Olimar (SSB4): Difference between revisions

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|name = Olimar

The most glaring nerf was the halving of his Pikmin count from six to three due to the limitations of the Nintendo 3DS' processing power. As a result, this hinders his general damage output, as well as his [[camp]]ing potential, especially since [[Pikmin Throw]] deals less damage (especially with White Pikmin). Both Olimar and his Pikmin's endurance is also worse as Olimar is lighter and his Pikmin (except for white Pikmin) have less HP and they die faster if they are separated from Olimar. The removal of [[meteor cancel]]ing also significantly hinders Olimar's endurance against meteor smashes. Olimar's smash attacks have seen various downgrades: they can all be reflected, forward smash has a shorter duration, and his down smash deals less knockback. Up smash, however, had the largest nerf out of all of Olimar's smash attacks. Not only is it much laggier, having increased startup lag and much higher ending lag, but it also has decreased range and power, significantly hindering its utility. Olimar's aerials also deal significantly less damage with forward and down aerial in particular being significantly weaker. Olimar's grab game was also weakened: his grabs have a shorter duration, considerably less range no longer being the longest reaching grabs in the game, and his standing and dash grabs are significantly laggier, making Olimar rely on his already nerfed pivot grab more often. His throws with Blue and especially Purple Pikmin are also weaker which hinders his ability to KO opponents with his throws, especially relative to the cast. Lastly, [[Pikmin Order]] has significantly decreased super [[armor]], hindering its both its safety and overall versatility.

Overall while his recovery has been improved significantly, Olimar's other flaws were not addressed and his strengths were significantly toned down making his flaws more detrimental. Despite this, Olimar has nevertheless retained most of his useful options from ''Brawl'' and remains an above average character. However, Olimar's buffs do not nearly compensate for his more severe nerfs and the changes to the game's mechanics do not benefit Olimar as much as some other returning veterans, which has led to him to be considered one of the characters to have been the most severely nerfed in the initial transition from ''Brawl'', alongside {{SSB4|King Dedede}}, {{SSB4|Meta Knight}}, {{SSB4|Falco}}, {{SSB4|Wario}} and {{SSB4|Marth}} (during the initial release). As a result, Olimar is still a viable character, albeit not to the degree as in ''Brawl''.

**{{nerf|The removal of [[meteor cancel]]ing drastically hinders Olimar's endurance against meteor smashes moreso than any other returning veteran besides {{SSB4|Zero Suit Samus}} due to him previously having one of the most lenient meteor cancel windows in ''Brawl''. While it does also increase the reliability of his down aerial, the move's power has been significantly reduced to compensate.}}

*Pikmin:

**{{change|Pikmin are now plucked in a set cycle (Red → Yellow → Blue → White → Purple), instead of being random and based on [[terrain]].<ref name="Direct"/> This means Olimar no longer has to depend on certain types of terrain in order to pluck certain Pikmin. However, this also makes it significantly less frequent to have two or more of the same type of Pikmin at once, especially when combined with the reduced maximum Pikmin count.}}

**{{nerf|Pikmin now have somewhat flawed [[artificial intelligence]]. As a result, they can potentially fly out of line if Olimar moves too quickly, which prevents combos or follow-ups from being performed effectively. However, this is significantly less prevalent in the {{GameIcon|ssb4-u}} version, as their flawed AI only occurs at edges.}}

*[[Neutral attack]]

**{{change|Olimar has a new neutral attack, the [[pikipedia:Upgrade#Rocket Fist|Rocket Fist]]'s {{s|wikipedia|one-two combo}}.}}

**{{buff|The first hit has increased set knockback (10 (base), 10 (set), 80 (scaling) → 0/(40/30/35)/80).}}

**{{buff|The first hit now has a late hit which deals more damage on Olimar's fist (3% → 4%).}}

***{{nerf|Reduces its range, especially vertically.}}

*[[Forward tilt]]

***{{buff|This makes it a safer spacing tool.}}

***{{nerf|However, this also significantly reduces its range.}}

**{{buff|Forward tilt has less ending lag (FAF 38 → 36).}}

**{{buff|Forward tilt now uses two extended hitboxes which overall cover more horizontal distance relative to Olimar than the previous hitboxes.}}

***{{nerf|However, the move is also no longer disjointed due to its new animation.}}

**{{buff|All grabs have less startup lag (frame 11 → 10).}}

**{{buff|White Pikmin grabs have a larger grabbox (3u → 3.5u).}}

**{{nerf|Standing and dash grabs have more ending lag, especially standing grab (FAF 30 (standing)/40 (dash) → 50/53).}}

**{{nerf|Red, yellow and especially blue Pikmin grabs have considerably reduced range. Their standing and pivot grab ranges in particular have been reduced to the point that they only reach about as far as Olimar's purple Pikmin grabs did previously.}}

**{{buff|Blue Pikmin up throw deals more damage (12% → 12.8%).}}

**{{nerf|Blue Pikmin up throw deals less knockback (55 (base), 72 (scaling) → 80/58), hindering its KO potential (despite its increased damage) while also not improving its combo potential due to the throw's higher base knockback/ending lag.}}

***{{nerf|However, this also hinders its combo potential.}}

*Purple Pikmin:

**{{buff|The changes to hitstun canceling/DI considerably improves down throw's combo potential at higher percents.}}

*Red Pikmin:

***{{buff|However, its knockback was not compensated. When combined with the throw's lower ending lag and the changes to hitstun canceling/DI, this greatly improves its combo potential beyond low percents.}}

*Yellow Pikmin:

**{{buff|The hitbox is larger (7u → 9.45u).}}

*Blue Pikmin:

***{{nerf|However, these changes also hinder down throw's followup potential at higher percents, while also still being too weak to KO at realistic percents.}}

*White Pikmin:

**{{nerf|The hitbox deals less damage (1% → 0.8%).}}

***{{nerf|However, its knockback was not compensated, hindering its followup potential at higher percents.}}

*Purple Pikmin:

**{{buff|Floor attacks deal more damage (6% → 7%) and shield damage (1 → 8) per hit, without full compensation on their knockback scaling (50 → 48).}}

**{{nerf|Floor attacks launch opponents at a higher angle (361° → 48°).}}

**{{nerf|Floor attacks have a shorter duration per hit (3 frames → 2).}}

**{{nerf|Floor attacks now use one extended static hitbox rather than multiple normal hitboxes attached to Olimar's body, which covers less range overall.}}

**{{buff|Edge attack has more intangibility (frames 1-15 → 1-16).}}

***{{nerf|However, there is a longer period of time where Olimar is vulenrable before the hitbox comes out (1 frame → 2).}}

**{{nerf|Edge attack deals less damage (8% → 7%).}}

**{{nerf|Edge attack now only has one static extended hitbox, rather than two hitboxes attached to Olimar as he jumps up, followed by three normal static hitboxes once he lands. This hitbox has less range than the previous late hit, in addition to the move also having much less vertical range.}}

*[[Pikmin Pluck]]

**{{buff|Using Pikmin Pluck while near the edge will no longer propel Pikmin over the edge, significantly improving its reliability when used near edges.}}

***{{nerf|However, this also makes Olimar pluck Pikmin slower on cloth terrains.}}

**{{change|Pikmin Pluck has updated sound effects.}}

**{{change|Pikmin fly off of the opponent much faster once they have finished attacking the opponent (0.6 → 1.3). This makes them fly further after but also makes them land later, giving them more lag.}}

**{{nerf|Pikmin Throw deals less damage when thrown with non purple Pikmin (9% (red)/7% (yellow/blue)/6% (white) → 7.8%/6.5%/5.2%), with red Pikmin throw also having decreased knockback scaling (100 → 92), hindering its effectiveness against boss enemies.}}

***{{nerf|When combined with Olimar's reduced maximum Pikmin count, this significantly hinders Pikmin Throw's damage racking and camping potential, in addition to making the move more committal to use overall.}}

*[[Winged Pikmin]]

***{{buff|Altogether, these traits combined with the removal of edge-hogging make Winged Pikmin a significantly safer, more versatile and less predictable and exploitable recovery move compared to Pikmin Chain.}}

**{{change|Compared to Pikmin Chain, Winged Pikmin are more effective when Olimar has less Pikmin, and less effective when he has more Pikmin.}}

**{{nerf|The ascent deals less damage (15% → 10%). Its knockback was not compensated, hindering the upper hitbox's KO potential.}}

**{{nerf|The ascent has smaller hitboxes (20u/20u → 17u/17u).}}

**{{buff|The Hocotate Ship can now be maneuvered during its descent, similarly to a [[Warp Star]].}}

**{{buff|The falling hit deals more knockback (60 (base), 100 (scaling) → 70/105).}}

*{{Sm|Coco|USA}} - Placed 2nd at [[Combo Breaker 2015]] and 13th at [[The Big House 5]] in [[doubles]] play. Formerly ranked 7th on the [[Michigan Power Rankings]].

*{{Sm|Dabuz|USA}} (#4) - The best Olimar player in the United States and one of the two best ones in the world. Placed 1st at [[WTFox 2]], [[Aftershock 2016]], and [[Smash Valley]]; 2nd at Apex 2015 and [[Super Smash Con 2016]]; 3rd at CEO 2016; 4th at [[Frostbite 2017]]; 5th at [[EVO 2015]] and [[The Big House 6]]; and 7th at [[GENESIS 4]].

*{{Sm|GreenBeast|USA}} - Placed 7th at [[Midwest Mayhem]] and 13th at [[Smash 'N' Splash]].

*{{Sm|ImHip|USA}} - Placed 9th at [[Tournament:Final Battle|Final Battle]]; 17th at Paragon Los Angeles 2015 and [[2GGC: GENESIS Saga]]; and 33rd at [[2GGC: Midwest Mayhem Saga]] and [[2GGC: Civil War]]. Ranked 15th on the [[SoCal Power Rankings]].

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