Forum:Removal of Origin Game/Artwork from List of spirits pages: Difference between revisions

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#As Cookies said, it's harmless enough, and provides some interesting info for curious readers. In contrast, the Series Order not only provides less info, but in some cases it's absolutely redundant; several long-running series such as [[List of spirits (The Legend of Zelda series)|Zelda]], [[List of spirits (Yoshi series)|Yoshi]], [[List of spirits (Metal Gear series)|Metal Gear]], [[List of spirits (Sonic the Hedgehog series)|Sonic]], and [[List of spirits (Animal Crossing series)|Animal Crossing]] each list only a single "origin series" for all spirits; surely, that's no less redundant than specifying that all Punch-Out artwork is from the Wii title. In other cases, SmashWiki does go directly against what the games actually say in the interest of providing more precise information; <s>for example, ''SSBU'' merely says that the {{SSBUMusicLink|Star Fox|Star Wolf}} theme is from ''Star Fox 64'' (where the theme originated), but SmashWiki says this track comes from ''Star Fox Assault'' instead (where this specific remix is directly ported from).</s> I don't see why we can't do the same for spirits, as we already have been doing. I certainly wouldn't be against combining "game/artwork origins" and "series" into a single table, but I do feel we'd be losing something if we cut the former out entirely. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 15:57, March 23, 2020 (EDT)
#As Cookies said, it's harmless enough, and provides some interesting info for curious readers. In contrast, the Series Order not only provides less info, but in some cases it's absolutely redundant; several long-running series such as [[List of spirits (The Legend of Zelda series)|Zelda]], [[List of spirits (Yoshi series)|Yoshi]], [[List of spirits (Metal Gear series)|Metal Gear]], [[List of spirits (Sonic the Hedgehog series)|Sonic]], and [[List of spirits (Animal Crossing series)|Animal Crossing]] each list only a single "origin series" for all spirits; surely, that's no less redundant than specifying that all Punch-Out artwork is from the Wii title. In other cases, SmashWiki does go directly against what the games actually say in the interest of providing more precise information; <s>for example, ''SSBU'' merely says that the {{SSBUMusicLink|Star Fox|Star Wolf}} theme is from ''Star Fox 64'' (where the theme originated), but SmashWiki says this track comes from ''Star Fox Assault'' instead (where this specific remix is directly ported from).</s> I don't see why we can't do the same for spirits, as we already have been doing. I certainly wouldn't be against combining "game/artwork origins" and "series" into a single table, but I do feel we'd be losing something if we cut the former out entirely. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 15:57, March 23, 2020 (EDT)
:::While my previous Star Wolf example was incorrect, here is a better example: ''Ultimate'' does not provide the sources of the ''Dragon Quest'' music, most egregiously claiming that the ''Dragon Quest XI'' music is from the Definitive Edition, while SmashWiki does correctly provide the sources of the sequenced music tracks used in ''Ultimate''. Furthermore, SmashWiki in general is full of "origin game" information that isn't present in ''Smash'' (for example, [[Template:Infobox Character General|character infoboxes]] include trivial facts such as debut game, debut console, species, creator, designer, etc.), so I don't see why providing a little bit of extra information should be held against spirits.
:::While my previous Star Wolf example was incorrect, here is a better example: ''Ultimate'' does not provide the sources of the ''Dragon Quest'' music, most egregiously claiming that the ''Dragon Quest XI'' music is from the Definitive Edition, while SmashWiki does correctly provide the sources of the sequenced music tracks used in ''Ultimate''. Furthermore, SmashWiki in general is full of "origin game" information that isn't present in ''Smash'' (for example, [[Template:Infobox Character General|character infoboxes]] include trivial facts such as debut game, debut console, species, creator, designer, etc.), so I don't see why providing a little bit of extra information should be held against spirits.
#Even though some fighters dont have origin artwork ([[Cloud]]), that also doesnt mean we need to remove origin artwork from the list of spirits page. I agree to what both PeabodySam, and Cookies and Creme in this discussion mainly. [[User:S3AHAWK|S3AHAWK]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|talk]]) 15:11, April 24, 2020 (EDT)
#Even though some [[Pokemon Trainer|fighters]] [[Robin|dont]] [[Wii Fit Trainer| have]] [[Mii|origin]] [[Cloud|artwork]], that also doesnt mean we need to remove origin artwork from the list of spirits page. I agree to what both PeabodySam, and Cookies and Creme in this discussion mainly. [[User:S3AHAWK|S3AHAWK]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|talk]]) 15:11, April 24, 2020 (EDT)


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#I'm neutral on this, though I lean toward keeping it. I wouldn't be torn up if it were removed, but I don't see the need to remove it either. The "series" listing is vague and at times [[List of spirits (Super Mario series)#Trivia|inaccurate]], and it is still useful and interesting information to have, not necessarily superfluous. I do agree something needs to be done about the clunky "series order" sections, so if this is the solution I can see the case for it. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 18:57, March 16, 2020 (EDT)
#I'm neutral on this, though I lean toward keeping it. I wouldn't be torn up if it were removed, but I don't see the need to remove it either. The "series" listing is vague and at times [[List of spirits (Super Mario series)#Trivia|inaccurate]], and it is still useful and interesting information to have, not necessarily superfluous. I do agree something needs to be done about the clunky "series order" sections, so if this is the solution I can see the case for it. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 18:57, March 16, 2020 (EDT)
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