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 ::::But those are the debuts of the characters. This wiki should note them because they're relevant pieces of information and the wiki would be incomplete without them. As a virtual encyclopedia, a wiki is the place where it's appropriate to be pedantic. [[User:ThisIsNotACryForHelp|ThisIsNotACryForHelp]] ([[User talk:ThisIsNotACryForHelp|talk]]) 20:05, January 13, 2021 (EST)
 :::::Let's be clear. If somebody (somehow) didn't know what game Cloud was from, the infobox should immediately tell them "Final Fantasy VII, 1997". To go for the "well, actually" answer of a demo technically extant before FF7's retail release serves no purpose other than to muddy the waters on what is an otherwise self-obvious piece of information. You might personally find that demo's existence meaningful for this context, but I think it's thoroughly unnecessary to try and shoehorn a reference to it into the infobox. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:08, January 13, 2021 (EST)
+::::::It in no way would have to be "shoehorned" into the infobox. There is a widely used term for this kind of information, and it's, "technical debut." It would in no way detract from the fact that the release of Final Fantasy VII in 1997 was his official debut in a video game. It's simply a little-known piece of information that should be brought to light. It in no way would muddy the waters other than to state a fact: Cloud Strife was playable on the PlayStation nearly half a year before the full release of his debut game. That is indisputable and should be documented here. [[User:ThisIsNotACryForHelp|ThisIsNotACryForHelp]] ([[User talk:ThisIsNotACryForHelp|talk]]) 21:26, January 13, 2021 (EST)
 I honestly don't consider demos full-fledged video games since they only exist to give players a taste as what the actual game would be like and build up the hype. For that reason, I don't believe any demos should be listed in the infoboxes. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 20:30, January 13, 2021 (EST)
 :To say that Cloud technically debuted in the demo of FFVII would be the same as trying to legitimately argue for Mike Wazowski's inclusion in Smash due to debuting in a [[wikipedia:Monsters, Inc. (video game)|video game]] before a [[wikipedia:Monsters, Inc.|movie]]. While I am not against noting a character appearing in another game before their most known/intended debut (including Luigi in G&W Mario Bros. and Sonic in Rad Mobile), that would require the character appearing in another game that was fully released before the initial debut. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 20:56, January 13, 2021 (EST)
+::The Mike Wazowski argument is incongruous to Cloud's situation. Cloud is already in Smash and, therefore, has a place on this wiki. Cloud's appearance in the demo is a piece of his history and should be noted. [[User:ThisIsNotACryForHelp|ThisIsNotACryForHelp]] ([[User talk:ThisIsNotACryForHelp|talk]]) 21:26, January 13, 2021 (EST)