller than some other users'. What Alice said above is also pretty true. If we were in times of trouble, with round-the-clock vandals and busy sysops, I'd support Smoreking in a heartbeat. But since we do not need more admins...and there is always the worry of perceived elitism... I remain neutral. <br>tl;dr: Smoreking is the best available candidate, but whether we need him as a sysop right now is questionable. --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 03:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Neutral.''' I'm fairly confident that Smoreking would be an able SysOp and he's clearly active; however, with that said, I do have two minor-ish qualms.  First off, I'm not wholly confident in his ability to moderate user conflicts and other problems of that nature, though I've not seen him "in action" often enough to make that judgment with any real certainty (I'll reconsider this if someone provides examples to the contrary, i.e. which demonstrate sound discretionary judgment/capable handling of user conflicts).  Second off, though I don't necessarily see this RfA as an attempt to garner power, I'm not entirely convinced that Smoreking needs SysOp tools (at least in so far as anyone can really ''need'' del/prot/block).  (Additionally, I tend to think we have a sufficient number of SysOps as is, though that doesn't speak in any way, shape, or form to Smoreking as a candidate.)  I've also not seen any abundance of evidence that Smoreking has an above average grasp of policy, though I tend to attribute that primarily to admittedly limited knowledge of Smoreking as an editor.  &ndash; [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 04:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Neutral.''' I'm fairly confident that Smoreking would be an able SysOp and he's clearly active; however, with that said, I do have two minor-ish qualms.  First off, I'm not wholly confident in his ability to moderate user conflicts and other problems of that nature, though I've not seen him "in action" often enough to make that judgment with any real certainty (I'll reconsider this if someone provides examples to the contrary, i.e. which demonstrate sound discretionary judgment/capable handling of user conflicts).  Second off, though I don't necessarily see this RfA as an attempt to garner power, I'm not entirely convinced that Smoreking needs SysOp tools (at least in so far as anyone can really ''need'' del/prot/block).  (Additionally, I tend to think we have a sufficient number of SysOps as is, though that doesn't speak in any way, shape, or form to Smoreking as a candidate.)  I've also not seen any abundance of evidence that Smoreking has an above average grasp of policy, though I tend to attribute that primarily to admittedly limited knowledge of Smoreking as an editor.  &ndash; [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 04:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Neutral, slight lean to support''' Haven't seen too much need for actual adminship, even though you've got some policy knowledge, but you really could use the ban tool to save time.  Once you really get involved in things where it is mostly mostly admins discussing things. <font color="Crimson">Thanks, '''TimeMaster''' [[User talk:TimeMaster|Talk]] [[User:TimeMaster|Main]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|Contribs]]</font> 00:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


== Move for closure ==
I'm moving for this nomination to be closed under ''successful''. '''[[User:Kperfekt722|<span style="color:purple;">Kperfekt</span>]]''' [[User talk:Kperfekt722|<span style="color:red;"><sup>BURN!!!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kperfekt722|<sup>Revert That!</sup>]] 04:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm moving for this nomination to be closed under ''successful''. '''[[User:Kperfekt722|<span style="color:purple;">Kperfekt</span>]]''' [[User talk:Kperfekt722|<span style="color:red;"><sup>BURN!!!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kperfekt722|<sup>Revert That!</sup>]] 04:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's really a stupid thing to say. Five supports, three opposes, and  a large amount on undecided. This needs more deliberation. '''<span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy; font-size:8pt">[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]</span>''' 20:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's really a stupid thing to say. Five supports, three opposes, and  a large amount on undecided. This needs more deliberation. '''<span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy; font-size:8pt">[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]</span>''' 20:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
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::::::There's 5 admins who've voted here -- one in favor, two against and two neutral leaning towards suuport.  So don't generalize inaccurately. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="forestgreen"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="lime">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="lime">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::There's 5 admins who've voted here -- one in favor, two against and two neutral leaning towards suuport.  So don't generalize inaccurately. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="forestgreen"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="lime">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="lime">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::isry, it dn0t look liek dat wit all da walls of text. <span style="border:2px outset #33ff66;background-color:green;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 20:05, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::isry, it dn0t look liek dat wit all da walls of text. <span style="border:2px outset #33ff66;background-color:green;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 20:05, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I can only guess who the people are who dislike Smoreking for his age... and I am certainly not one of them. I have respect for anyone who acts with half the maturity that Smoreking does, but maturity is not the only thing I [and others] look for in an administrator. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 21:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I can only guess who the people are who dislike Smoreking for his age... and I am certainly not one of them. I have respect for anyone who acts with half the maturity that Smoreking does, but maturity is not the only thing I [and others] look for in an administrator. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 21:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Smoreking is smarter than half the users here! <span style="border:2px outset #33ff66;background-color:green;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 21:40, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Smoreking is smarter than half the users here! <span style="border:2px outset #33ff66;background-color:green;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 21:40, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Did I claim he wasn't??? --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 21:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Did I claim he wasn't??? --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 21:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


::::::::::BNK, stop acting as a campaign manager. Saying things like "he's smarter than half the users here" is a really immature and desperate thing to say. If he is ready, his RfA will pass. No one is biased. Stop badgering people. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]  [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]''' 23:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::BNK, stop acting as a campaign manager. Saying things like "he's smarter than half the users here" is a really immature and desperate thing to say. If he is ready, his RfA will pass. No one is biased. Stop badgering people. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]  [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]''' 23:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::::::BNK, why are you '''''again''''' resorting to PAing someone you disagree with? There's much more effective ways of arguing a point than making it personal. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="forestgreen"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="lime">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="lime">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::BNK, why are you '''''again''''' resorting to PAing someone you disagree with? There's much more effective ways of arguing a point than making it personal. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="forestgreen"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="lime">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="lime">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sorry. My new method is asking them to talk to me on the SmashWiki IRC channel. <span style="border:2px outset #33ff66;background-color:green;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 01:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sorry. My new method is asking them to talk to me on the SmashWiki IRC channel. <span style="border:2px outset #33ff66;background-color:green;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 01:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Neutral, slight lean to support''' Haven't seen too much need for actual adminship, even though you've got some policy knowledge, but you really could use the ban tool to save time. Once you really get involved in things where it is mostly mostly admins discussing things. <font color="Crimson">Thanks, '''TimeMaster''' [[User talk:TimeMaster|Talk]] [[User:TimeMaster|Main]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|Contribs]]</font> 00:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 
   
:::::::::::::And that worked ''really'' well. I think that deliberating about whether to close this or not is a waste of time. Why don't we spend the time debating whether he would make a good admin? '''<span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy; font-size:8pt">[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]</span>''' 11:01, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 
:I saw Shadowcrest's log. . .  And, this might seem childish, but sysop for a day and see what he does, and if he's responsible, then un-do the promote if not? Bureaucrats can now undo sysops, now. <font color="Crimson">Thanks, '''TimeMaster''' [[User talk:TimeMaster|Talk]] [[User:TimeMaster|Main]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|Contribs]]</font> 14:18, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
::The point is not whether Smoreking would make a decent admin- there are many people who would make decent admins- but whether he'd be better than decent. "Why not" promotions suck, because filling up the wiki with just average sysops is a waste.  --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 17:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 
OK, here's what's up. First of all, there is nothing close to a consensus here.  There's a lot of people on the fence, three opposes, and a handful of supports, most of which don't actually go towards SK's abilities as a sysop.  As per Shadowcrest, "why not" is not a reason to make someone a sysop.  Also, given that there has been no response to the whole test or my other concerns, it is something of a gift that this hasn't just been closed as failed.  I left it open as part of me feels that SK would make a good sysop, but the current state of the RfA doesn't lend itself to success.  Please, if you want this to go down as a success, get SK to respond to some of the above opposes; I'm very open to hearing why I might be wrong.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 18:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
:Since you feel that he might make a good sysop, wouldn't it be better to give him adminship for a week or two so he can show that he can use the tools properly? If you are not happy with what he does, you can revoke his adminship, as bureaucrats can now de-sysop users. [[User:GT5162|GT5162]] ([[User talk:GT5162|talk]]) 18:16, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think I've answered this twice now... the reason this has not been passed successfully is not that we think Smoreking would abuse the tools, but that he would not perform better than average. Unless we have a pressing need for more admins, there's no reason to promote anyone who isn't excellent. Filling up the wiki with decent sysops is a waste.  --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 18:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
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