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'''Ganondorf''' is a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]''. He was buffed significantly in ''Project M'' after being mostly reverted to his ''Melee'' version. However, some ''Brawl'' attributes were maintained, and part of his moveset was changed to make him more well-rounded. <!--tier position paragraph-->

Despite Ganondorf mostly being based on his ''Melee'' iteration, he remains as a slower, stronger, and heavier semi-clone of {{PM|Captain Falcon}}, as he was in ''Brawl'', unlike {{PM|Falco}} to {{PM|Fox}}, as most of Ganondorf's moves continue to use their respective animations from ''Brawl''. In ''Project M'', positive attributes he had in his previous appearances remain, and thus he falls under the general heavyweight archetype, being deemed as a slow, but powerful character with good range due to his large stature. Because his size and height are greater compared to those of Falcon, Ganondorf's attacks are not only stronger than Falcon's, but also have increased range. Ganondorf is formidable and his amazing strength allows him to easily dominate his foes when pushed to the limits.

 

Ganondorf is an overall powerhouse like he was in ''Melee''; being one the strongest characters within the cast, his attacks inflict dangerously high knockback, with some being able to kill at mid-high percentages when charged. Ganondorf also has access to the most powerful [[meteor smash]] in his [[down aerial]] and one of the strongest [[spike]]s in his aerial [[Wizard's Foot]]; these attacks are notoriously excellent edgeguarders, as his down aerial is rather difficult to recover from, even when meteor canceled, due to its immense strength, while his Wizard's Foot, being a spike, sends opponents downwards like his dair, but deprives them of the ability to meteor cancel.

Ganondorf is unique in that he is one of the only two characters who can capable of lengthening his recovery, alongside Captain Falcon. While his recovery is normally regarded as abysmal, combined by his low jump height, high gravity, low air speed, and his up special, [[Dark Dive]], not granting enough vertical or horizontal distance, while being very predictable and easy to [[edgeguard]] and [[edgehog]], Ganondorf has the ability to enhance his recovery by executing his aerial Wizard's Foot. For every attempt of the move, Ganondorf will restore his midair jump, and thus bringing him closer to the stage and greatly increasing his horizontal recovery.

Back in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', Ganondorf struggled against projectile users due to his tall size and no counter to them, as well as off-stage survivability due to a poor recovery, but these are no longer an issue in ''Project M'' due to the advent of Dead Man's Volley & Drift. This new move gives Ganondorf a [[reflector]] that sends projectiles back at double their original speed, arming him with an effective anti-projectile option. In addition to slightly higher mid-air jumps and aerial Wizard's Foot restoring mid-air jumps, the new move also provides brief [[floating]] when used in the air, allowing Ganondorf to recover better to the stage while giving him more options for recovery mix-ups. Dead Man's Volley & Drift serves as a useful tool for Ganondorf, remedying several of his major issues and allowing him to compete better.

Even as a powerhouse, Ganondorf does have his flaws. On the disadvantageous side, his larger and taller stature than Falcon's grants him a larger hurtbox, which, combined with his heavier weight, makes him easier to combo and generally, hit. He also possesses one of the slowest dashing speeds despite it being significantly faster than in ''Brawl'', hindering his ability to catch up to his opponents on foot. His high gravity make him one of the easiest characters to combo and chainthrow. Lastly, despite Flame Choke, Dark Dive, and Wizard's Foot being significantly improved, as well as the addition of Dead Man's Volley & Drift, his recovery is still somewhat predictable due to it being mostly linear.

Despite this, Ganondorf's strengths generally overpower his flaws. As a result of a general return to form in the transition from ''Brawl'', while still maintaining his combo starter Flame Choke (while it was slightly nerfed), DACUS, improved tilts, the welcome changes to Dark Dive, and now being equipped with an extra recovery tool that doubles as a reflector, he is considered to be vastly buffed.

==Changes from ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'' to PM==

Given the sheer amount of nerfs Ganondorf received in ''Brawl'' that made him plummet to the very bottom of the tier list, he is significantly buffed in ''Project M''; most of his favorable traits from ''Melee'' return, along with ''Brawl''{{'}}s tilt attacks and [[Flame Choke]], restoring his recovery, speed, and combo and K.O.ing ability back to its prime. Some of his more powerful moves have been given less ending lag or greater reach, many late weak hitboxes and sourspots were removed, and his less often used moves have been replaced with weaker but much more practical moves: his new up tilt comes out much faster, and his new neutral special Dead Man's Volley & Drift is a reflector that doubles as a floating maneuver; to compensate for the loss of [[Warlock Punch]] Ganondorf's down taunt received an attack that operates similarly to it. Finally, several of Ganondorf's animations have been overhauled, when combined with the addition of Dead Man's Volley makes him a slightly more accurate representation of his appearance in ''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time''.

Now equipped with an anti-projectile and recovery mix-up option, and decent speed combined with his menacing power, he has the potential to be one of the best characters in the game. However, despite his buffs, he is obviously not invincible and can still easily be overwhelmed by faster or combo-heavy opponents.

[[File:Ganon Neutral B PM 3.5.jpg|thumb|right|Ganondorf's new Neutral Special.]]

[[File:PM 3.5 Ganon Sword (GIF).gif|thumb|right|Ganondorf using his sword.]]

*{{change|Most of his aesthetics were altered to be more inline with his magical warlock theme. He uses his dashing, grabbing, and grounded Wizard's Foot animations from ''Melee''. The fist hitbox of [[forward aerial]] produces a [[darkness]] effect while [[back aerial]] produces an [[electric]] effect. [[Dark Dive]] now makes Ganondorf briefly flash purple during the uppercut portion. Both back aerial and neutral attack now also use a different "punch" SFX similar to that of his side taunt. His sidestep and rolling dodges make him flicker and glow purple during his intangible frames. His forward tilt now has him retreating his leg instead of dropping it. His forward smash resembles a faster Warlock Punch animation.}}

*{{buff|Dashing speed has been reverted to that of ''Melee'', which is significantly faster than ''Brawl''{{'}}s run speed.}}

*{{buff|Jump squat is one frame shorter, allowing Ganondorf to be airborne and perform aerials and wavedashes slightly faster.}}

*{{buff|Midair jumping height slightly increased; Ganondorf can now edge hop more easily onto the stage.}}

*{{nerf|Ganondorf can no longer perform the [[Flight of Ganon]].}}

*{{buff|[[Forward tilt]] can be [[angling|angled]] like it could in ''Melee'', and has improved horizontal reach and less ending lag.}}

**{{nerf|The tip of forward tilt has a more diagonal trajectory than the rest of the hitbox, hitting at the [[Sakurai angle]] instead of the usual [[semi-spike]] angle from ''Brawl''.}}

*{{buff|New [[up tilt]]: Shock Stomp. Ganondorf lifts his foot, then quickly brings it down an electric stomp of high hitbox duration. Hits twice, much like {{SSB|Captain Falcon}}'s up tilt in ''Smash 64'', striking on frames 5-11 and 25-28 instead of 81-83 from the old up tilt and interruptible on frame 62 instead of 113, with the second hit having strong power and knockback enough to reliably KO under 100%. It also deals up to 30% total damage (3% more than the ''Brawl'' up tilt) and lacks any sourspots. This new up tilt is much faster and slightly more damaging than the original Volcano Kick.}}

**{{nerf|New up tilt has significantly weaker knockback (''Melee'' up tilt could KO under 25%) and has no vacuum effect.}}

*{{buff|[[Down tilt]] has less ending lag.}}

*{{buff|[[Dash attack]] has its faster speed from ''Melee'' and now be canceled in to a long [[DACUS]].}}

**{{nerf|Dash attack's knockback values were not adjusted for the much faster falling speeds, making it a bit less effective and reliable at KOing (with it now KOing around the 115-145% range, about 25% later than in ''Brawl'').}}

*{{buff|[[Up smash]] reverted back to the stronger, faster, and sourspot-less double-hitting "tornado kick" from ''Melee''. It also has slightly wider hitboxes and the second kick deals 2% more damage.}}

**{{nerf|Up smash's interruptibility is pushed forward to be slightly later than in ''Melee''.}}

*{{buff|[[Down smash]] reverted back to its ''Melee'' form, being much faster and less laggy, stronger, hitting more vertically, and its two hits linking together more effectively.}}

*{{nerf|[[Forward smash]] is slightly weaker unless it is angled upward, and it additionally produces more vertical knockback, slightly weakening its KOing ability, especially against fast fallers.}}

*{{buff|Neutral aerial's hits are easier to link into each other, and the move [[autocancel]]s sooner, allowing it to be autocanceled in a short hop fast fall. The first kick comes out faster, and the second kick has also been reverted back to its ''Melee'' power.}}

**{{nerf|Neutral aerial's late hitboxes were removed, significantly decreasing its hitbox duration (from 6 frames to 2 frames).}}

*{{buff|Forward aerial reverted back to its significantly less ending and landing laggy, farther reaching, and sourspot-less ''Melee'' version. It also has significantly higher base knockback.}}

*{{buff|Back aerial reverted back to its stronger knockback, farther reaching, and longer hitbox duration ''Melee'' version, but still retains the ''Brawl'' sourspot. It also has less ending lag, still allowing autocancels in a short hop fast fall.}}

*{{buff|Down aerial reverted back to its stronger, slightly wider reaching, and sourspot-less ''Melee'' version. It also has slightly less ending lag, still allowing autocancels in a short hop. It additionally no longer has [[transcendent priority]], which now allows it to cancel out projectiles.}}

*{{buff|Grabbing reach from ''Brawl'' was slightly improved.}}

*{{buff|Pummel deals 1% more damage.}}

*{{buff|Up throw has less base knockback like in ''Melee'', allowing effective follow-ups, as well as chain throw fast fallers.}}

*{{buff|Down throw's knockback scaling was weakened, and has its ''Melee'' trajectory of throwing the opponent right next to Ganondorf, allowing it to chain throw and setup very effectively.}}

*{{buff|Forward throw inflicts more knockback.}}

*{{nerf|Back throw deals slightly less damage and has weakened knockback like in ''Melee'', being less effective for getting opponents offstage and is no longer being capable of KOing at very high damages.}}

*{{buff|Down taunt can be held to make Ganondorf attack with a downward swing of his sword. It has the same startup, damage and knockback as his [[Warlock Punch]] but it has much greater range and has light armor right before it hits. The damage is at its highest at the tip of the sword where it makes a small explosion on the ground. It also possesses a large, weaker but still quite powerful sourspot during the swing of the sword. However, it cannot be reversed or used in the air like Warlock Punch.}}

*{{buff|New neutral special: Dead Man's Volley & Drift. Using this move in the air causes him to [[float]] for one second, like {{PM|Peach}} and {{PM|Mewtwo}}. Using it while floating or on the ground will have him flip his cape, reflecting projectiles back at twice their speed. This improves Ganondorf's recovery and his options against projectile users.}}

*{{buff|Grounded [[Flame Choke]] deals 3% more damage and travels faster and farther. Additionally, if Ganondorf falls off an edge with the move, he will go into the ending animation instead of instantly becoming [[helpless]], allowing him to still grab the ledge within the game's new physics.}}

**{{nerf|Grounded Flame Choke can now be [[tech]]ed, making its followups from ''Brawl'' more read-oriented.}}

*{{buff|Aerial Flame Choke deals 1% more damage and now inflicts caught opponents with a weak set knockback [[meteor smash]], causing them to weakly bounce up instead of being immediately floored; this leads to it having guaranteed followups like its grounded version. In addition, if Ganondorf performs a [[Sacrificial KO]] with it when he and his opponent are on their last stock, he'll always win now, as opposed to a [[Sudden Death]] or loss for Ganondorf in ''Brawl''.}}

*{{buff|[[Dark Dive]] has slightly faster start-up, and its power has been drastically increased, with the grab and throw dealing 1% more damage than the ''Melee'' version along with the throw and uppercut hitbox being able to reliably KO under 150%. The removal of [[hitstun]] cancelling also now prevents opponents from being able to attack Ganondorf out of the move. The throw also completes much faster, giving caught opponents much less time to react and DI.}}

*{{buff|[[Wizard's Foot]] has its late weak hitboxes removed for both grounded and aerial versions, and its power has been increased to being slightly stronger than its ''Melee'' version, reliably KOing around 115%, and dealing 2% more damage on the ground and 5% more in the air. Aerial Wizard's Foot also restores Ganondorf's midair jump and [[spike]]s opponents for its entire duration as it did in ''Melee'', significantly improving Ganondorf's recovery and equipping him with a deadly [[edge guard]].}}

*{{change|Dash attack can slip off edges like in ''Melee''.}}

*{{change|Warlock Punch is now reversible. Its turn occurs slightly later than in ''Brawl'', but can be performed up to four times.}}

*{{buff|Ganondorf received a new Neutral special, "Dead Man's Volley/Drift". When used in the air it allows him to float. When used on the ground or while already floating, it allows him to reflect projectiles with a flip of his cape. Despite this new change, Kirby still copies the [[Warlock Punch]].}}  

*{{buff|Ganondorf is now always KO'd last when suiciding with Flame Choke.}}  

*{{buff|Down taunt can be used as an attack when held. It has the same startup, damage, and knockback as his Warlock Punch except it has greater range and has super armor right before it hits. The damage is at its highest at the tip of the sword where it makes a small explosion on the ground.}}

**{{nerf|The sword swing cannot be reversed, nor can it be used in the air like Warlock Punch could.}}

*{{buff|Neutral aerial has slightly less endlag and start-up (first active frame from 7 to 5 frames).}}

*{{change|Back aerial has a new animation.}}

===v3.6 Beta===

*{{nerf|Neutral aerial's late weak hits were removed, as well as an active frame being removed from the strong hit, resulting in a significantly reduced hitbox duration for each kick (from 6 frames to 2 frames).}}

*{{buff|Dead Man's Volley reflect window increased by 3 frames. It also now has a trail that accurately depicts its reflect location and duration.}}

*{{nerf|Ganondorf's down taunt attack now receives [[light armor]] instead of [[super armor]]. It also hits 1 frame later.}}

**{{buff|Now has a large, weaker hitbox that covers the swing of the sword in return. This hitbox has the lowest priority, so opponents in front of Ganondorf are still hit with the main hitbox.}}

*{{change|As an aesthetic when wearing the ''Ocarina of Time'' costume, Ganondorf will wield [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH5MOn4VEAIty72.jpg a different sword], similar to one seen in [http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/2/27/Ganondorf_SSBM.jpg his render for ''Melee''] upon using his down taunt attack.}}

Up to date as of version 3.6 Beta.

! !!Name!!Damage!!Description

!Neutral attack

| || 7% (hand), 8% (body) || Ganondorf does a quick one hit punch with lightning properties.

!Forward tilt

| || 14%/13%/12% (high foot/leg/body), 13%/12%/11% (mid foot/leg/body), 12%/11%/10% (low foot/leg/body) || Ganondorf quickly kicks the opponent with a large force. Can be angled.

!Up tilt

| || 8% (early), 22%/20% (foot/body) || Ganondorf does a very quick stomp on the opponent. Weaker than the original up tilt, but much quicker.

!Down tilt

| || 12% || Ganondorf does a kick to the opponent.

!Dash attack

!Forward smash

| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|24}} (high), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|22}} (mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|20}} (low) || Ganondorf winds up a large amount of darkness and releases it all in one deadly back-handed punch. Resembles the [[Warlock Punch]].

!Up smash

| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|22}} (hit 1), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|19}} (hit 2) ({{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|41}} total) || Ganondorf does a double kick upwards. Deadly knockback, and also the most damaging up smash.

!Down smash

| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|8}} (hit 1), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|12}}/{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}} (hit 2 foot/leg) || Ganondorf kicks around him. The first kick combos into the second kick.

!Neutral aerial

| || 10% (hit 1), 12% (hit 2) || Ganondorf does two mid-air kicks.

!Forward aerial

| || 17% || Ganondorf punches the opponent with deadly force and knockback. Great finisher.

!Back aerial

!Up aerial

| || 12%/13% (clean foot/leg), 10%/12% (mid foot/leg), 6%/8% (late foot/leg) || Ganondorf does a bicycle kick into the air.

!Down aerial

| || 22% || Brings down an electric stomp. The most powerful meteor smash in the game, though unlike Captain Falcon's down aerial, it lacks the [[nipple spike]] hitbox.

!Grab

| || &mdash; || Grabs the opponent.

!Pummel

| || 3% || Ganondorf knees the opponent with a quick speed.

!Forward throw

| || 5% (hit), 8% (throw) (13% total) || Ganondorf punches the opponent forwards.

!Back throw

| || 5% (hit), 4% (throw) (9% total) || Ganondorf does a forceful kick backwards.

!Up throw

| || 4% (hit), 3% (throw) (7% total) || Ganondorf punches the foe upwards into the air.

!Down throw

| || 7% || Ganondorf throws the opponent forcibly on the ground.

!Floor attack (front)

| || 6% || Ganondorf flips himself to kick in the front and back.

!Floor attack (back)

| || 6% || Ganondorf does a spinning double kick.

!Floor attack (trip)

!Edge attack (fast)

| || 10% || Ganondorf gets up with a horizontal left back hand to the opponent.

!Edge attack (slow)

| || 10% || Ganondorf slowly gets up and performs a low kick.

!Down taunt (attack)

| || 24%/31%/33%/35%/37% || If the player holds down the down taunt button, Ganondorf will swing the sword downward after looking at it briefly as it glows purple. Extremely strong knockback equivalent to the old Warlock Punch if opponent is directly in front of him, but it also possesses a very large sourspot during the swing, where it will deal less damage and knockback. Deals more damage towards the tip of the sword at the end of the move.

!Neutral special

| Dead Man's Volley & Drift / Dark Descent || 5% (cape flip) || On the ground, Ganondorf will swing his cape, reflecting projectiles at twice their original speed. Using it once in mid air will make him float, and using it again will make him perform the volley. This is based on a move Ganondorf used in his boss battle in ''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time''.

!Side special

| [[Flame Choke]] || Ground: 12% (hit), 1% (release), Air: 1% (hits 1-6), 7% (release) || On the ground, Ganondorf slides forward stretching his hand. Once the attack connects with an enemy, he puts them up, chokes and releases them onto the ground. In the air, Ganondorf grabs the opponent and slams them into the ground, weakly bouncing them upwards, and as a recovery move it can sweetspot [[ledge]]s. If Ganondorf does the aerial version and lands on and facing the ledge, the grabbed opponent will be meteored just under the stage, but is not powerful enough to KO. If there is no ground, there will be a [[self-destruct]] for both players. Can be used for [[edgehogging]]. The move can fall off edges if used too close to them, but Ganondorf can then grab them and come back to the stage. This can be still be dangerous, though, as he will fall helpless and SD if the edge is ungrabbable.

!Up special

!Down special

!Final Smash

| [[Beast Ganon]] || 10% (grounding), 10% (stomp), 45% (charge) || Ganondorf becomes his beast form, Ganon, and rams into the opponent. Opponents can become [[Buried|stuck in the ground]], or [[Paralyze|paralyzed]] in midair. Usually a [[one-hit KO]].

===Notable players===

*{{Sm|Arty|USA}}

*{{Sm|Darkrain|USA}}

*{{Sm|Hungry Headcrab|USA}}

*{{Sm|Junebug|USA}}

*{{Sm|Kage|Canada}}

*{{Sm|Mr. Brandandorf|USA}}

*{{Sm|n0ne|Canada}}

*{{Sm|Spider Sense|USA}}

*{{Sm|Vex Kasrani|USA}}

Ganondorf has an alternate costume based on his appearance in ''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'' and ''Melee''. This costume also changes the Sword of Sages from ''The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess'' that he pulls out during his down taunt into the sword he is depicted with (but never uses) in ''Melee''.

The set comes with recolors for team battles, as well as a purple recolor; his ''Ocarina of Time'' color scheme was replaced to make room.

|colspan=8|[[Image:Ganondorf Palette (PM).png|frame|center|Ganondorf's alternate costumes in PM]]

*Oddly, whenever the player selects Ganondorf in red or blue Ocarina of Time costumes, the stock icons would be in the wrong place. (The blue costume will use the red stock icon and vice versa.) [https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7zjigzm9gfpkib4/AAB5skS8ALjZHJex9Simv2xMa?dl=0 However, there is a custom patch fix existing for this issue and similar problems.] A similar issue also happens with [[Meta_Knight_(PM)|Meta Knight]]'s Dark and Concept Art costumes. This was fixed in version 3.6.

**The purple Ocarina of Time costume will occasionally show a blue underside of its cape during certain animations.

*[http://projectmgame.com/en/characters/ganondorf Project M character page]